Brady Quinn

[Gaede]

Troy Smith is a better QB than Quinn.

Will he be drafted before Quinn? No.

And that will be a mistake.

great post. agree all the way

 

[burmafrd]

I would love to see Troy smith drafted by the raiders or the lions. Then we will see how he copes with No O line and all sorts of other problems, like no defense and a bad organization.

 

[DIAF]

God forbid that people should form their own opinions while watching the games that don't mindlessly agree with what the experts say.

Right. You are an individual! You aren't a sheep, you don't follow..you lead! You don't take cues from anyone! You are special! Everyone else is a mindless dolt! You are a snowflake!

Please. Agreeing with a draft expert and having your point of view backed up by stats is "mindless"?

Awesome.

 

[Cochese]

I would love to see Troy smith drafted by the raiders or the lions. Then we will see how he copes with No O line and all sorts of other problems, like no defense and a bad organization.

He is a winner that comes up big when people depend on him, I wouldnt count him out no matter where he goes.

 

[TEK2000]

Right. You are an individual! You aren't a sheep, you don't follow..you lead! You don't take cues from anyone! You are special! Everyone else is a mindless dolt! You are a snowflake!

Please. Agreeing with a draft expert and having your point of view backed up by stats is "mindless"?

Awesome.

You're the one that implied that you can't argue with the experts. :jerk:

 

[NickZepp]

UCLA doesn't have as much talent as Notre Dame. They did beat USC but that was one game in a rivalry game. Oklahoma State beat OU in 2002 when OU went on to win the Big 12. Does that mean Oklahoma State was the best team in the Big 12 that year? Hell no. They lost 5 games that year.

 

[Concord]

I would love to see Troy smith drafted by the raiders or the lions. Then we will see how he copes with No O line and all sorts of other problems, like no defense and a bad organization.

People are talking bad about Quinn...

Whatever...Smith's better...Deal with it!

GO BUCKS!

 

[Cochese]

UCLA would kind of disagree about Quinn since he took it down the field in the last minute and beat them. You do remember UCLA, right? USC certainly does.

You mean that team with SIX losses on the year? That lost to the worst Florida State team in 20 years by a whopping 17 points?

What an AMAZING victory by ND, what a banner friggin season. Weis earning every cent with that one.

 

[Chuck 54]

what will be the effect on his draft status?

Zero effect...anyone who doesn't believe that Brady Quinn will be the first QB taken in round 1 and that it will probably be in the top 3, if not as the very first player taken, is insane and living under a rock.

fan or not, he will be the number 1 guy...period. He played for a lousy team with no defense, a pretty crappy OL, and a big name. When his team gave him a chance, he played very well, made things happen. Against USC and LSU, the two games I saw, he and ND had no chance and really shouldn't have been on the same field.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion about Brady Quinn, but if that opinion makes you think there's a QB in the draft who will go before Quinn, you're crazy...no way, no how, won't happen.

And....it won't even be close....I'll actually be surprised if there's another QB taken in the top 10.

 

[jackrussell]

People are talking bad about Quinn...

Whatever...Smith's better...Deal with it!

GO BUCKS!

:laugh2:

Yep, talk bad about player A, hate player B for what player A can't do....and has never done....win a big one.

If Smith goes round 1, I can see the Ravens taking him. Wouldn't that just be the kick to the groin of Brown's fans?

And given the abilities of one Ozzie Newsome, taking Smith would be a tell tale sign to the rest of the league that they had missed an opportunity.

 

[Chuck 54]

I would love to see Troy smith drafted by the raiders or the lions. Then we will see how he copes with No O line and all sorts of other problems, like no defense and a bad organization.

I'm assuming you are talking about round 2.

If Troy Smith measures out under 6', he won't be selected in round 1. If he measures out between 6' and 6'1", he might go in the second half of round 1.

Pay attention...it doesn't matter what his talent is, he will not be drafted early in round 1 without the height...that's a fact, not me saying he isn't good.

 

[Cochese]

Zero effect...anyone who doesn't believe that Brady Quinn will be the first QB taken in round 1 and that it will probably be in the top 3, if not as the very first player taken, is insane and living under a rock.

fan or not, he will be the number 1 guy...period. He played for a lousy team with no defense, a pretty crappy OL, and a big name. When his team gave him a chance, he played very well, made things happen. Against USC and LSU, the two games I saw, he and ND had no chance and really shouldn't have been on the same field.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion about Brady Quinn, but if that opinion makes you think there's a QB in the draft who will go before Quinn, you're crazy...no way, no how, won't happen.

And....it won't even be close....I'll actually be surprised if there's another QB taken in the top 10.

I think that says more about the crappy class of QB's coming out than it does about Quinn being any good.

Russell would go top 10, probably top 5 if he came out. He is bigger, faster and stronger than Quinn.

 

[Hostile]

I'm an admitted Troy Smith fan and have been involved in some of the debates here between who is the better prospect between Smith and Quinn. Obviously, I'm of the belief that Smith will do very well at the next level.

The crux of my belief has been the fact that the guy is a leader, he wins games, and in the biggest games, he plays his best.

Without question, the same cannot be said of Quinn. This year, in ND's three biggest games and against their most difficult opponents (USC, Michigan and LSU) he has failed to impress.

So my question is this: what will be the effect on his draft status? There was talk of top ten, top five if I'm not mistaken before the college football season started.
Add in if Smith has a big game Monday night - does Smith get drafted before Quinn? In other words, measurables (height, basically) over production? Especially after the success of two proven winners on the college level from last year's draft who dropped for various reasons (Leinert and Young) and their success this year?

