Bledsoe or McNabb?

[CowboyManDan]

I'd take McNabb in a heartbeat.

 

[iceberg]

i voted mcnabb - why? lots of reasons, i suppose. first i thought i was kinda a silly question to ask cowboy fans. it's like asking someone if you want free pie and chips.

of course i want free pie and chips. that's pie, and chips, for free!

in the end you more or less *know* what the answer will be and the vast majority voting in the minority won't change their mind in the end - but man alive we can sure push words, ideas, thoughts - out to some unparalleled places by using our own interpretation on someone elses words and not realizing it could well be different.

all that said - i did it cause i wouldn't want *either* as my qb. gimme eli manning, carson palmer - gimme a "young gun" who still thinks they can't get hurt in life. (ok, ben may not fit this anymore) but i'm into the cowboys for the "long haul" and have been rewarded quite a bit in history simply because that's how the cowboys have *almost* always built up their team.

find a franchise qb, pay the man, build and go.

it's when we dink around with the pelluers, hogebooms, sweeney's of yesterday and hutch, carter, romo and hensons today - that we get mired in a quagmire none of us like for our own reasons and points of view.

but i can't ever recall at any point in the cowboys history (only been actively watching since 1976) where we brought in an aged vet to make a quick push and built around that.

hence my overall frustration isn't with bledsoe as a player, but a direction the team is taking. a "load up the shotgun, lets see what we hit" approach. i hate it and i don't even think we're doing it right because we have too many question marks on the line for our qb of choice. sure "if this" or "should be" and "he's bigger" are all wonderful forum fodder but regardless of the final outcome *as of today* they are still question marks. bentley or hutch would *not* be a question mark as they're proven. could they still fail - sure. but not as likely.

and this is what i keep getting told about parcells and his draft picks - picked where they are cause of a greater chance for success.

great - then hutch/bentley would be a greater chance for success than the suddenly everyone had to have him but only after we took him kosier.

yet even that argument gets twisted to the positive by fans vs. just takings things as they are in reality.

all this is to simply say who's the better qb of *these* two?

bledsoe - not even close.

but asking me what i want from two things i don't want really isn't a viable question all around, so i'll take moving up after this year to somehow get a franchise qb we can build around when bp decides to quit completely overhauling defenses while he merely changes the oil on the offense and retires.

again.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That sounds good to me.

I guess I'm as guilty of anyone of getting worked up sometime.

To answer your question, I honestly feel that Bledsoe is better. Not from a sheer numbers standpoint, but because of the intangible stuff I mentioned. I feel that this team has the pieces in place to win a championship and I feel McNabb is a guy who'll never win the big game.

I can't say that Bledsoe will but I feel even more confident that McNabb won't.

He's one of those Marino, Manning, Culpepper types. They put up great regular season "numbers", but come up small when it really counts.

Not saying it's the right way to see things, just that it's the way I see it.

Well, I must say, I'm surprised. My hat is off to you Stash. You have come out and put your best foot forward. You have articulated your position in a way that, at least, can be discussed and defended.

I like Bledsoe as a person. I loved him when he was younger. When he was younger, I'm pretty sure I would have probably taken him over McNabb now. Unfortunatly, time catches up to all of us. I do believe that McNabb is as dangerous a QB as there is in the league when he breaks containment. When he can do this, it puts the maximum amount of pressure on a defense and he is exceptional at breaking big plays. I don't view McNabb as a great leader but I also have questions about Bledsoe and his ability to move past his physical limitations. Bledsoe has problems getting out of the way of a good pass rush. McNabb is a huge plus where this is concerned. I don't love McNabbs arm. I don't think it's elite but I do believe it's adequate. Same with his accuracy. However, he doesn't throw many INTs His TO to TD ratio is much better then Bledsoe's. His numbers, across the board are probably superior to Bledsoe's, at this point in each players career. To me, keeping your team in positive position is key to QB play. Things like avoiding Fumbles and Ints, negative plays such as sacks and being able to turn bad plays into positive plays are huge. You not only help your offense but you help your defense with field position. Just as important IMO. I just see McNabb as a player who does this very well. I don't like him but I respect his ability.

