BR: Tony Romo Has Not Only Been the Best Version of Himself, He Might Be the NFL MVP

tyke1doe

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So he's not an MVP when Romo is slinging it around, piling up huge numbers and being the main driver of 8-8 seasons even though he has 4 win talent around him.

And he's not an MVP when they finally put some decent talent around him that leads to double digits wins and a possible division win.

Gotcha.

I guess there are no scenarios in which Romo is MVP material.

And his QB rating is right with the assumed winner, Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers would be the first to tell you his game is helped by the running of Eddy Lacy, by the way.

Rodgers will win the MVP, not Romo. But it's based on a false narrative.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers is better than Romo. But based on this year, theres not too much difference between the 2, IMO.

Here's the problem you're dealing with.

Rodgers has won a Super Bowl without a running game. Romo has not.

So now that the Cowboys are winning with a running game whereas they didn't get too far leaning on Romo, Romo isn't going to be considered as an MVP candidate. His success is tied directly to the running game, although we know that Romo is far more valuable than Murray.

Romo is the Cowboys MVP. But Romo and the Cowboys wouldn't be where they are with Murray's yards (and the offensive line, for that matter. But since they don't give the award to the offensive line, it's between Murray and Romo. And I think Murray would get the MVP if it were between the two - and rightly so).
 

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Less is more with Romo. I've been saying that for a long time.



YR

And you've been wrong for a long time.

These Cowboys aren't 8-8 the last 3 years with less Tony. They'd have been cover your eyes worse.

And Tony hasn't changed. His line and running game have improved. Which makes things easier for him. Like it makes things easier for every quarterback who has ever lived.
 

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Here's the problem you're dealing with.

Rodgers has won a Super Bowl without a running game. Romo has not.

Rodgers didn't even get an MVP "vote" the year they won the Super Bowl, and he had "only" 28 TDs (with 11 INTs) his self. So apparently he won a Super Bowl without a running game or passing game :rolleyes:
 

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Rodgers didn't even get an MVP "vote" the year they won the Super Bowl, and he had "only" 28 TDs (with 11 INTs) his self. So apparently he won a Super Bowl without a running game or passing game :rolleyes:

What did his running backs have? What were their/his stats?
 

tyke1doe

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And you've been wrong for a long time.

These Cowboys aren't 8-8 the last 3 years with less Tony. They'd have been cover your eyes worse.

And Tony hasn't changed. His line and running game have improved. Which makes things easier for him. Like it makes things easier for every quarterback who has ever lived.

Aren't you making his point with the bold statement?
 

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What did his running backs have? What were their/his stats?

What difference does it make? You are trying to make it as if Rodgers was some 50 TD, 5,000 yard God who carried the Packers on his back to the Super Bowl. He clearly wasn't.

Also, (not just directed at you) this idea that an MVP can't come from a team with more than one MVP caliber player is extremely stupid, it's been done many times. Heck, Warner and Faulk passed the MVP between each other 3 years in a row. It's a weak argument trying to bring our guys down.
 

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And you've been wrong for a long time.

These Cowboys aren't 8-8 the last 3 years with less Tony. They'd have been cover your eyes worse.

Nope. They would have been better. He passes the ball much more efficiently in the 20-30 pass attempts and 30-35 pass attempt splits. And when he has thrown the ball 40+ times, almost on queue, the offense has been inefficient. Bob Sturm has also pointed this out many times.

Meanwhile it keeps the defense on the field for a long period of time. And defensive players are historically more than twice as likely to get injured than offensive players. So...keeping them on the field would cause more injuries.

Didn't we have a bunch of injuries on defense the past 3 seasons?

I thought so.

Put it this way, if the offensive line is so much better and since we can *prove* statistically that throwing the ball better than your opponent wins 80% of the time....we should, by your logic, throw much more than we are now with Romo. He's got more time to throw the ball, right? So he should be even better. And we should be able to blow out teams early in the game and just coast to victory in the 2nd half.

And Tony hasn't changed. His line and running game have improved. Which makes things easier for him. Like it makes things easier for every quarterback who has ever lived.

Sure he's changed.

