Brady Quinn

[Concord]

Like I said, write it how you want, believe what you want. In the end, the proof will be in the combine and where he goes. I think he's going to measure in at less then 6 feet. If he does, he's going to have to show well, IMO.

I'll write it and Believe Smith gets drafted as a QB and Later than he should.

Draft mistakes are made and this will be one of them.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I write it as Smith gets drafted as a QB and Later than he should.

Draft mistakes are made and this will be one of them.

GO BUCKS!

LOL....


Let me just run right out and do that for you.

Honestly, this is rediculous. I have no dog in this fight. This discussion started about which QB would be drafted higher. My opinion is that it will be Quinn.

I do believe that Smith has skills but I also believe that he is not all that tall. Like it or not, that's going to make a difference. Not my rule, just how it works. If he does measure in short, he's going to have to have a very good combine to get drafted in the 2nd round IMO. If he doesn't, he definatly runs the risk of not being to play QB IMO. Quick question, how many Starting QBs in the NFL under 6 Ft.?

I can think of two and actually, they are both listed right at 6 ft. One is Michael Vick and the other is Drew Brees. Let me just say that Troy Smith is no Mike Vick. I'd go further and say that I don't think he's as good as Brees was coming out either. Brees was a much more accomplished QB, coming out then is Smith IMO. Even so, he was still a second round pick. Now, this is just my opinion and that's fine. I'm willing to wait and see what happens. If I'm wrong, I live with it but I doubt I will be.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think that says more about the crappy class of QB's coming out than it does about Quinn being any good.

Russell would go top 10, probably top 5 if he came out. He is bigger, faster and stronger than Quinn.

Russell wouldn't go that highly because he's careless with the football...he is a great talent, but those come and go every year. Coming out early with his track record of throwing the ball to the opposition would be foolish. If he wants to be at the top, he needs to come back next year and show that he has quit the impulsive throws that get picked. His team was far superior to ND, but he didn't help his cause with some of his decisions.

 

[Cochese]

Russell wouldn't go that highly because he's careless with the football...he is a great talent, but those come and go every year. Coming out early with his track record of throwing the ball to the opposition would be foolish. If he wants to be at the top, he needs to come back next year and show that he has quit the impulsive throws that get picked. His team was far superior to ND, but he didn't help his cause with some of his decisions.

He threw 8 picks this year. Thats not that big of deal. Its a Big difference playing in the SEC than the independant schedule ND runs. Quinn turned the ball over agains the good defenses he faced. That running away off the back foot floater to the LSU player shows that Quinn has the potential for bonehead turnovers too. And lets not forget his gifting Michigan 21 points from his stupid mistakes.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

He threw 8 picks this year. Thats not that big of deal. Its a Big difference playing in the SEC than the independant schedule ND runs. Quinn turned the ball over agains the good defenses he faced. That running away off the back foot floater to the LSU player shows that Quinn has the potential for bonehead turnovers too. And lets not forget his gifting Michigan 21 points from his stupid mistakes.

Agreed!

 

[Concord]

LOL....


Let me just run right out and do that for you.

Honestly, this is rediculous. I have no dog in this fight. This discussion started about which QB would be drafted higher. My opinion is that it will be Quinn.

I do believe that Smith has skills but I also believe that he is not all that tall. Like it or not, that's going to make a difference. Not my rule, just how it works. If he does measure in short, he's going to have to have a very good combine to get drafted in the 2nd round IMO. If he doesn't, he definatly runs the risk of not being to play QB IMO. Quick question, how many Starting QBs in the NFL under 6 Ft.?

I can think of two and actually, they are both listed right at 6 ft. One is Michael Vick and the other is Drew Brees. Let me just say that Troy Smith is no Mike Vick. I'd go further and say that I don't think he's as good as Brees was coming out either. Brees was a much more accomplished QB, coming out then is Smith IMO. Even so, he was still a second round pick. Now, this is just my opinion and that's fine. I'm willing to wait and see what happens. If I'm wrong, I live with it but I doubt I will be.

So now he can be Drafted as a QB based on his skills...But he will not be drafted as a QB based on his Height?

You're right Smith is no Vick...He's a better passer and that's what the Coach Killer lacks.

Brees...Smith will have to get better as a Pro to be mentioned with him.

GO BUCKS!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So now he can be Drafted as a QB based on his skills...But he will not be drafted as a QB based on his Height?

You're right Smith is no Vick...He's a better passer and that's what the Coach Killer lacks.

Brees...Smith will have to get better as a Pro to be mentioned with him.

GO BUCKS!

Not now, always. Your just struggling to tread water here so your throwing this kinda of stuff out.

Smith is no Vick. Has nothing to do with his passing. The major difference in the two is that Vick was a clear cut 1st player taken and Smith is not considered a 1st round pick. There in lies the difference.

But you know that don't you?

 

[Concord]

Not now, always. Your just struggling to tread water here so your throwing this kinda of stuff out.

Smith is no Vick. Has nothing to do with his passing. The major difference in the two is that Vick was a clear cut 1st player taken and Smith is not considered a 1st round pick. There in lies the difference.

But you know that don't you?

The only thing that Coach Killer has on Smith is people were stupid enough to draft him first.