That is how I see this.

 

[CowboyManDan]

all that said - i did it cause i wouldn't want *either* as my qb. gimme eli manning, carson palmer - gimme a "young gun" who still thinks they can't get hurt in life. (ok, ben may not fit this anymore) but i'm into the cowboys for the "long haul" and have been rewarded quite a bit in history simply because that's how the cowboys have *almost* always built up their team.

find a franchise qb, pay the man, build and go.

it's when we dink around with the pelluers, hogebooms, sweeney's of yesterday and hutch, carter, romo and hensons today - that we get mired in a quagmire none of us like for our own reasons and points of view.

but i can't ever recall at any point in the cowboys history (only been actively watching since 1976) where we brought in an aged vet to make a quick push and built around that.

hence my overall frustration isn't with bledsoe as a player, but a direction the team is taking. a "load up the shotgun, lets see what we hit" approach. i hate it and i don't even think we're doing it right because we have too many question marks on the line for our qb of choice.

Amen, I've been right there with you for a while. It is frustrating for fans like us who feel this way about building a long-term winning team.

 

[Stash]

Well, I must say, I'm surprised. My hat is off to you Stash. You have come out and put your best foot forward. You have articulated your position in a way that, at least, can be discussed and defended.

I like Bledsoe as a person. I loved him when he was younger. When he was younger, I'm pretty sure I would have probably taken him over McNabb now. Unfortunatly, time catches up to all of us. I do believe that McNabb is as dangerous a QB as there is in the league when he breaks containment. When he can do this, it puts the maximum amount of pressure on a defense and he is exceptional at breaking big plays. I don't view McNabb as a great leader but I also have questions about Bledsoe and his ability to move past his physical limitations. Bledsoe has problems getting out of the way of a good pass rush. McNabb is a huge plus where this is concerned. I don't love McNabbs arm. I don't think it's elite but I do believe it's adequate. Same with his accuracy. However, he doesn't throw many INTs His TO to TD ratio is much better then Bledsoe's. His numbers, across the board are probably superior to Bledsoe's, at this point in each players career. To me, keeping your team in positive position is key to QB play. Things like avoiding Fumbles and Ints, negative plays such as sacks and being able to turn bad plays into positive plays are huge. You not only help your offense but you help your defense with field position. Just as important IMO. I just see McNabb as a player who does this very well. I don't like him but I respect his ability.

That is how I see this.

Wow, the two of us having a civil "conversation".....

Whouda thunk it..........

I see your points and when it comes down to it, I guess it depends on a personal preference.

I thought Bledsoe did a great job for the Cowboys last year. Especially as a first year starter in Dallas and then having the offensive line issues. I think he's part of the solution and not the problem and I look forward to seeing what he can do with an even better supporting cast.

And I've always had a preference for pocket passers over scramblers as well.

 

[kartr]

My guess is that Bill Parcells poll would have a check mark by Bledsoe.

That's why we're in trouble now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wow, the two of us having a civil "conversation".....

Whouda thunk it..........

I see your points and when it comes down to it, I guess it depends on a personal preference.

I thought Bledsoe did a great job for the Cowboys last year. Especially as a first year starter in Dallas and then having the offensive line issues. I think he's part of the solution and not the problem and I look forward to seeing what he can do with an even better supporting cast.

And I've always had a preference for pocket passers over scramblers as well.

Hope for us all maybe.

No hard feeling on my part. Just another day on the board.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Wow. That took me by surprise. Continue to show your amazing intellect. I'm sure you make all the other Boyz fans proud.

How about another dog pissing on skins helmet smilie for me, homer. Seems to be your only contribution to this board, ever.

I'm not a Skinz fan, and I know how you feel. Especially when you're trying to make a valid point and someone makes an unnecessary gesture using iconic expressions.

