Twitter: Bob Sturm: Price points for veteran WRs considered trade targets

[CowboyRoy]

But he is starting to drop the ball like dez did at the end of his career.

All are too overpriced. Draft one Man why did we trade Amani again?

We traded him because he wasn’t worth the price of 22 million each year for the next 3 years.

 

[erod]

Draft a guy in the first round, no way they should commit $20M-$30M for the #2 when Lamb is the #1.

Most receivers take 2-3 years to develop in the NFL.

 

[Beaker42]

Only for him to be mad at the lack of targets

Except he wouldn’t have a lack of targets in Dallas.

 

[Cebrin]

Seems to me if Cedee Lamb is going to be signed in the near future to a big contract and with Gallup already signed, it would make little sense to acquire one of these guys at their price point.

I feel the same. There are some good options in the draft. Jayden Reed, and maybe a late rounder in Puca. He has injury concerns but will fall because of it. Good player.

 

[Jake]

Stephon Diggs, Brandin Cooks, Mike Evans, and DeAndre Hopkins are not cheap…and not that young either. Hopkins is 30; all others are 29. All currently on deals paying them between $20 and $30 mil/season.

Worth it? If so, which one? If we are paying Cedee Lamb soon, a move like this doesn’t seem like a good one to me.

We had a guy locked up for less, but Jerry got mad and they gave him away for peanuts. That's what happens when the emotional GM owns the team.

I honestly wonder, sometimes, why we keep talking about this stuff. To think the two clowns running the show are going to put it together...madness.

 

[Creeper]

Remember, in a trade the new team does not take on his prorated bonus. The new team only takes the player's salary.

Diggs has 5 years left on his deal. $7.9 million would be his cap hit in 2023. Then it goes to $19 million, $18.5 million, $19.1 million and $14.5 million. He will be 30 this year.

Hopkins has 2 years left on his deal at $19.5 million and $15 million for his new team.

Evans has 1 year left at $14.5, but 3 voided years after that.

The Bills and Bucs have big CAP problems . Dumping Diggs would cost the Bills an additional $17 million against the CAP in 2023. Getting rid of Evans would save the Bucs about $2.3 million against the CAP.

The Cards don't have a huge CAP problem, but trading Hopkins would save them $8 million against the CAP.

The Texans get a $10 million save if they trade Cooks now. But his new team has to take on his $18 million salary and his $500k PER GAME roster bonus. If he is on the roster for the entire season he would be a $26.5 million CAP hit to his new team. Next year he would count another $24.5 million against the CAP.

So it looks like Diggs is untradeable by the Bills. Cooks is prohibitively expensive, Hopkins will probably cost too much in draft capitol, and Evans could be a one and done WR. The thing about Evans is with the Bucs CAP issues they may wind up cutting him. If they do some team could pick him up for nothing and sign him to a new deal.

 

[RoboQB]

Could have just kept a 28 year old $20 million Amari Cooper and all of your draft picks and been done with this nonsense.

Exactly!
I wonder if Cleveland would take a 5th for Cooper... lol

 

[Silverstar]

Just sign DJ Chark he's still young (27), big (6-4 205), fast (4.3's) and won't break the bank.
Almost 17ypc last year and I don't think he's reached his full potential yet.

WR1 Lamb
WR2 Chark
WR3 Gallup

Hilton, Turpin, Tolbert

 

[cnuball21]

If we are going to pay Cedee Lamb market value (and we will), and we already have Gallup on the books for approx $12 mil a year, it makes no sense to spend a lot more cap space on one of the pricier vets that may be available.

We can let MG walk after next year…

It would be 1 year of having a super expensive WR room. Well worth it for a team that desperately needs WR help and is close to being good enough to make a run.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Remember, in a trade the new team does not take on his prorated bonus. The new team only takes the player's salary.

Diggs has 5 years left on his deal. $7.9 million would be his cap hit in 2023. Then it goes to $19 million, $18.5 million, $19.1 million and $14.5 million. He will be 30 this year.

Hopkins has 2 years left on his deal at $19.5 million and $15 million for his new team.

Evans has 1 year left at $14.5, but 3 voided years after that.

The Bills and Bucs have big CAP problems . Dumping Diggs would cost the Bills an additional $17 million against the CAP in 2023. Getting rid of Evans would save the Bucs about $2.3 million against the CAP.

The Cards don't have a huge CAP problem, but trading Hopkins would save them $8 million against the CAP.

The Texans get a $10 million save if they trade Cooks now. But his new team has to take on his $18 million salary and his $500k PER GAME roster bonus. If he is on the roster for the entire season he would be a $26.5 million CAP hit to his new team. Next year he would count another $24.5 million against the CAP.

So it looks like Diggs is untradeable by the Bills. Cooks is prohibitively expensive, Hopkins will probably cost too much in draft capitol, and Evans could be a one and done WR. The thing about Evans is with the Bucs CAP issues they may wind up cutting him. If they do some team could pick him up for nothing and sign him to a new deal.

Yes, diggs has and is a huge pipe dream. Most of these guys are and the most likely thing is Jerry goes after obj who he is enamored with. That also allows them to keep all their draft capital which is really important for them.

