Bob Papa: Burress Is “Deathly Afraid” Of Going To Jail

[Ren]

It's an African name meaning "Peaceful"

in that case i take back my previous post :laugh2:

 

[Seven]

I cut myself shaving this morning, I am clearly a threat to society.

Do they make semi-automatic razors that could penetrate several human beings from 50 yards?

Your lame attempt at a 'like' sceneario using a daily act of hygeine is propsterous. Let's use getting run over by an ambulance.

It's not as cut and dry as you make it.

What did I make 'cut and dry'? Seemed almost complicated. We had 'illegal weapons', 'illegally controlled weapons' and my personal favorites; the confusion between 'registration of a weapon' and the 'carrying of a concealed weapon', legally.

Your politics make it so you can't see my point.

You induced the political aspect here because folks like you don't understand the gray areas of a given subject and choose to hang your hat on 'politics' cause it's vast and very confusing. And your correct. 'Cept for the part of actually understanding the truth's about it and accepting what is acceptable and what is not..........concerning weapons. NOT Plaxico.

BTW - I take offense to you making it "my" politics. I don't make the laws I, unlike Plaxico and other half-wits who think all issues are solved by shooting, abide by what is on the books. STARTING with and UNDERSTANDING the 2nd ammendment.

I see yours, and I agree to a certain extent, but each circumstance is different. Each person is different.

True enough. There inlies the 'real' issue. You don't fix that with legislation.

I want something constructive out of plax's mistakes, you don't, you want him in jail and are cool with it because the law is the law.

SHOW ME where I once stated I wanted Plaxico in jail. SHOW ME. I'm pro-gun. If anything, I want him jailed for being a complete and total jack-***.

I don't and won't ever share your beliefs, but I am more than willing to discuss my own, and I bet I don't talk down to you in the process of doing so.

I did not talk down to you. I stated what is on the books and where the confusion lies on this particular subject. No beliefs on my part. Facts. In life..........we have those.

 

[Four]

It's an African name meaning "Peaceful"

meh. African americans don't exist to me.

we are all americans, all I see.

wow, you said african before didn't you? man that makes me look racist.

I love every body, hope I didn't get anyone twisted.

 

[Four]

Do they make semi-automatic razors that could penetrate several human beings from 50 yards?

Your lame attempt at a 'like' sceneario using a daily act of hygeine is propsterous. Let's use getting run over by an ambulance.




What did I make 'cut and dry'? Seemed almost complicated. We had 'illegal weapons', 'illegally controlled weapons' and my personal favorites; the confusion between 'registration of a weapon' and the 'carrying of a concealed weapon', legally.




You induced the political aspect here because folks like you don't understand the gray areas of a given subject and choose to hang your hat on 'politics' cause it's vast and very confusing. And your correct. 'Cept for the part of actually understanding the truth's about it and accepting what is acceptable and what is not..........concerning weapons. NOT Plaxico.

BTW - I take offense to you making it "my" politics. I don't make the laws I, unlike Plaxico and other half-wits who think all issues are solved by shooting, abide by what is on the books. STARTING with and UNDERSTANDING the 2nd ammendment.




True enough. There inlies the 'real' issue. You don't fix that with legislation.




SHOW ME where I once stated I wanted Plaxico in jail. SHOW ME. I'm pro-gun. If anything, I want him jailed for being a complete and total jack-***.




I did not talk down to you. I stated what is on the books and where the confusion lies on this particular subject. No beliefs on my part. Facts. In life..........we have those.

honestly, I am tired of arguing this.

I can't change your minds, all I wanted was to put my views out there, didn't expect the fallout.

I can't make sense to you guys, makes me sad, but I can't change it.

 

[Seven]

If I remember right he commited the cardinal sin of trying to catch the gun as it was falling from his waistband. Finger hits trigger (glock no external safety), gun goes off. Never try and catch a falling gun.

Just for kicks let say NYC allowed everybody (instead of just the criminals) to carry. Maybe then the weapon would have been carried in an appropriate holster instead of being snuck in ghetto style.

No external safety? BS. So what. Was a round chambered? If so it would HAVE to be cocked in order for it to fire. If there was no round chambered a minor miracle occured in ' the fall'......... he grabbed the weapon via the slide mechanism on the way down, chambered a round, grabbed it by the grips with finger on trigger and THEN shot himself. Nice. He has himself one kick-*** gunsmith getting that slide to work like that and all. The Navy seals need to contact this guy.

There are de-cockers (external safties) on every current semi-automatic handgun made from the early 90's to prevent just such a sceneario as you've described. There have been re-calls on weapons for this very issue as well. They fix 'em for free because it's manufactured to not do what you've just described.

Good greif. I thought Plaxico was bad................You two need to sit down and watch Eddie the Eagle. Take notes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think this thread has run it's course

 

[Seven]

honestly, I am tired of arguing this.

