BR: Tony Romo Has Not Only Been the Best Version of Himself, He Might Be the NFL MVP

[Vtwin]

Hard to argue against Murray getting some consideration but if the Cowboys have to lose either Murray or Romo for the rest of the season the loss of Murray would be far less impactful than that of Romo.

 

[BigStar]

So he's not an MVP when Romo is slinging it around, piling up huge numbers and being the main driver of 8-8 seasons even though he has 4 win talent around him.

And he's not an MVP when they finally put some decent talent around him that leads to double digits wins and a possible division win.

Gotcha.

I guess there are no scenarios in which Romo is MVP material.

And his QB rating is right with the assumed winner, Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers would be the first to tell you his game is helped by the running of Eddy Lacy, by the way.

Rodgers will win the MVP, not Romo. But it's based on a false narrative.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers is better than Romo. But based on this year, theres not too much difference between the 2, IMO.

4 win talent? Ware, Witten, Ratliff (prime), Hatcher, Bryant. Murray has been here the whole time. We added a RG/Ro last season...?

 

[Direwolf63]

Actually NO...You DON'T got me.

You already made your argument in your head and read what you wanted to read because if you read what I said you would in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM come to the conclusion that I thought he was not MVP material when we were 8-8 and he was the main driver with no running game or good offensive line play...I pretty much said the opposite.

That he was the MVP of the team back at that time, not now.

So...again...you don't get what I am saying and basically making up an argument where you are arguing with imaginary people saying things in your head.

I won't argue about it.

But help me out....why is Aaron Rodgers a slam dunk MVP winner and Romo shouldn't be considered for it?

 

[BigStar]

No knock on Romo he's had a terrific season but Murray has clearly been the Cowboys MVP and has a decent shot at the league MVP if the Cowboys make the playoffs. It's been the running game that's taken a load off Romo's shoulders that's contributed to the season he's had. Coming off back surgery and being limited all summer and suffering another injury to his back in week 8 he wouldn't have been as consistent this season had he had to attempt as many passes as he did in previous seasons. After 13 games this season he's attempted only 381 passes which is a career low after 13 games. Last season where he also missed a game he attempted 535 passes in 15 games.

In 2012 he attempted 648 passes. Many felt his poor performance on Thanksgiving was due to him being tired from a real short week. It's very unlikely he would have been as effective this season without the great year Murray has had. Romo's had 8 int's this season which is only one off his career low after 13 games. His 11 turnovers is a career low after 13 games played. His 110.4 passer rating blows away his career best after 13 games and his efficiency this season can all be attributed to the running game led by Murray.

It's always been Romo's having to carry the offense ever since he became the starting QB in 06 and it's led to some meltdown performances and a lot of turnovers. We've said for years he needs a running which is a QB's best friend. He's had only 2 poor games this season and it was a result of the Cowboys getting way behind and Romo having to press and do too much.

Good point on not overlooking TDAY as being Romo related. Would have won with a healthy QB. D stopped them twice in RZ after giving it away....Good and bad.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I won't argue about it.

But help me out....why is Aaron Rodgers a slam dunk MVP winner and Romo shouldn't be considered for it?

I don't know...I am not saying it and I don't care about that.

That is turning to a different argument than the one I was making and turning it into one YOU are making or OTHERS are making.

I will quote my post that you quoted... " Romo was the MVP for the last few years....he is not the mvp THIS year."

 

[theogt]

Less is more with Romo. I've been saying that for a long time.



YR

Oh, look, a back-handed compliment.

Get out of here with that crap. You've not just said "less is more", you've said that the team needs to dump him and that he's not a good NFL QB.

And you've been wrong, time and time and time again.

 

[Direwolf63]

4 win talent? Ware, Witten, Ratliff (prime), Hatcher, Bryant. Murray has been here the whole time. We added a RG/Ro last season...?

You name 5 guys out of a roster of 53. Yeah. 4 win talent. The defense has been for the most part terrible during the Romo era. With very few exceptions.

 

[BigStar]

You name 5 guys out of a roster of 53. Yeah. 4 win talent. The defense has been for the most part terrible during the Romo era. With very few exceptions.

D has been weak but you want to talk Romo era? He lost 2 straight do or die games. There isn't much more to argue? Rodgers and Brady lose (2) straight with a chance @ playoffs? Sometimes there aren't stats to argue that kind of stuff. Look @ the D though! As if GB and NE are world beaters.

 

[Direwolf63]

D has been weak but you want to talk Romo era? He lost 3 straight do or die games. There isn't much more to argue?

