Bradie James - Getting Better?

[Stautner]

Ok. Just so we're clear. When Hatcher lines up at nickel DE it's a different position than when Ware lines up at nickel DE. Gotcha.

I'm clear - you are muddied.

Let me ask you something - do you not realize that some positions have overlapping responsibilities?



By the way - don't think I'm the only one that has noticed that you have refused to answer these questions?


Are you telling me that when a safety covers a TE he is playing the same position as when a LB covers the TE?

Are you telling me that when Ayodele blitzes up the middle and when Roy Williams blitzes up the middle they are playing the same position?

 

[Stautner]

Except on a zone blitz when the DE has first back out responsibilities.

Exeption noted.

But this brigns up another interesting question for the ogt - in this case is the DE a LB or merely a DE fulfilling one of the requirments of his position?

 

[fortdick]

And answer this ........ does the fact that Ware starts 85% of the snaps on the LOS mean he is really a DE, Canty is really a DT, and we really play a 4-3 defense?

Actually, the 3-4 is avariation of the 5-2 Okie defense. The DE's are up and called linebackers. They have pas responsibility, so they aren;t true DE's.

Just a little stick to stir the pot.

 

[theogt]

I'm clear - you are muddied.

Let me ask you something - do you not realize that some positions have overlapping responsibilities?

What does this have to do with anything?

By the way - don't think I'm the only one that has noticed that you have refused to answer these questions?

Ok. But I don't know why they're relevant.

Are you telling me that when a safety covers a TE he is playing the same position as when a LB covers the TE?

No, I'm not telling you that.

Are you telling me that when Ayodele blitzes up the middle and when Roy Williams blitzes up the middle they are playing the same position?

No, I'm not telling you that.

 

[theogt]

Exeption noted.

But this brigns up another interesting question for the ogt - in this case is the DE a LB or merely a DE fulfilling one of the requirments of his position?

He's a DE fulfilling one of the requirements of his position.

 

[Stautner]

Actually, the 3-4 is avariation of the 5-2 Okie defense. The DE's are up and called linebackers. They have pas responsibility, so they aren;t true DE's.

Just a little stick to stir the pot.

Yeah - you are trying to stir the pot ....... quit sitting there giggling - I know that's what you are doing.

You know as well as I do that in THIS variation they are called DE's and they don't have true pass coverage responsibilites. Once in a blue moon they recognize a screen and spread wide to help contain it, but that is merely a case of great recognition and reaction - not a typical responsibility.

 

[theogt]

I don't know if it's this thread, or another one - but I'm gonna post this IM conversation I had with a friend a few minutes ago.



edit: I just noticed that I said "innings".

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92434&page=3

That one, SP.

 

[Stautner]

He's a DE fulfilling one of the requirements of his position.

Exactly - which is what Ware is doing when he slides down and rushes the QB from the line of scrimmage.

 

[theogt]

Exactly - which is what Ware is doing when he slides down and rushes the QB from the line of scrimmage.

No, there he's playing a different position.

 

[Stautner]

No, there he's playing a different position.

Ahh - so Blindzebra was right - you don't mind contradicting yourself.

 

[theogt]

Ahh - so Blindzebra was right - you don't mind contradicting yourself.

They're two different situations. It's not a contradiction.

 

[fortdick]

The catch was made closer to the sideline which is generally not an ILBs zone.

This all depends on the scheme you are running. IN a pure zone situation, the OLB would have the flats.

In a cover two situation, the Corner would take the outside man and the OLB would have the TE. ILB would cover the first back out to his side.

If you are bringing the OLB on a blitz, then the defense would roll around to that side and the Corner has flats and ILB still has first back out.

The problem with generalizations is that everyone game plans against the norm (in this case OLB's resposibility) and make syou adjust. Unless you see what everyone else was doing, you can;t say who's man it was.

 

[fortdick]

Yeah - you are trying to stir the pot ....... quit sitting there giggling - I know that's what you are doing.

It's funny, I can't help it. Maybe now he will start stalking you!

For what it is worth, you have clearly won the debate, so quit arguing with him. He never answers a questions directly and never acknowledges a point you will make. He is never wrong, and as a long as he agrees with his poistion, iot is absolutely correct.

Hard to beat that.

Ever heard the saying, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it will just frustrate you and annoy the pig."

 

[theogt]

It's funny, I can't help it. Maybe now he will start stalking you!

For what it is worth, you have clearly won the debate, so quit arguing with him. He never answers a questions directly and never acknowledges a point you will make. He is never wrong, and as a long as he agrees with his poistion, iot is absolutely correct.

Hard to beat that.

Ever heard the saying, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing, it will just frustrate you and annoy the pig."

I guess this is true because you agree with it. As long as you agree with his position, it is absolutely correct?

Hard to beat that.

 

[superpunk]

I'm still wondering what this debate is about.

Is Ware a DE, is he not a DE, does he do DE things from time to time? What are we talking about here.

*I really should have gone to sleep after the midnight release last night*

*that sounded dirty*

 

[theogt]

I'm still wondering what this debate is about.

Is Ware a DE, is he not a DE, does he do DE things from time to time? What are we talking about here.

*I really should have gone to sleep after the midnight release last night*

*that sounded dirty*

Stautner thinks that because Carpenter played nickel DE he's an OLB, since typically it's the 3-4 OLB that plays nickel DE.

My refutation was that by this logic, Hatcher is also an OLB. But his claim is that Hatcher's DE position in the nickel is different from Ware's DE position in the nickel.

 

[superpunk]

Stautner thinks that because Carpenter played nickel DE he's an OLB, since typically it's the 3-4 OLB that plays nickel DE.

My refutation was that by this logic, Hatcher is also an OLB. But his claim is that Hatcher's DE position in the nickel is different from Ware's DE position in the nickel.

My official ruling on this debate is Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I have spoken.

 

[fortdick]

I guess this is true because you agree with it. As long as you agree with his position, it is absolutely correct?

Hard to beat that.

Opps, I drew troll attention.

My bad.

 

[theogt]

My official ruling on this debate is Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I have spoken.

It is a stupid debate, but I've got this entire week off and I'm bored...and shocked by the stupidity of the argument made.

 

[theogt]

Opps, I drew troll attention.

My bad.

I think you meant, "Great! I was trolling for attention and drew some!"