I can't change your minds, all I wanted was to put my views out there, didn't expect the fallout.

I can't make sense to you guys, makes me sad, but I can't change it.

I blind-sided you with attempting to clear up the confusion of the original charge. I understand your confusion with being hit from all sides and only 'truly' disagreed with your "drugs only hurting the ones who use" statement.

You're fine. We all have our opinions and yours is just as welcome as any other. A smidge off course as it may be but who's to say mine isn't. Which I didn't share, BTW.

 

[JonJon]

dude, he was scared of getting killed, his teamate was just robbed at gun point by his limo driver.

he did it because he was scared, not because he thought he was above the law.

for the love of octopus, be logical about it and stop putting some bias to it because you don't like celebs.

Simple solution: Stay at home. Go somewhere safe. It's not like Burress lives in the hood and needs constant protection. He chose to go out to a club, chose to break the law and carry an illegal weapon, and shot his own self in the leg. He broke the law on his own accord. Nobody forced him to do it, therefor he deserves to be punished.

in a fairy tale world we are all equal, but in the real world we aren't.

using burress to positively impact kids lives is far more valuable than putting him in a cell.

his celebrity can contribute to the greater good.

I don't get how you don't see it.

He can't even take responsibility for his own actions. He doesn't even think he did anything wrong. How in the world is he going to help impact kids??? I definitly don't want this idiot teaching my kids ANYTHING.

I feel him though. In Rykers Island they will tear his *** up. The Island is were the real criminals are.

He has two choices: Get is *** tore up for 2 months or get his *** tore up for 3.5 years... Hmmmm that choice should be easy, yet he is too dumb to take the easier route.

so you think he isn't a role model huh?

you think kids in the ghetto aren't watching what they do to him and thinking that "the man" is to blame.

he is a role model, it's how it works with society, rich black man that made it, easy to eat that up for poor kids.

government trying to bring him down

this doesn't play well in the hood, I live there, I should know.

Puhlease....he isn't a role model. And don't use that lame government holding him down excuse. He is a VERY fortunate physically talented individual that RUINED his own career by making dumb decisions and breaking the law. Why would someone want to look up to a fool like him? Barack Obama is a role model; Tyler Perry is a role model...this guy was living in his car at one point in his life but now owns a multi-million dollar home and a very prosperous career that is continuously growing due to a dream and hard work. That's who I want my kids looking up to, not some clown that shoots his own self in a crowded club.

That guy could turn a bunch of kids' lives around just by telling them how stupid he was.

Kids don't need him to tell them he was stupid. Everyone can figure that out on their own just by looking at him. The only lesson they would learn is to not be stupid and shoot yourself like Plaxico did. The more harmful lesson that I would'nt want kids to learn is that you can get special treatment by the law as long as you are rich and famous. You want real help for children? Try the United Way program. Hundreds of athletes volunteer their time to enrich the lives of children and don't have to break laws to do it.

 

[Vtwin]

I never said that all states require registration. Show me where I said that. I'll eat it. I live in a state that doesn't require it.

Secondly you may carry your weapon in plain sight just about anywhere U.S.A. Excluding government buildings and where the proprieter(sp?) ask you not to.(You could push the latter). i.e. holster. "Concealed" ANYWHERE without a CCW is ILLEGAL. Period. You need to do your homework.

Just because you own a handgun doesn't impress me as to your knowledge. Or in this case the lack thereof.

Both of these statements are absolutely not true.

Vermont is one of a few states that have no restrictions on concealed carry at all.

Check it out. It's a fact. No CCW required.

I hope your not a cop or a teacher.

 

[Vtwin]

No external safety? BS. So what. Was a round chambered? If so it would HAVE to be cocked in order for it to fire. If there was no round chambered a minor miracle occured in ' the fall'......... he grabbed the weapon via the slide mechanism on the way down, chambered a round, grabbed it by the grips with finger on trigger and THEN shot himself. Nice. He has himself one kick-*** gunsmith getting that slide to work like that and all. The Navy seals need to contact this guy.

There are de-cockers (external safties) on every current semi-automatic handgun made from the early 90's to prevent just such a sceneario as you've described. There have been re-calls on weapons for this very issue as well. They fix 'em for free because it's manufactured to not do what you've just described.

Good greif. I thought Plaxico was bad................You two need to sit down and watch Eddie the Eagle. Take notes.

WOW

You REALLY don't have a clue do you.

Burress was carrying a .40 caliber Glock.

Glocks have three INTERNAL safetys to ensure the weapons does not fire if dropped. There is NO DE-COCKER or EXTERNAL safety on a Glock. The most accepted way to carry a semi-auto handgun is with a round in the chamber. 1911 style semi-autos have an external safety (and hammer) and are carried with one in the chamber and the safety on. Glocks are typically carried with one in the chamber and in a holster designed so that there are no straps etc that can catch on the trigger when deholstering.

