Brady Quinn

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I hope EVERY junior ( or redshirt Sophmore ex. Sidney Rice) with a first or second round grade comes out. It will only deepen draft pool.. A high value pick might be there when Dallas picks.

 

[Concord]

:laugh2:

Yep, talk bad about player A, hate player B for what player A can't do....and has never done....win a big one.

If Smith goes round 1, I can see the Ravens taking him. Wouldn't that just be the kick to the groin of Brown's fans?

And given the abilities of one Ozzie Newsome, taking Smith would be a tell tale sign to the rest of the league that they had missed an opportunity.

It's always tear the other guy down.

Quinn is a good QB. Should he be the #1 Troy Aikman like pick? I don't think so.

Is Smith that? YES!

Just Kidding.

Will Smith be picked ahead of Quinn? NO!

But that means nothing. The NFL Draft is littered with players who should have been drafted ahead of so and so but weren't and it was a huge mistake.

Blair Thomas over Emmitt Smith anyone?

GO BUCKS!​

 

[Cochese]

OK, fair enough. I don't really agree but that's cool.

So are you saying if the Juniors come out, it ends up being a pretty strong class?

The juniors will be what makes it. Stanton was a horrible disapointment this season. Him and Palko and the like arent going to light up anyones eyes on draft day. Im not even impressed with the late round QB's you mentioned. Palmer is an interception machine, Leak never impressed despite the huge hype around him, Drew Tate is another QB that lists at 6'0" and he regressed after last years phenominal season. As far as Kolb, Ive never watched Houston, but I know he had alot of hype going into the year.

 

[Concord]

If Leinart drops after not setting a foot wrong in his college career (He lost what 2 games? Heisman trophy.).I'd be wiling to bet Quinn goes down too.

Yep they mentioned this during the game.

If Leinart can drop...anyone can.

Smith is better anyway.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The juniors will be what makes it. Stanton was a horrible disapointment this season. Him and Palko and the like arent going to light up anyones eyes on draft day. Im not even impressed with the late round QB's you mentioned. Palmer is an interception machine, Leak never impressed despite the huge hype around him, Drew Tate is another QB that lists at 6'0" and he regressed after last years phenominal season. As far as Kolb, Ive never watched Houston, but I know he had alot of hype going into the year.

OK, so I'll take this to mean that yeah, if the Juniors declare, it will be a strong class. OK, so if they declare and Quinn is still rated as the best QB on the board, how is it different?

As far as Stanton, goes, he was basically hurt all year and playing on a very poor team but that's fine. If Stanton has a good combine, you can bet that he will get a high grade from talent scouts. His Jr year was pretty good and even this year, he wasn't horrible. He'll grade out well if he has a good combine. As for Palko, he too will grade out well if he has a good Combine. Palko has produced well. He doesn't throw INTs and he he throws a lot of TDs. That's always going to be a good thing. Good Combine and he will grade well but that's the same for all of these guys. Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO. Palmer will be draft, IMO, because he has all the physical skills. He hasn't played much QB so somebody may take him as a developmental QB. I would not be surprised at all.

Kolb is a 4 year starter who has thrown for 13 thousand yards in his career. He is a career 61.3% passer with a TD to INT ratio of 85/31. He has a career QB rating of something like 144.6 All this with a total sacked number of 128 over 4 years. If he has a good Combine, somebody is going to look at him. The issue for him will be the offense he played in. Can he do it from under center. That's the big knock on him.

Drew Tate, if he's drafted will be as a developmental QB as well. Again, combine will be huge for him.

The point is, at least to me, there are several prospects that could be available and regardless of how many underclassman come out, Quinn is still going to be the top rated QB, more then likely.

 

[Concord]

Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

That's BS...Beside the fact that I doubt very seriously that he has a bad combine...This is a Guy who has led a Major Program to some of it's biggest wins in School History and thrown for more TD's than any QB in school history and played his best in the Biggest games against the biggest opponents in school history and has shown MAJOR improvement in his QB skills from year 2 to 4.

The guy is a QB...NOT a RB...NOT a WR...He's the QB on the best team in the Nation and he's been the reason why Ohio St is where it is.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's BS...Beside the fact that I doubt very seriously that he has a bad combine...This is a Guy who has led a Major Program to some of it's biggest wins in School History and thrown for more TD's than any QB in school history and played his best in the Biggest games against the biggest opponents in school history and has shown MAJOR improvement in his QB skills from year 2 to 4.

