Bradie James - Getting Better?

[fortdick]

I think you meant, "Great! I was trolling for attention and drew some!"

When do school start?

 

[theogt]

When do school start?

Just one more week until my final year of grad school starts.

 

[fortdick]

Just one more week until my final year of grad school starts.

Great. With your personality, you will do well in the real world.

 

[theogt]

Great. With your personality, you will do well in the real world.

Thanks. I've worked in the "real world" before and during grad school, though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carpenter played ay OLB all last year. I see no reason why he couldnt do it again if Wade and B-Stew needed him there.

 

[Stautner]

They're two different situations. It's not a contradiction.

So let me get this straight - when A D-lineman plays a down as a LB would then he his still a D-lineman, but when a LB plays a down like a D-lineman would then he is a D-lineman ..........

The concept of positions requiring multiple roles and responsibilites and hybrid players and hybrid positions will always elude people like you who learn your football from reading magazines and playing Madden on the video game.

I would think you would have read enough about the Cowboys and Wade Phillips to realize that he doesn't play the standard vanilla defense with OLB's playing back in the traditional behind the line position on running downs and only bring extra pressure or move people around on passing downs. There is plenty of reading material for guys like you to see that Phillips moves his OLB's around and uses them often and on any down as pass rushers on the line of scrimmage.

That kind of movement is standard - he is moving players constantly, with OLB's sometimes playing back and sometimes rushing from the LOS ..... he doesn't play the predictable defense you seem to suggest.

You have to pigeohole players and roles to get your mind around it.

 

[theogt]

So let me get this straight - when A D-lineman plays a down as a LB would then he his still a D-lineman, but when a LB plays a down like a D-lineman would then he is a D-lineman ..........

The concept of positions requiring multiple roles and responsibilites and hybrid players and hybrid positions will always elude people like you who learn your football from reading magazines and playing Madden on the video game.

I would think you would have read enough about the Cowboys and Wade Phillips to realize that he doesn't play the standard vanilla defense with OLB's playing back in the traditional behind the line position on running downs and only bring extra pressure or move people around on passing downs. There is plenty of reading material for guys like you to see that Phillips moves his OLB's around and uses them often and on any down as pass rushers on the line of scrimmage.

That kind of movement is standard - he is moving players constantly, with OLB's sometimes playing back and sometimes rushing from the LOS ..... he doesn't play the predictable defense you seem to suggest.

You have to pigeohole players and roles to get your mind around it.

No, in the nickel defense, the player is assigned the DE position. He has DE responsibilities. He's called a DE.

In the zone blitz, the player is assigned the DE position. He has DE responsibilities. And he's called a DE.

This is difficult for you to grasp. I can tell. I'm sorry for that, but you'll just have to work at it.

 

[Stautner]

No, in the nickel defense, the player is assigned the DE position. He has DE responsibilities. He's called a DE.

In the zone blitz, the player is assigned the DE position. He has DE responsibilities. And he's called a DE.

This is difficult for you to grasp. I can tell. I'm sorry for that, but you'll just have to work at it.

You just haven't read anything I said .... or actually you probably have, but as is your norm, only pluck out peices that you feel you can use to bolster your side.


You are still treating the OLB as ONLY rushing from the LOS in nickle situations, when they clearly aren't limited to those situations.

Rushing from all sorts of positions and angles - including the LOS - is a responsibility of the OLB, not just an occassional nickle occurance.


But I suspect you read that, but merely ignored it because it doesn't fit your argument.

 

[theogt]

You just haven't read anything I said .... or actually you probably have, but as is your norm, only pluck out peices that you feel you can use to bolster your side.


You are still treating the OLB as ONLY rushing from the LOS in nickle situations, when they clearly aren't limited to those situations.

Rushing from all sorts of positions and angles - including the LOS - is a responsibility of the OLB, not just an occassional nickle occurance.


But I suspect you read that, but merely ignored it because it doesn't fit your argument.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. This is a bunch of nonsensical gibberish.

 

[Stautner]

I have no idea what you're talking about here. This is a bunch of nonsensical gibberish.

Really?

So in your mind our OLB's stay back behind the line of scrimmage and play the traditional, vanilla style of linebacker when not in the nickle defense, then in nickle situations they convert to DE's ....... no overlap in roles, no movement otherwise, no floating to other areas or showing other looks ...... ?

 

[theogt]

Really?

So in your mind our OLB's stay back behind the line of scrimmage and play the traditional, vanilla style of linebacker when not in the nickle defense, then in nickle situations they convert to DE's ....... no overlap in roles, no movement otherwise, no floating to other areas or showing other looks ...... ?

Huh? Where did I say any of this? I was just saying what you wrote didn't make sense. It's not logical. It doesn't flow from following this conversation. It's just a bunch of gibberish.

In our 3-4 defense the LBs have many different responsibilities. For the most part they line up very close the LOS.

 

[superpunk]

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[Stautner]

Huh? Where did I say any of this? I was just saying what you wrote didn't make sense. It's not logical. It doesn't flow from following this conversation. It's just a bunch of gibberish.