Nothing. He was going to be the overall #1 and he still will be.

 

[Cochese]

Nothing. He was going to be the overall #1 and he still will be.

If Leinart drops after not setting a foot wrong in his college career (He lost what 2 games? Heisman trophy.).I'd be wiling to bet Quinn goes down too.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that says more about the crappy class of QB's coming out than it does about Quinn being any good.

Russell would go top 10, probably top 5 if he came out. He is bigger, faster and stronger than Quinn.

LOL..........


This is funny. This is probably one of the strongest QB classes we've seen in awhile, assuming some of the Jrs. come out.

Quinn, Russell, Brohm and maybe Stanton are all possible 1st round picks. Smith, Beck and Palko might grade out as second round talent. That leaves Kolb, Edwards, Palmer, Leak and Tate as late round options and that doesn't even consider small school talent like a Stanbeck, Brenner or Thigpen.

There is a lot of talent at the position, this year, IMO.

 

[ccb04]

Zero effect...anyone who doesn't believe that Brady Quinn will be the first QB taken in round 1 and that it will probably be in the top 3, if not as the very first player taken, is insane and living under a rock.

fan or not, he will be the number 1 guy...period. He played for a lousy team with no defense, a pretty crappy OL, and a big name. When his team gave him a chance, he played very well, made things happen. Against USC and LSU, the two games I saw, he and ND had no chance and really shouldn't have been on the same field.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion about Brady Quinn, but if that opinion makes you think there's a QB in the draft who will go before Quinn, you're crazy...no way, no how, won't happen.

And....it won't even be close....I'll actually be surprised if there's another QB taken in the top 10.

Excellent post, Wayne!

As I posted earlier ... Quinn against USC the last two years.....

538 yards passing, 4 TD's vs. 1 Int ... 95 yards rushing and 1 TD.

He put his team in position to win the game last year and the defense lost it. This year, ND's offense had the exact same number of total yards as USC (404 to 404) ... with Quinn accounting for 348 of those yards and throwing 3 TD's and 0 Int's. However, he couldn't keep up with defensive and special teams units that yeilded 44 points.

The majority of Quinn's yards and both of his TD's came in the 1st half vs. LSU ... when ND was able to keep balance on offense. Quinn brought them back from 14-0 ... and then the defense proceeded to give up 27 points on big play after big play ... Including the TD right before half, with LSU getting the ball right back to open the second half.

Also, I find it funny that people seem to want to use ND's secondary as some kind of benchmark for opposing QB's success ... because they are gawdawful. Just how awful? .....

Both Mario Manningham and Jarret scored 3 TD's apiece vs. them.

Purdue's Selwyn Lymon (who finished 4th on the team in receiving), set an all-time high vs. a ND defense when he finished the game with 8 catches for 238 yards and 2 TD's.

Two scrub WR's from UCLA and Air Force each had their 1st career 100 yard receiving games against this secondary.

Air Force's QB completed a stunning 82.7% of his passes with 2 TD's and 0 Int's vs. ND this year.

UNC's Joe Daily threw 3 TD's and 0 Int's and completed 63.6% of his passes ... a feat he couldn't replicate even against Duke.

 

[Hostile]

If Leinart drops after not setting a foot wrong in his college career (He lost what 2 games? Heisman trophy.).I'd be wiling to bet Quinn goes down too.

Yeah, but you're rooting for it to happen. That's why it's so easy for you to see it.

I hate Notre Dame, but I'm not over the top or foolish about it. The kid is the best prepared QB prospect in the nation, and QBs go high in the Draft.

There's no Reggie Bush to worry about, no Houston going to shock the world with a strange pick, etc.

Also, Leinart is a strange example since Vince Young went before him.

 

[Cochese]

LOL..........


This is funny. This is probably one of the strongest QB classes we've seen in awhile, assuming some of the Jrs. come out.

Quinn, Russell, Brohm and maybe Stanton are all possible 1st round picks. Smith, Beck and Palko might grade out as second round talent. That leaves Kolb, Edwards, Palmer, Leak and Tate as late round options and that doesn't even consider small school talent like a Stanbeck, Brenner or Thigpen.

There is a lot of talent at the position, this year, IMO.

I said the class sucks because there is no guarantee these underclassmen come out, and until they declare, its very unimpressive.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I'm an admitted Troy Smith fan and have been involved in some of the debates here between who is the better prospect between Smith and Quinn. Obviously, I'm of the belief that Smith will do very well at the next level.

The crux of my belief has been the fact that the guy is a leader, he wins games, and in the biggest games, he plays his best.

Without question, the same cannot be said of Quinn. This year, in ND's three biggest games and against their most difficult opponents (USC, Michigan and LSU) he has failed to impress.

So my question is this: what will be the effect on his draft status? There was talk of top ten, top five if I'm not mistaken before the college football season started.
Add in if Smith has a big game Monday night - does Smith get drafted before Quinn? In other words, measurables (height, basically) over production? Especially after the success of two proven winners on the college level from last year's draft who dropped for various reasons (Leinert and Young) and their success this year?

Shah .. And Monkeys will fly out of my butt.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I said the class sucks because there is no guarantee these underclassmen come out, and until they declare, its very unimpressive.

OK, fair enough. I don't really agree but that's cool.

So are you saying if the Juniors come out, it ends up being a pretty strong class?