Bradie James - Getting Better?

[Vintage]

Well, since Wade loves the zone blitz, there will be times he will drop into the short zone and play the "role" of LB.

If he lines up as a DE; then drops off into coverage, he is still a DE but was given the responsibilities of a LBer (ie; zone blitz like you just said).

But if Ware, an OLB, lines up as a DE in the nickle; then he is a DE.

 

[blindzebra]

If he lines up as a DE; then drops off into coverage, he is still a DE but was given the responsibilities of a LBer (ie; zone blitz like you just said).

But if Ware, an OLB, lines up as a DE in the nickle; then he is a DE.

I am fully aware of the differences, thank you.

This is about semantics, and the pathological need to correct someone else about things that do not matter.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Holy smoke! Marcus Spears is an ILB!!!!!!1!!11!11eleven!!!

If Spears drops into a zone and Williams blitzes off that end, he becomes a DE for the next 5 seconds. :wink3:

 

[Vintage]

I am fully aware of the differences, thank you.

This is about semantics, and the pathological need to correct someone else about things that do not matter.

And yet, for something that doesn't matter, you took the time to reply to me.

Thanks.

 

[Stautner]

Wait a second. So when they're playing the exact same position they're playing different positions?

This truly does blow my mind.

A safety sometimes covers the TE, but sometimes a LB covers the TE ....... does that mean they play the same position?

Of course it doesn't.

They play separate positions that have some overlap in duties.


I know this is much too complicated for your Madden trained, book learned version of football where you can only understand positions if they have completely separate, non-overlapping duties, but that's just something you will have to figure out.

 

[Stautner]

If Spears drops into a zone and Williams blitzes off that end, he becomes a DE for the next 5 seconds. :wink3:

I see - so if the DE stunts toward the middle he is a DT for 5 seconds, and if Roy Williams cheats into the middle and blitzes he is an ILB for 5 seconds, and if Canty recognizes a screen and goes out to take the RB he becomes an OLB for 5 seconds, and if Hamlin takes a WR one on one while Newman blitzes he becomes a CB for 5 seconds ............



This is like saying that on a passed ball when the pitcher has to cover a play at the plate the pitcher is actually the catcher for 5 seconds.

Good thing he doesn't have to pitch to himself in those 5 seconds .........

 

[blindzebra]

And yet, for something that doesn't matter, you took the time to reply to me.

Thanks.

I'm thoughtful like that.

 

[theogt]

A safety sometimes covers the TE, but sometimes a LB covers the TE ....... does that mean they play the same position?

Of course it doesn't.

They play separate positions that have some overlap in duties.


I know this is much too complicated for your Madden trained, book learned version of football where you can only understand positions if they have completely separate, non-overlapping duties, but that's just something you will have to figure out.

Wow. You are honestly trying to tell me that when Hatcher plays nickel DE it is a different position than the nickel DE position that Ware plays.

I think this pretty much sums up your posts in this entire thread: clueless.

 

[Seven]

This is about semantics, and the pathological need to correct someone else about things that do not matter.

X 10,000

 

[theogt]

This is about semantics, and the pathological need to correct someone else about things that do not matter.

I'm glad you decided to come into this thread and correct me -- on something that didn't matter. Must be a pathological problem you have?

Can you say hypocrite?

 

[superpunk]

I don't know if it's this thread, or another one - but I'm gonna post this IM conversation I had with a friend a few minutes ago.

dumb hebrew1 (4:35:42 PM): hey - how much did the 49ers run the 3-4 last year?
------------ (4:35:53 PM): next to none
------------ (4:36:02 PM): we didn't have the personell for it
dumb hebrew1 (4:36:12 PM): was it a few games, a few innings?
------------- (4:36:28 PM): more like a few plays before they were like **** IT
dumb hebrew1 (4:36:49 PM): lol....thanks

edit: I just noticed that I said "innings".

 

[blindzebra]

I'm glad you decided to come into this thread and correct me -- on something that didn't matter. Must be a pathological problem you have?

Can you say hypocrite?

No I came into this thread with an observation...a completely true one.

Now I'm correcting you.

See the difference?

 

[Stautner]

Wow. You are honestly trying to tell me that when Hatcher plays nickel DE it is a different position than the nickel DE position that Ware plays.

I think this pretty much sums up your posts in this entire thread: clueless.

Are you telling me that when a safety covers a TE he is playing the same position as when a LB covers the TE?

Are you telling me that when Ayodele blitzes up the middle and when Roy Williams blitzes up the middle they are playing the same position?


WAKE UP - you aren't listening.

I'm saying they are different positions with some overlapping responsibilities .......

That really isn't that difficult to understand.

The concept of hybrid players and hybrid positions with multiple roles isn't either - and isn't particularly unusual.

If Phillips compartmentalized his positions the way you do he wouldn't have the flexibility to be as agressive as he is credited with. The idea is that players have the flexibility to show a number of different looks.