The guy is a QB...NOT a RB...NOT a WR...He's the QB on the best team in the Nation and he's been the reason why Ohio St is where it is.

What ever you say. If this is what you would like to believe, then you just go right ahead and do that.

 

[Concord]

What ever you say. If this is what you would like to believe, then you just go right ahead and do that.

I will...because what you're saying is a bunch of crap.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I will...because what you're saying is a bunch of crap.

LOL......

Oh really? OK, well, let me just understand your reasoning here. Your saying that because Smith has played in so many big games, he holds all the passing records for OSU that he would get drafted regardless of how he does in the Combine. Would it then be fair to say that he could skip the combine and just take his chances with the draft?

I mean, after all, "The Ohio State University" has produced so many great passers who have gone on to play in the NFL right?

Lets just have a look at who Smith has eclipsed at OSU to become the best passer you've ever had there, shall we?

Since the Modern inception of the NFL (Lets call it 1964) here are a list of QBs that OHIO STATE has sent to the NFL.

1971 Ron Macijowski 15th Rd 12th pk
1971 Rex Kern 10th Rd 26th pk
1974 Greg Hare 8th Rd 21st pk
1976 Cornelius Greene 11th Rd, 27th pk
1982 Art Schlichter 1st Rd, 4th pk
1987 Jim Karsatos 12th Rd, 15th pk
1988 Tom Tupa (who was really a punter) 3rd Rd, 13th pk
1992 Kent Graham 8th Rd, 15th pk
1996 Bobby Hoying 3rd Rd, 24th pk
1999 Joe Germaine 4th Rd, 6th pk
2002 Steve Bellisari 6th Rd, 33rd pk
2004 Craig Krenzel 5th Rd, 16th pk

There it is. A regular Juggernaut of QB talent.

So, in over 40 years of football, OSU has sent exactly 13 QBs to the NFL (really 12)? They have produced one 1st round talent (who basically failed) and has produce not a single starting QB in the history of the modern NFL.

OK, well, I can see where your coming from with all the records and stuff.

 

[Concord]

LOL......

Oh really? OK, well, let me just understand your reasoning here. Your saying that because Smith has played in so many big games, he holds all the passing records for OSU that he would get drafted regardless of how he does in the Combine. Would it then be fair to say that he could skip the combine and just take his chances with the draft?

I mean, after all, "The Ohio State University" has produced so many great passers who have gone on to play in the NFL right?

Lets just have a look at who Smith has eclipsed at OSU to become the best passer you've ever had there, shall we?

Since the Modern inception of the NFL (Lets call it 1964) here are a list of QBs that OHIO STATE has sent to the NFL.

1971 Ron Macijowski 15th Rd 12th pk
1971 Rex Kern 10th Rd 26th pk
1974 Greg Hare 8th Rd 21st pk
1976 Cornelius Greene 11th Rd, 27th pk
1982 Art Schlichter 1st Rd, 4th pk
1987 Jim Karsatos 12th Rd, 15th pk
1988 Tom Tupa (who was really a punter) 3rd Rd, 13th pk
1992 Kent Graham 8th Rd, 15th pk
1996 Bobby Hoying 3rd Rd, 24th pk
1999 Joe Germaine 4th Rd, 6th pk
2002 Steve Bellisari 6th Rd, 33rd pk
2004 Craig Krenzel 5th Rd, 16th pk

There it is. A regular Juggernaut of QB talent.

So, in over 40 years of football, OSU has sent exactly 13 QBs to the NFL (really 12)? They have produced one 1st round talent (who basically failed) and has produce not a single starting QB in the history of the modern NFL.

OK, well, I can see where your coming from with all the records and stuff.

No this...

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

Is what I'm calling BS...and Crap.

You are saying that if Smith has a bad Combine that no matter what he did at Ohio St he's not going to be drafted as a QB as if it's a matter of fact!

I say BS...You're full of Crap.

Brady Quinn who's supposed to be the #1 pick has 37 Td's and 7 int's

Troy Smith with still a game to play has 30 Td's and 5 picks and has played his best in his biggest games...But IF he has a bad Combine it's a Fact that he won't be drafted as a QB.:laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No this...

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

Is what I'm calling BS...and Crap.