Ah yes. Romo bashers favorite strategy.....taking TEAM stats and placing all on ONE player.
As of Romo was the only reason for those losses.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Said a week or so that Romo should be in consideration. He's done more with less than any other QB in the league. JMO.

Oh lord, "more with less" and "he is asked to do more"
This is comical now.

Ok back to OP.

You could argue that of the 4 loses he has legit excuses or reasons why we lost those games. Yeah. I will go there. They are legit.

49ers - just not ready. Rusty.
Skins - dam close, injury
Cards - injured
Eagles - too much, too many games,k body just couldn't do it.

So, yes, he could be considered. But there are more games. I would wait before I voted!


I have gotten "decent" with my video and music editing skills.
I would love to do something after we win Super Bowl. Might still do a something for playoff run.
Someone last year did a dark knight rises video with Romo it was great!

 

[BigStar]

Ah yes. Romo bashers favorite strategy.....taking TEAM stats and placing all on ONE player.

Actually love Romo. Protected JG's job and allowed JJ to save face for going cheap @ QB. It is what is when it comes to opps lost...you don't credit for "getting" 8 wins w/o the fault of losing the last meaningful game.

 

[percyhoward]

Less is more with Romo. I've been saying that for a long time.

And now that we can get away with not having to depend on pass offense so much, what you've been saying is actually true.

But we didn't get better by simply deciding to start depending on the QB less. We got better because we hit on all three OL picks, and one of the effects of that is not having to throw it 40 times a game.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

best QB in the league right now? Aaron Rodgers.

Most valuable player? Tony Romo.

He's playing by far his best season, and without him Cowboys would be 2-12 or 3-11 easily.

 

[Avery]

Sad thing is that if he throws a couple picks in a game and we lose that this forum will eviscerate him and call him an all-time choker.

 

[BigStar]

And now that we can get away with not having to depend on pass offense so much, what you've been saying is actually true.

But we didn't get better by simply deciding to start depending on the QB less. We got better because we hit on all three OL picks, and one of the effects of that is not having to throw it 40 times a game.

And forcing your prime QB to into a bland scheme that could have resulted in wins even with the warts...This team wasn't anything to look at until the OL came about. Now we knew it along... 5 YPC? Naw, we got it. New OC = 5YPC and what the hell were you doing last season? "MY scheme shows that...." no one cares (linny), this works instead (close the door on your way out). Credit the man who hop stepped out of the way But he did like football players...who liked to play football. JG better get Romo something out of this creap deal he was dealt.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Oh, look, a back-handed compliment.

Get out of here with that crap. You've not just said "less is more", you've said that the team needs to dump him and that he's not a good NFL QB.

And you've been wrong, time and time and time again.

I've never said that he's not a good NFL QB.

It just has never happened. And you can never prove it.

And I've never said that they should just flat-out dump him. I've said that they need to look at the future considering his age and that competition at the QB position is a good thing.

Less is more with Romo. He's throwing the ball much less per game and the offense and his performance is far more effective. I was right, again. You just don't want to admit it because you were the one telling us that I was wrong for saying 'less is more with Romo.'

Egg is on your face, not mine.






YR

 

[SDCowboy]

Romo has been the true definition of what an MVP is. Not just a guy who puts up crazy numbers.

 

[percyhoward]

Less is more with Romo. He's throwing the ball much less per game and the offense and his performance is far more effective. I was right, again.

You're confusing cause with effect.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And now that we can get away with not having to depend on pass offense so much, what you've been saying is actually true.

But we didn't get better by simply deciding to start depending on the QB less. We got better because we hit on all three OL picks, and one of the effects of that is not having to throw it 40 times a game.

Sure, that's part of it.

But, we are no longer throwing it 40+ times a game and the defense can't just play the pass and then we end up doing a lot of work for a 5-yard completion.

He's also audibling much less now. Especially in the past 4 games. The plays are getting off much more quickly. Makes the O-Line's job much easier as well.

We also needed to commit to becoming an effective running team. We had a good running game last season, but we refused to run the ball (for whatever reason). And the offense was very dink and dunk...lots of work and lots of things having to go right to complete 5 and 6 yard passes.

Romo is good, but too many have overestimated his abilities. I feel the same way about Roethlisberger. And he's the same type of QB...limit his throws to 36 or less a game and the more effective he is and the better the offense moves the ball.

It's part execution and part philosophy.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You're confusing cause with effect.

Not when you look at his passing statistics when you split it between 1-10 attempts, 10-20 attempts, 20-30 attempts, 30-40 attempts and 40-50+ attempts. The numbers are pretty clear and things start to taper off quite a bit once he gets to more than 36 throws.

Nope, not confusing cause with effect at all.

Less is more with Romo.




YR