The flexibility of the OLB to move around and attack from different spots in different ways is what makes the position hard to defend - and that's the role Shawn Merriman played and Ware will play.

 

[theogt]

No I came into this thread with an observation...a completely true one.

Now I'm correcting you.

See the difference?

If I post images from Phillips' playbook showing the nickel linebacker and dimebacker being different positions, listed with different names, in different packages, with different responsibilities, would you still think you're correct?

 

[theogt]

Are you telling me that when a safety covers a TE he is playing the same position as when a LB covers the TE?

Are you telling me that when Ayodele blitzes up the middle and when Roy Williams blitzes up the middle they are playing the same position?


WAKE UP - you aren't listening.

I'm saying they are different positions with some overlapping responsibilities .......

That really isn't that difficult to understand.

The concept of hybrid players and hybrid positions with multiple roles isn't either - and isn't particularly unusual.

If Phillips compartmentalized his positions the way you do he wouldn't have the flexibility to be as agressive as he is credited with. The idea is that players have the flexibility to show a number of different looks.

The flexibility of the OLB to move around and attack from different spots in different ways is what makes the position hard to defend - and that's the role Shawn Merriman played and Ware will play.

Ok. Just so we're clear. When Hatcher lines up at nickel DE it's a different position than when Ware lines up at nickel DE. Gotcha.

 

[zeromaster]

It wasn't some veiled attempt to criticize James. It was a blatant attempt to criticize him. I thought for sure he'd looks faster when he lost 20 pounds. I haven't been able to watch training camp, so I haven't seen him play at this weight. After watching him, I didn't think he looked faster.

If you think he did look faster, I'd like to hear you say you think he did.

Well your post title was something less than blatant.

I think most of us got that you dislike James months ago, so asking for thoughts on his improvement of lack of it is probably a waste of your valuable time. If you're sure of your conclusions, what confirmation do you need from the Zone?

I didn't think James looked faster, I think you wanted to stir that pot yet again, and you succeeded. Congrats.

 

[fortdick]

I was on board with you thinking that Carp could take James spot this year. That was really my hope as well.

But considering the Ellis situation, and considering that Carpenter was most noticeable in the Indy game rushing the passer from the outside, I have to think that is not going to happen in the near future.

I could possibly see Carpenter playing OLB on 1st and 2nd down, then moving to the middle and replacing James on passing downs with Spencer coming in to fill the OLB spot as a pass rusher.

 

[blindzebra]

If I post images from Phillips' playbook showing the nickel linebacker and dimebacker being different positions, listed with different names, in different packages, with different responsibilities, would you still think you're correct?

The point is IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY FREAKING DIFFERENCE!

Ketchup or catchup or catsup it still red stuff in a bottle.

 

[theogt]

Well your post title was something less than blatant.

I think most of us got that you dislike James months ago, so asking for thoughts on his improvement of lack of it is probably a waste of your valuable time. If you're sure of your conclusions, what confirmation do you need from the Zone?

I didn't think James looked faster, I think you wanted to stir that pot yet again, and you succeeded. Congrats.

I'm not sure of my conclusions regarding James. Actually, I haven't reached any conclusions yet regarding James.

If you've been paying attention to my positions in the recent past, you'd know that I've been extremely critical of Julius Jones and supportive of Barber. However, in one of the recent RB threads, I stated that Julius looked very different in the preseason game. He looked more fluid and as though he had better vision (he noticed holes and went for them, even if he didn't get that far).

Another example. I was extremely critical of the Carpenter pick. I didn't want him. I didn't think he could play OLB. I criticized him constantly. Some claimed I had some anti-Carpenter agenda. But now I would like to see him as one of the starting ILBs. Did I have an anti-Carpenter agenda? Of course not.

It's not like I'm stuck on some position or agenda and will look for anything that confirms said agenda and point it out to the board. I honestly expected James to look faster this year. He didn't seem faster in the preseason game, even though other players who also lost weight did look faster. Have I concluded that he's not faster? Of course not. He may look faster in other games and other situations. But he did look very sluggish to me in this game, and I wanted to see if others felt the same. Apparently several people did feel the same. Some others didn't. That is all.

 

[fortdick]

Nope - that's merely the interperetation of a moron.


Let me ask you this - when Roy Williams moves up and plays close to the LOS will he be a 5th linebacker or a safety being used up closer to the line of scrimmage?

Sure, he will have duties similar to a LB, but he will also back up and play back at times ..... he will have a dual role.

Same goes for the OLB. He has a dual role. Sometimes on the line as a pass rusher, sometimes back in coverage.

The actual 3rd string DE doesn't do that - he is on the line ALL the time.

Hell, by your viewpoint Ware actually almost never plays OLB - he is just a DE and we play A 4-3 defense 80% of the time.

Except on a zone blitz when the DE has first back out responsibilities.