You are saying that if Smith has a bad Combine that no matter what he did at Ohio St he's not going to be drafted as a QB as if it's a matter of fact!

I say BS...You're full of Crap.

No, I'm saying that if Smith does not have a good combine, he may not get drafted as a QB. It's not a guarantee. In addition to that, if he doesn't get drafted in the top couple of rounds, there's no assurance he will even make a team. No guaranted contract.

Which brings us full circle. If you wish to believe that Smith is going to be a top draft prospect at the QB position, be my guest. If that is what you want to believe, you do that.

Nobodies going to hold it against you. After all, your a OSU homer. It's pretty much expected.

 

[Vintage]

Because Smith would make a fine....?

What? What besides QB would he play? Just bec. he has athleticism doesn't mean he can be anything.

Smith is a QB, plain and simple.

I'll bet my life he gets drafted as a QB.

 

[jackrussell]

Quinn, Russell, Brohm and maybe Stanton are all possible 1st round picks. Smith, Beck and Palko might grade out as second round talent.

Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

Well you certainly can cover your arse with the best of them!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because Smith would make a fine....?

What? What besides QB would he play? Just bec. he has athleticism doesn't mean he can be anything.

Smith is a QB, plain and simple.

I'll bet my life he gets drafted as a QB.

Hey, that's fine. Guys who have played QB there whole life get drafted into the NFL as DBs, WRs, whatever. I mean, doesn't really matter to me. He will or he won't. Simple as that.

 

[Concord]

No, I'm saying that if Smith does not have a good combine, he may not get drafted as a QB. It's not a guarantee. In addition to that, if he doesn't get drafted in the top couple of rounds, there's no assurance he will even make a team. No guaranted contract.

Which brings us full circle. If you wish to believe that Smith is going to be a top draft prospect at the QB position, be my guest. If that is what you want to believe, you do that.

Nobodies going to hold it against you. After all, your a OSU homer. It's pretty much expected.

That looks a whole lot different than this...

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

That reads like a guarantee...matter of fact to me.

I think that Smith will go in the 2 or 3rd round and it will be later than he should go.

Someones going to get a good QB.

I'm not a Homer...Never have been.

Krenzel won a National Championship...But I wasn't going to tell you he was great.

Smith is different.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well you certainly can cover your arse with the best of them!

Hey, thanks Jack.

Coming from you, that means absolutly nothing.



Hey, look on the bright side, maybe Smith will get drafted by Ozzie in the first round.

 

[NickZepp]

Smith will be an NFL QB and a first round pick most likely but I don't think he'll be a great one. He's just too short.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That looks a whole lot different than this...

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

That reads like a guarantee...matter of fact to me.

I think that Smith will go in the 2 or 3rd round and it will be later than he should go.

Someones going to get a good QB.

I'm not a Homer...Never have been.

Krenzel won a National Championship...But I wasn't going to tell you he was great.

Smith is different.

GO BUCKS!

In fact, it doesn't look a whole lot differnt at all. I clearly said in an earlier post that I thought Smith was probably a 2nd round talent, if he showed well at the combine.

All this BS that has been coming forward since is homer. You read that post yet you elected to pick up and run with the statement you bolded. I clearly stated my opinion on the subject. You made your own inturpritation. That's fine, it's a message board and that's how it goes.

Maybe Smith is different, maybe he isn't. We will see. Believe what you want. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

 

[Concord]

In fact, it doesn't look a whole lot differnt at all. I clearly said in an earlier post that I thought Smith was probably a 2nd round talent, if he showed well at the combine.

All this BS that has been coming forward since is homer. You read that post yet you elected to pick up and run with the statement you bolded. I clearly stated my opinion on the subject. You made your own inturpritation. That's fine, it's a message board and that's how it goes.

Maybe Smith is different, maybe he isn't. We will see. Believe what you want. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

So if he shows well at the combine he can be a 2nd round QB... Cause he isn't going out for any other position...

But if he has a Bad combine...He will not get drafted as a QB at all.:laugh2:

OK.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So if he shows well at the combine he can be a 2nd round QB... Cause he isn't going out for any other position...

But if he has a Bad combine...He will not get drafted as a QB at all.:laugh2:

OK.

GO BUCKS!

Like I said, write it how you want, believe what you want. In the end, the proof will be in the combine and where he goes. I think he's going to measure in at less then 6 feet. If he does, he's going to have to show well, IMO.