 

[JBond]

Hardman seems to make the most sense. Has great speed and is used to playing a role.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Exactly!
I wonder if Cleveland would take a 5th for Cooper... lol

Well the Brown's do have to find $11.5m CAP saving in the next week, however, they arent quite in the same position as we were, their CAP manipulation can be done mainly by converting Garrett and Chubb salary into bonus.

 

[CowboyoWales]

We can let MG walk after next year…

It would be 1 year of having a super expensive WR room. Well worth it for a team that desperately needs WR help and is close to being good enough to make a run.

For a saving of just $5m or $9m as a post June. A further year removed from surgery should improve his confidence and flexibility. I ask again, what was the issue with Hilton and his 70% completion and (rumored) ability to get open. TY on a 4th WR contract, improvement from Gallup and even Talbot and drafting a receiving TE (Kincaid or Musgrave) should the corp.

 

[cnuball21]

For a saving of just $5m or $9m as a post June. A further year removed from surgery should improve his confidence and flexibility. I ask again, what was the issue with Hilton and his 70% completion and (rumored) ability to get open. TY on a 4th WR contract, improvement from Gallup and even Talbot and drafting a receiving TE (Kincaid or Musgrave) should the corp.

Gallup has had 1 good year and never been more than a 3. He can come back 110% healthy and I’d still want us to try and upgrade. His separation metrics have never been good.

Hilton was a nice signing off the streets and he had a few nice moments. Does he even want to play football? At his age / size sim not counting on him for a full season if I’m trying to be a contender.

Trotting out the same WR corp and expecting different results would be a massive disappointment IMO.

Kincaid would help - but I’m not a huge fan of TEs in the 1st due to positional value and he didn’t work out at the combine so not positive on what of athlete he is. Looks like a stud though.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Gallup has had 1 good year and never been more than a 3. He can come back 110% healthy and I’d still want us to try and upgrade. His separation metrics have never been good.

Hilton was a nice signing off the streets and he had a few nice moments. Does he even want to play football? At his age / size sim not counting on him for a full season if I’m trying to be a contender.

Trotting out the same WR corp and expecting different results would be a massive disappointment IMO.

Kincaid would help - but I’m not a huge fan of TEs in the 1st due to positional value and he didn’t work out at the combine so not positive on what of athlete he is. Looks like a stud though.

But that's what you get when your QB's paid 20% of the CAP. You want upgrade, but in what, it's similar to the complaints about us running curls when it appears that Dak's started struggling on most IN ROUTES.

I used Hilton (and the frequently mentioned "he was open") as an example why improving the receiving corp (inc separation) ISNT necessarily the biggest issue with our passing game.

If Dak, as he did in his last year with Coop still preferred to go to his TE's why spend the money on a WR2, spend it (money or draft capital) on what Dak's comfortable with.....going short to the TE.

 

[cnuball21]

But that's what you get when your QB's paid 20% of the CAP. You want upgrade, but in what, it's similar to the complaints about us running curls when it appears that Dak's started struggling on most IN ROUTES.

I used Hilton (and the frequently mentioned "he was open") as an example why improving the receiving corp (inc separation) ISNT necessarily the biggest issue with our passing game.

If Dak, as he did in his last year with Coop still preferred to go to his TE's why spend the money on a WR2, spend it (money or draft capital) on what Dak's comfortable with.....going short to the TE.

No that’s what you get when your GM doesn’t want to spend in FA. I think I already did the song and dance with you about how we can free up around 50 mil with a handful of moves.

Last years metrics show our WR corp had one of the lowest amount of separation in football and we were near the top of tight window throws.

Not good enough if we want to advance further.

 

[Cowboys22]

I wouldn’t go high priced WR at all. A solid mid tier veteran that has proven he can play and a draft pick should suffice. That should give them plenty of options to develop and leave room to resign Lamb when needed

 

[cnuball21]

I wouldn’t go high priced WR at all. A solid mid tier veteran that has proven he can play and a draft pick should suffice. That should give them plenty of options to develop and leave room to resign Lamb when needed

Shoot I’d settle for that at this point…just try something haha.

 

[CowboyoWales]

No that’s what you get when your GM doesn’t want to spend in FA. I think I already did the song and dance with you about how we can free up around 50 mil with a handful of moves.

Last years metrics show our WR corp had one of the lowest amount of separation in football and we were near the top of tight window throws.

Not good enough if we want to advance further.

No you didnt, you mentioned 50m but were unable to show your workings and how it effects 2024 and 25.

As with Hilton a lot of those issues were that Dak is so slow on progressions AND he appears pre-set on the play (hence confusion when teams change defensive formation post snap).

I doubt an expensive (or any) receiver makes a big difference. It appears CeeDee and Schultz were both in the top 32 ranked 'open' receivers in 2022 (as per below).

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nfl-receiver-rankings/

Shoot I’d settle for that at this point…just try something haha.

How about putting some of the blame on Dak?

 

[Captain-Crash]

it would be better to build a bear's defense. Trent isn't winning us crap.