He's not audibling as much. He's not audibling out of run plays (remember, Jason Hatcher yelled at him in practice for audibling out of a running play last season). We are just playing more to his strengths which is when he is throwing the ball less than 36 times a game. Occasionally, there's nothing you can do to not throw the ball a lot. But, if you are throwing the ball 36 times a game, you are still on schedule to be throwing the ball 60% of the time! It creates unbalanced playcalling and Romo has proven that he's not good enough to overcome an imbalance of more than 60%. Few QB's in the NFL can.

And by not throwing as much, your defense is off the field and much less likely to get injured.

Less is more with Tony Romo.





YR
 

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I think it would be hard to name Romo the MVP THIS year when I don't even think he is the MVP on his own team.

I think Murray and the Offensive Line has been the MVP of this team this year.

Even if Murray is not racking up yards in a few games this year, he still presents a threat to do so, so the defenses have to put more men in the box and opens up the passing game a little more.

Also the Offensive line has given Tony a much better chance to make plays. How many times have we seen him sitting back there with 7+ seconds to scan the field over and over before throwing the ball.

So No...I don't think he should be NFL MVP this year, I don't even think he is the team MVP.

But that is just me and I am not a Romo basher by any means. In previous years I think he was the MVP of the team as he did not have much of an oline, much of a running game and was a one man houdini act in the passing game where he had to run around to avoid being killed because the oline played like it was the keystone cops.

True Romo would not be where he is without BOTH the OL and Murray but if you take away Romo you don't sniff the playoffs. No Murray and you still have an OL that allows a good RB to push the team onward. Personally, I love the year Murray is having but a number of RBs could run behind this OL although none might be quite as effective.
 

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Should Romo be in consideration? Maybe.

But he will never win it. No way. The narrative is that the success of this offense comes from the revamped o-line and Murray chasing 2,000 yards. And because of this, Romo hasn't had to take chances like years past. In other words, Romo won't get credit for the success of this team.

I don't agree with that narrative, but that's what's out there. Romo won't get the benefit out the doubt the way Aaron Rodgers and several others do. Heck, people still throw Romo and Jay Cutler in the same group.
Sad but true you and I know that Romo is light years ahead of Cutler at QB, simply put with that talent in Chicago Romo throws 5,000yds, and a better record with a bad defense it has been proven here with the 8-8s a few times but that o-line there would cause Romo to run for his life and if Cutler was the Cowboys QB, even with this o-line and Murray running the ball the results would be the same with him as it is in Chicago, that caused him to get benched in favor of another QB who couldn't live up to the hype in Jimmy Clausen that is bad stuff.
 

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I've never said that he's not a good NFL QB.

It just has never happened. And you can never prove it.

And I've never said that they should just flat-out dump him. I've said that they need to look at the future considering his age and that competition at the QB position is a good thing.

Less is more with Romo. He's throwing the ball much less per game and the offense and his performance is far more effective. I was right, again. You just don't want to admit it because you were the one telling us that I was wrong for saying 'less is more with Romo.'

Egg is on your face, not mine.






YR
Saying we should trade Romo:

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/reca...on-galloway-show-w-audio.164530/#post-2999283

Saying it was a "horrendous" move to extend Romo.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/pat-picked-up-jimmy-garoppolo.289310/#post-5540867

Saying you can't deal with a QB that "doesn't understand basic situational football" and calling Romo supporters "blind":

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/tony...ature-emasculation.242093/page-3#post-4702568

Saying Romo has "bad fundementals" that "make the O-line look bad" and needs to be "protected from himself":

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-and-false-flags.298861/page-2#post-5668423

Saying he's "nowhere near his peak anymore" (funny because this was in 2014):

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romos-peak-already-passed.291034/page-2#post-5564385


Egg on whose face?
 
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Here's the problem you're dealing with.

Rodgers has won a Super Bowl without a running game. Romo has not.

So now that the Cowboys are winning with a running game whereas they didn't get too far leaning on Romo, Romo isn't going to be considered as an MVP candidate. His success is tied directly to the running game, although we know that Romo is far more valuable than Murray.