In our 3-4 defense the LBs have many different responsibilities. For the most part they line up very close the LOS.

Wow - you are tlking in circles.

I merely said that the OLB's have multiple roles and rush the QB from different spots and different angles, including rushing from the line of scrimmage. And not just in nickle situations.

What was so difficult to understand?


Of course, lets not focus on the fact that you decided all of that was gibberish, then you turned around and said vey close to the same thing in your next post as if you were saying something new.

 

[theogt]

Wow - you are tlking in circles.

I merely said that the OLB's have multiple roles and rush the QB from different spots and different angles, including rushing from the line of scrimmage. And not just in nickle situations.

What was so difficult to understand?

No, I totally understand that this is what linebackers do. And I agree. It just doesn't make sense to say that I disagree with it, because I never have.

Of course, lets not focus on the fact that you decided all of that was gibberish, then you turned around and said vey close to the same thing in your next post as if you were saying something new.

What you said isn't exactly gibberish. It's how it fits into this conversation. If I just started telling you how a internal combustion engine works, it would make sense on its own, but not in the context of the conversation.

 

[Stautner]

No, I totally understand that this is what linebackers do. And I agree. It just doesn't make sense to say that I disagree with it, because I never have.

What you said isn't exactly gibberish. It's how it fits into this conversation. If I just started telling you how a internal combustion engine works, it would make sense on its own, but not in the context of the conversation.

WOW - now here is the backpeddle of all time.

Let me remind you of a few things you have said:


No, Ware only lines up on the LOS with his hand in the dirt in nickel packages.

Note: NOW you are saying that you understand that lining up in different spots, even rushing from the LOS on any down is what LB's do ...... but that's not what you said before

He (Carp) didn't play any OLB duties in the game.

Wait - didn't you just say you understood that Rushing from the LOS is part of what LB's do ....... ?

It's not semantics. It's a different position. It lines up on a different position on the field in a different stance and has different responsibilities. It's not the same position.

Wait - didn't you just say that the OLB has multiple responsibilities ..... ?

Yes, it's only a nickel role. And simply because sometimes an OLB plays the position doesn't make him an OLB.

Yet when a D-lineman sometimes drops back behind the LOS to play in a LBer type role he is still a D-lineman.

Again, it's not just semantics. It's a different position with a different alignment in a different stance with different responsibilities. Those are all major differences. It's not just a difference in name only

Again - you just said that this is part of the role of the OLB and you never disputed that ........ hmmmmm - your words tell another tale.

 

[theogt]

WOW - now here is the backpeddle of all time.

Let me remind you of a few things you have said:


No, Ware only lines up on the LOS with his hand in the dirt in nickel packages.

Note: NOW you are saying that you understand that lining up in different spots, even rushing from the LOS on any down is what LB's do ...... but that's not what you said before

Key phrase: "hand in the dirt"

If his hand is in the dirt, we're most likely in a nickel package. I can't recall a single play where he lined up on the LOS with his hand in the dirt and it wasn't a nickel package (other than the Detroit game).

He (Carp) didn't play any OLB duties in the game.

Wait - didn't you just say you understood that Rushing from the LOS is part of what LB's do ....... ?

It is part of what OLBs do. But when Carp did it in the game he was doing it as a nickel DE.

It's not semantics. It's a different position. It lines up on a different position on the field in a different stance and has different responsibilities. It's not the same position.

Wait - didn't you just say that the OLB has multiple responsibilities ..... ?

This doesn't make sense. You're misreading what I said. The nickel DE and the 3-4 OLB are different positions. Yes, the OLB has multiple responsibilities, but what does that have to do with the two being different positions?

Yes, it's only a nickel role. And simply because sometimes an OLB plays the position doesn't make him an OLB.

Yet when a D-lineman sometimes drops back behind the LOS to play in a LBer type role he is still a D-lineman.

This is nonsensical. You're not making any sense whatsoever here.

When a DE drops into coverage in a zone blitz, he's still a DE. When an ILB plays nickel DE, he's a nickel DE. When a 3-4 DE plays nickel DE, he's a nickel DE. When a 3-4 DE plays nickel DE, he is not an OLB.

Again, it's not just semantics. It's a different position with a different alignment in a different stance with different responsibilities. Those are all major differences. It's not just a difference in name only

Again - you just said that this is part of the role of the OLB and you never disputed that ........ hmmmmm - your words tell another tale.

No, I didn't say that this is part of the role of the OLB.

 

[zeromaster]

Two scientists working on the odds that this thread will have a resolution:

 

[theogt]

Two scientists working on the odds that this thread will have a resolution:

When someone holds the position that playing nickel DE means that the person is an OLB, it's not likely that they'll be easily reasoned with. This is true.

 

[superpunk]

When someone holds the position that playing nickel DE means that the person is an OLB, it's not likely that they'll be easily reasoned with. This is true.

Mike Vrabel?

 

[zeromaster]

When someone holds the position that playing nickel DE means that the person is an OLB, it's not likely that they'll be easily reasoned with. This is true.

With over a third of the posts in the thread, I'd say you're holding up your end of the bargain.