jazzcat22
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The Zeke Contract is looking worse and worse to me.
Why?
McCarthy is smart enough to know what he has and will utilize him.
The Zeke Contract is looking worse and worse to me.
If it’s McCarthy year 1 or 2 I agree with him. If it’s McCarthy year 12 or 13 like it was Garrett year 10 I’m not so sure. It’s probably not a fair comparison TBH. McCarthy got 4 wins in 12 games with a team that a first year coach just went 13-3 with. I think McCarthy’s 2018 was as bad or worse of an effort as Garrett’s 2019.
I think we’ll get more bang for our buck now out of Zeke. McCarthy’s offense features a lot more swing passes and screens and backs running routes than did Garrett’s. Zeke will get the ball a lot more in open field now and that is a good thing.
Not to beat a dead-horse, but... I don't think the issue is getting the real "Zeke" back. It is more an issue of his contract. Regardless what Zeke brings, it is still hard to rationalize that size of a contract for what amounts to a completely fungible asset... RB.perhaps for now
I think a real HC can get the real Zeke back and there are no better security blankets fir a QB than a great RB and a great TE
Why?
McCarthy is smart enough to know what he has and will utilize him.
Based on what? McCarthy has never ever run an Offense that relied on the running game to control the Offense. He's never run a balanced Offense. He's used it in certain situations but not as the staple of the Offense. The passing game has always been featured, rather then the run game so what proof is there that he will do as you suggest and "utiltize him" in a way that justifies the actual contract costs?
The WCO in general relies more on backs in the passing game, multiple TEs in the passing game, less on running the ball in a traditional balanced ball control Offense. What it does is it allows you to use the pass in place of the run game but what it doesn't do it wear down the opposing Offense with a physical style in the run game.
It may or may not be a good thing, that remains to be seen but the post is about the contract. I've said this a few times already. This is not about if we get production out of the run game or not. It's about how much we paid Zeke and IMO, the Zeke deal is looking worse running McCarthy's Offense. We are paying Zeke to lead the league in rushing year in year out, or at least be in the top two or three in the league. The reason, we were told, for paying him was the shortened career because of the physical style of play and the beating he would take. Now, if we are no longer running that style of Offense, if Zeke is not in contention for the rushing title year in, year out, then the contract is not worth the money we paid because we can hire backs who fit McCarthy's offense much cheaper. We have one on the team right now in Tony Pollard. He, to me, might be a better fit for McCarthy's Offense and he is much cheaper.
Because he never had a RB like Zeke before.
The 2009 Packers ran the ball well. They actually ended up with 4000 yards passing, grant ran for 1200 yards and 11 td's and had two 1000 yd wr. I think he will run the ball just fine.
I agree, but look at it on it's face. This doesn't suggest that McCarty is going to run a balanced Offense. It suggests that he will pass the ball much more.
I mean, I feel like you guys aren't listening. What is the original statement I made, say? The Contract for Zeke is looking worse and worse. He is being paid to lead the league in rushing year in, year out. That's not what I see out of a McCarthy Offense. None of what just posted speaks to what I originally said. You are talking about the Offensive production. I am talking about the contract. Two different things. You disagree with that?
His contract is fine with me, he is the most important piece of this offense currently. He along with the line and hopefully an improved group at tight end should lead this offense going forward. McCarthy being from the WCO gives me no worries that he cant be. Mike Holmgren had no problem giving the ball to his rb's a million times and I think McCarthy will do the same.
I think anyone who has a problem with zeke's contract probably doesn't like zeke or falsely believes any rb can produce.
Zeke is the bell cow and the catalyst. I am good with him being paid and now more than ever I believe cooper should not be.
It's not with me. It's looking worse and worse. We can, and probably will, pay a guy much less to carry half the load. Contract is not looking good to me but hey, if you are OK with over paying, that's your business.
yep. next year when zeke is a 2000 yd from scrimmage player remember you didn't want him here. He is going to flourish in a new setup. His physical play is the backbone of what they will do.
Yeah, come tell me all about it, when and if it happens.
You won't see that, the only teams that do that count on the QB to contribute to that like Jackson leading his team in rushing.Personally I am not loving a pass happy philosophy. I truly hope McCarthy is reigned in and runs more than passes. The top 4 passing teams all MISSED THE PLAYOFFS (Including Dallas). Meanwhile the top 4 rushing teams all made the playoffs. I would like to see 55% run and 45% passing.
Personally I am not loving a pass happy philosophy. I truly hope McCarthy is reigned in and runs more than passes. The top 4 passing teams all MISSED THE PLAYOFFS (Including Dallas). Meanwhile the top 4 rushing teams all made the playoffs. I would like to see 55% run and 45% passing.
"too often the DC's are focusing on shutting the run down."You won't see that, the only teams that do that count on the QB to contribute to that like Jackson leading his team in rushing.
The Cowboys hit that 55% level with Emmitt and Dorsett, Landry hit 60% a few times but times were different. I will be happy with 45% run because too often the DC's are focusing on shutting the run down.
The major difference I will be looking for with Big Mike is gameday tactics. I don't think there was anything wrong with Garrett/Moore's strategy, it was the lack of adjustment and tactics and I am looking forward to see how that changes. That's the difference a tactician can make. I always wondered about how the players felt when they knew they were heading into a second half chess game.