Romo is the Cowboys MVP. But Romo and the Cowboys wouldn't be where they are with Murray's yards (and the offensive line, for that matter. But since they don't give the award to the offensive line, it's between Murray and Romo. And I think Murray would get the MVP if it were between the two - and rightly so).

I'm sorry but I disagree.

We have seen this team with a healthy Murray, a healthy o-line and no Tony Romo.

Disaster.

So what would this team be like with a healthy Romo, a healthy o-line and no Murray?

Obviously, we don't know for sure. Clearly, we would not be as good without Murray. It would hurt. But I would submit to you that with a healthy o-line, the Cowboys can run enough with Randle and Dunbar to at least keep defenses honest. Randle has run for 7 yards a carry, albiet in very limited opportunities so far this year. There is no way he would do that if you gave him 20 carries, but this offense could still function with 80 or 90 yards on the ground in a given game. That should give Romo enough openings that he can move the ball.

Obviously, we are much better with Murray and I love what's he's done this year. But Romo is the MVP, IMO. This team is finished without him.
 
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Sad but true you and I know that Romo is light years ahead of Cutler at QB, simply put with that talent in Chicago Romo throws 5,000yds, and a better record with a bad defense it has been proven here with the 8-8s a few times but that o-line there would cause Romo to run for his life and if Cutler was the Cowboys QB, even with this o-line and Murray running the ball the results would be the same with him as it is in Chicago, that caused him to get benched in favor of another QB who couldn't live up to the hype in Jimmy Clausen that is bad stuff.

His o-line may be poor, but you can't say Cutler doesn't have weapons at his disposal:

Marshall
Jeffrey
Bennett
Forte

A healthy Romo would go wild with that group.
 

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Here's the problem you're dealing with.

Rodgers has won a Super Bowl without a running game. Romo has not.

So now that the Cowboys are winning with a running game whereas they didn't get too far leaning on Romo, Romo isn't going to be considered as an MVP candidate. His success is tied directly to the running game, although we know that Romo is far more valuable than Murray.

Romo is the Cowboys MVP. But Romo and the Cowboys wouldn't be where they are with Murray's yards (and the offensive line, for that matter. But since they don't give the award to the offensive line, it's between Murray and Romo. And I think Murray would get the MVP if it were between the two - and rightly so).
I honestly think the running game has zero to do with Romo's success. I think PASS PROTECTION is what's contributing to Romo's success this season.
 

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Saying we should trade Romo:

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/reca...on-galloway-show-w-audio.164530/#post-2999283

Saying it was a "horrendous" move to extend Romo.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/pat-picked-up-jimmy-garoppolo.289310/#post-5540867

Saying you can't deal with a QB that "doesn't understand basic situational football" and calling Romo supporters "blind":

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/tony...ature-emasculation.242093/page-3#post-4702568

Saying Romo has "bad fundementals" that "make the O-line look bad" and needs to be "protected from himself":

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romo-and-false-flags.298861/page-2#post-5668423

Saying he's "nowhere near his peak anymore" (funny because this was in 2014):

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/romos-peak-already-passed.291034/page-2#post-5564385


Egg on whose face?

Wow I hope you carried his books when you just took him to school.

Another one bites the dust...
 

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Egg on whose face?[/quote]

Where's the slap down emoticon when you need it. Nice work Theo. I guess all those meaningless thoughts were just that.
 

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Egg on whose face?

Where's the slap down emoticon when you need it. Nice work Theo. I guess all those meaningless thoughts were just that.[/quote]

Really was an all-time CZ takedown. Don't know how the other guy could even show his internet face after that!
 

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Yakuza and company whine about romo throwing more than 40 a game and what happens then. Why don't they look at Brady's record at throwing more than 40 a game.
 

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Said a week or so that Romo should be in consideration. He's done more with less than any other QB in the league. JMO.

I think Tony has had an outstanding season. I would be more than happy to hear that he has been chosen the M.V.P. But the whole "he has done more with less" thing is just wrong.

Arguably the best offensive line in football.
The leading rusher in the NFL who is threatening 2,000 yards
The 2nd best WR in football in Dez Bryant
One of the best TE's in football in Jason Witten

I don't know what team some folks are watching.
 
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