I've "dialogued" with the poster you're talking about, and he is fully capable of using intelligent football saavy. But he can be very quick to protect his fandom at the expense of an opponent fan. He's turning out to be something that I really didn't expect and I'll probably re-evaluate my opinion of him.

But the good news is that the majority here do not get involved with the likes of his style of communication.

Personally, I'd like to have just a few "harmless" icons that counter that type of expression. Of course it would be generic to a franchise; therefore anyone can use. Here's an example ...this is a celebration after the first TD the Eagles will score against Dallas in October 2006 ...

http://img205.*************/img205/1290/jeffersons8sn.gifhttp://img205.*************/img205/1290/jeffersons8sn.gif

It"s harmless and it is not insulting anyone ...and anyone can use it!
Perhaps it's not the panacea even if the icons were used in defense. You may have to come to the realization that we are vulnerable to those type of expressions on an opponents home board ...but admittedly, I've seen much much worse.

 

[Stash]

Hope for us all maybe.

No hard feeling on my part. Just another day on the board.

None on my part either!

:beer2:

 

[Vintage]

I am surprised its 100-80 to be honest....

 

[5Stars]

I'm not a Skinz fan, and I know how you feel. Especially when you're trying to make a valid point and someone makes an unnecessary gesture using iconic expressions.

I've "dialogued" with the poster you're talking about, and he is fully capable of using intelligent football saavy. But he can be very quick to protect his fandom at the expense of an opponent fan. He's turning out to be something that I really didn't expect and I'll probably re-evaluate my opinion of him.

But the good news is that the majority here do not get involved with the likes of his style of communication.

Personally, I'd like to have just a few "harmless" icons that counter that type of expression. Of course it would be generic to a franchise; therefore anyone can use.

Perhaps it's not the panacea even if the icons were used in defense. You may have to come to the realization that we are vulnerable to those type of expressions on an opponents home board ...but admittedly, I've seen much much worse.

:cry: That, that, that brought a tear to my eyes, PT!

Hey, I HAVE to communicate that way when it comes to a RedStink...because if I typed what I really feel like saying, they would not just ban me from this board, they would probably call Al Gore and have me banned from the whole internet!

Like I said before, I like you because you have been here through thick and thin...and you take a lot of flack...but you take it good...whereas these RedStinks show up after 8 years because they won a few game this past season? They come here with their little chest poking out? AND, when I ask them, "where have you been the past 8 years"?...they NEVER ANSWER!



:dissskin:

That's why me and my dog, Gibbs, dispise them!!

 

[dallasblue05]

I think anyone who trtuely believes bledsoe is better than mcnabb is in homer denail. Come on guys, McNabb is way more of a complete QB then Bledsoe is. A large part of being a great QB is avoiding the sack, wether you can run fast or just evade well. McNabb can do both of those while bledsoe can do neither. Sure he's got a great arm and is very intelligent, and is the best thing we've had since aikman, but you've got to realize that a healthy mcnabb would both pass and run all over a healthy bledsoe any day of the week. I hate to say it like that but tis true.

 

[CowboysFan02]

Bledsoe, he may be old and not have a lot left in the tank. But he can handle pressure better then McNabb. So I would rather have a player that can handle/step up in the pressure big games, then one who chokes and gets dry heaves in big games. So Bledsoe it is.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

That, that, that brought a tear to my eyes ..

There, there ...it's going to be ok.

Hey, I HAVE to communicate that way when it comes to a RedStink...because if I typed what I really feel like saying, they would not just ban me from this board, they would probably call Al Gore and have me banned from the whole internet!

Actually, I Know what you mean ...I feel like letting loose with some things also, but it wouldn't be fair to the other sensible posters.

That's why me and my dog, Gibbs, dispise them!!

Sometimes the dog does bite the hand that feeds them!