This is why you don't try and catch a falling gun, ESPECIALLY a Glock because if you pull the trigger on a loaded Glock it will fire. Which is EXACTLY what happend to Burress.

I have five semi-auto handguns. Two have no external manually operated safety or decocker, one of those is a Glock. The other three have external manually operated safetys but only the Sig-Sauer has a de-cocker.

I can give you a few links if you want to educate yourself. Might save you from further embarrassment.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Giants are not going to be the same team without him. He may be an idiot but he was a pain in our ***.

 

[Four]

I blind-sided you with attempting to clear up the confusion of the original charge. I understand your confusion with being hit from all sides and only 'truly' disagreed with your "drugs only hurting the ones who use" statement.

You're fine. We all have our opinions and yours is just as welcome as any other. A smidge off course as it may be but who's to say mine isn't. Which I didn't share, BTW.

I almost feel like I just got an e-hug.

e-hugs back at you.

 

[Four]

by the way, Am i the only one who wished david buehler was in that night club?

he could have stopped this.

 

[Sarge]

Giants are not going to be the same team without him. He may be an idiot but he was a pain in our ***.

Yep - he was a top 6-8 WR in the league.

 

[jobberone]

Both of these statements are absolutely not true.

Vermont is one of a few states that have no restrictions on concealed carry at all.

Check it out. It's a fact. No CCW required.

I hope your not a cop or a teacher.

It appears Vermont does require a CCW but like a lot of other states it has a must issue law. You can only be refused if you fail either a quick test or closer inspection background test.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I am deathly afraid of being around idiots like Burress who carry guns in their clothing and endanger the public.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I think this thread has run it's course

You've run your course as well.

And tell that wannabe Texan Chuck Norris that he is not a Texan and will never be one, so knock off the Texan act.
You too.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Go Cowboys.

 

[Ren]

The point is that ingorant anti-gun laws do absolutley nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

I don't think I can make it any simpler then that for you.

The fact that Plax had an accident pretty much proves that these "ignorant" laws are there for a reason.

Your point is just as dumb now is it was the first time and still sounds the same

 

[JoeyBones31]

Posted by Mike Florio on May 28, 2009, 11:14 a.m.

We’ve been hearing for weeks now that former Giants receiver Plaxico Burress flatly has rejected opportunities to resolve criminal charges that could put him away for a minimum of 3.5 years, even though Burress would do far less time by pleading guilty to a lesser charge.

Bob Papa, the radio play-by-play announcer for the Giants and one of the hosts of Sirius NFL Radio’s The Opening Drive, elaborated on the situation today.

“This is what I’ve been told and what I’ve heard,” Papa said on the air. “They worked out something where they had it down to about a three-month jail term with actually only two months served and about 1,500 hours of community service. And I think his lawyers felt that they had a pretty good deal. He doesn’t want to go to jail at all. He shot down the deal. . . . He does not want to go to jail at all. So now coming up in another couple of weeks we’re gonna find out what’s gonna happen. But my guess is that the city of New York is not gonna back off any kind of jail time.

“Evidently, he’s gonna have to go to Ryker’s Island,” Papa added. “He’s deathly afraid of going. . . . f he would have just taken the deal when it originally was offered it would all be over with by now. But supposedly the community service hours and the jail time are not appealing to him. He does not understand that he is not in any kind of position of leverage. He has no leverage. He — not his representatives — he thinks he has leverage.”

Papa is right on the money. No one wants to go to jail. But when Door Number One entails two months and Door Number Two most likely will slide open to reveal a minimum of 39 42 months, the decision should be easy.

Then again, nothing is ever easy when it comes to Plaxico Burress.

Apparently, he thinks that lawyer Benjamin Brafman will be able to do for him what Brafman did for Sean P. Diddy Puff Daddy Puffy Hufflepuff Bo Diddley Combs, securing an acquittal on identical charges.

But there are two key differences between the two cases. For Combs, the unlicensed and loaded weapon that he allegedly had in his possession didn’t fire. More importantly, Brafman destroyed on cross examination the witnesses who claimed that Combs pointed a gun at them.

For Burress, Exhibit A is the scar from where the bullet entered his leg. Exhibit B is the scar from where it exited. Add a dash of testimony from folks like former teammate Antonio Pierce who’ll confirm that the scars were obtained when a gun in Plax’s possession went off inside a Manhattan night club, and no amount of legal hocus pocus or mumbo jumbo or Chewbacca defenses will keep a reasonable jury from concluding that Burress is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

In America, our inalienable rights include the right to irrevocably screw up our lives. Unless someone can talk some sense into Burress soon, he’s about to provide a high-profile manifestation of that right.