 

[iceberg]

I think anyone who trtuely believes bledsoe is better than mcnabb is in homer denail. Come on guys, McNabb is way more of a complete QB then Bledsoe is. A large part of being a great QB is avoiding the sack, wether you can run fast or just evade well. McNabb can do both of those while bledsoe can do neither. Sure he's got a great arm and is very intelligent, and is the best thing we've had since aikman, but you've got to realize that a healthy mcnabb would both pass and run all over a healthy bledsoe any day of the week. I hate to say it like that but tis true.

um...i've given bledsoe the nod and most, if not all in here will tell you, i've not given him credit for much of anything so far - so this "you're a homer if you don't see like me!" crap just doesn't fly far.

well, unless you throw it into the backside of a big fan.

it's also funny to see people follow up SPECULATION with "tis true!!!" and "bank on it!" as if their crystal ball works better than anothers.

 

[Stash]

I think anyone who trtuely believes bledsoe is better than mcnabb is in homer denail. Come on guys, McNabb is way more of a complete QB then Bledsoe is. A large part of being a great QB is avoiding the sack, wether you can run fast or just evade well. McNabb can do both of those while bledsoe can do neither. Sure he's got a great arm and is very intelligent, and is the best thing we've had since aikman, but you've got to realize that a healthy mcnabb would both pass and run all over a healthy bledsoe any day of the week. I hate to say it like that but tis true.

What about the fact that McNabb has choked in every big game he's ever played?

That counts big for me and some others.

It's great to have regular season numbers and the mobility factor is nice, but what good is it when you blow it in the big game all the time?

 

[dallasblue05]

What about the fact that McNabb has choked in every big game he's ever played?

That counts big for me and some others.

It's great to have regular season numbers and the mobility factor is nice, but what good is it when you blow it in the big game all the time?

You do have a point but if we are talking overall talent and skill, McNabb is the guy. Not to mention its a team game and the SB is really the only game I've seen McNabb play where HE chocked. Those 3 NFCC games, you cant put them all on him........

as for the homer comment, maybe it was a little blunt for what I meant, but the message behind the message is that McNabb is clearly the better pick between the 2, and here's why:

McNabb career stats- 1718 comp/2943 att for 19433yds-58.4 comp%-134 td-166 int-84.1 rating
avg td/int- 16.75/8.25

Bledsoe career stats- 3749 comp/6548 att for 43447yds-57.3 comp%-244 td-198 int-77.3 rating
avg td/int- 17.43/14.14

there are the numbers, and they favor Donovan in almost every category. Total yards Drew has him by about 600 perr season (avg) but overall Donovan is clearly the better QB.

 

[CowboysFan02]

I think anyone who trtuely believes bledsoe is better than mcnabb is in homer denail. Come on guys, McNabb is way more of a complete QB then Bledsoe is. A large part of being a great QB is avoiding the sack, wether you can run fast or just evade well. McNabb can do both of those while bledsoe can do neither. Sure he's got a great arm and is very intelligent, and is the best thing we've had since aikman, but you've got to realize that a healthy mcnabb would both pass and run all over a healthy bledsoe any day of the week. I hate to say it like that but tis true.

Yes McNabb may be a more overall skilled QB, but like I and many others have pointed out pure skill is not all there is to a QB.

You must be a: Leader, good team mate through thick and thin, be able to take the heat, and be able to rise to the occasion when the chips are on the table.(All this aside from the skills needed to be a NFL-level QB)

Look at good ole' number 8, he was at his best in the playoffs, when things REALLY counted when it was do or die that is when he stepped up his game. And untill McNabb does that, and he hasn't, he has gotten his team there but has not stepped up his game when the chips were on the table.

 

[Stash]

You do have a point but if we are talking overall talent and skill, McNabb is the guy. Not to mention its a team game and the SB is really the only game I've seen McNabb play where HE chocked. Those 3 NFCC games, you cant put them all on him........

as for the homer comment, maybe it was a little blunt for what I meant, but the message behind the message is that McNabb is clearly the better pick between the 2, but again its my opinion and thats why we are here, to share our opinions.

Maybe the message should be that McNabb would be your choice.

"Clearly the better pick" is far from accurate.

 

[dallasblue05]

Maybe the message should be that McNabb would be your choice.

"Clearly the better pick" is far from accurate.

not if you look at numbers.......which are a direct reflection of performance.