I think anyone with a Brain wouldn't do it again.

Smith is a better passer than Vick and people who watch film will see that.

I NEVER said Smith was going to be a First round pick let alone a First pick overall.

Treading Water? Is Smith going to be Drafted as a QB or NOT.

Yes or No?

So we can put a end to this nonsense.

I say Yes.

You? Just so we can get it on the record.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only thing that Coach Killer has on Smith is people were stupid enough to draft him first.

I think anyone with a Brain wouldn't do it again.

Smith is a better passer than Vick and people who watch film will see that.

I NEVER said Smith was going to be a First round pick let alone a First pick overall.

Treading Water? Is Smith going to be Drafted as a QB or NOT.

Yes or No?

So we can put a end to this nonsense.

I say Yes.

You? Just so we can get it on the record.

God Lord, how can you go through this whole thread and still not get it. It's not about how good Vick is or Smith might be. It's about perception. Smith is not and will never be regarded the same way Vick was.

If Smith has a good combine, the chances of him getting drafted are good. If he doesn't, I can't honestly say that he will be.

I've been on the record from the start. You just refuse to acknowledge that.

 

[Concord]

God Lord, how can you go through this whole thread and still not get it. It's not about how good Vick is or Smith might be. It's about perception. Smith is not and will never be regarded the same way Vick was.

If Smith has a good combine, the chances of him getting drafted are good. If he doesn't, I can't honestly say that he will be.
I've been on the record from the start. You just refuse to acknowledge that.

Good God..I haven't read the whole thread and I'm not going too.

You said at one point that if Smith had a bad combine he would NOT be drafted as a QB.

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

I said BS! And gave you reasons why.

Then you back tracked and said...

No, I'm saying that if Smith does not have a good combine, he may not get drafted as a QB. It's not a guarantee.

My point with you is YOU said if he has a bad combine he will in Fact NOT be drafted as a QB.

I think you're WRONG!

I asked you to put it on the line...Period. And make a call..yes or no...Is he going to be drafted as a QB?

I say Regardless of his Combine workout...He's drafted as a QB.

Now you're saying that if he doesn't have a good workout that he may not even be drafted at all forget about QB?

 

[DIAF]

Good God..I haven't read the whole thread and I'm not going too.

You said at one point that if Smith had a bad combine he would NOT be drafted as a QB.

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Let me just tell you, if Smith has a bad combine, he won't be drafted as a QB. That's the fact of the matter IMO.

I said BS! And gave you reasons why.

Then you back tracked and said...

No, I'm saying that if Smith does not have a good combine, he may not get drafted as a QB. It's not a guarantee.

My point with you is YOU said if he has a bad combine he will in Fact NOT be drafted as a QB.

I think you're WRONG!

I asked you to put it on the line...Period. And make a call..yes or no...Is he going to be drafted as a QB?

I say Regardless of his Combine workout...He's drafted as a QB.

Now you're saying that if he doesn't have a good workout that he may not even be drafted at all forget about QB?

Oh jesus christ. Let it go already. This is just like the Romo Defense Force, say something negative or critical and they sound the call to arms. Regardless of how awesome you think Troy Smith is, he's not going to be a 1st round pick. It's ok. I hear that players picked in other rounds actually DO sometimes make the rosters of NFL teams!

 

[alancdc]

I'm an admitted Troy Smith fan and have been involved in some of the debates here between who is the better prospect between Smith and Quinn. Obviously, I'm of the belief that Smith will do very well at the next level.

The crux of my belief has been the fact that the guy is a leader, he wins games, and in the biggest games, he plays his best.

Without question, the same cannot be said of Quinn. This year, in ND's three biggest games and against their most difficult opponents (USC, Michigan and LSU) he has failed to impress.

So my question is this: what will be the effect on his draft status? There was talk of top ten, top five if I'm not mistaken before the college football season started.
Add in if Smith has a big game Monday night - does Smith get drafted before Quinn? In other words, measurables (height, basically) over production? Especially after the success of two proven winners on the college level from last year's draft who dropped for various reasons (Leinert and Young) and their success this year?

Let me say first that I think Smith is probably the best QB in COLLEGE. He won big games. He is on a team that has great players. That is not his fault. Will Smith be a good pro? Not sure, but history is not on his side with his size. Flutie was a "pretty" good leader and won his share of "big" games in college as well, but he couldn't grow. Despite all the ND hype I don't think Quinn is surrounded with very good tallent. Samarga, I know that's not right but it is too late to find it, is a very good receiver, but that is about it. I say put him at So Cal, or Ohio State, and Quinn is probably looking good as well. I think Smith has shown ON HIS TEAM to be the better college player, but to me, Quinn has the chance to be a better pro. NO I AM NOT AN IRISH FAN, but a long suffering NC State fan! Good luch to Phillip Rivers as well, had to get that in!

 

[mmillman]

barring injury there is no way Quinn is not drafted before Smith

 

[alancdc]

barring injury there is no way Quinn is not drafted before Smith

Agree.

 

[Concord]

Oh jesus christ. Let it go already. This is just like the Romo Defense Force, say something negative or critical and they sound the call to arms. Regardless of how awesome you think Troy Smith is, he's not going to be a 1st round pick. It's ok. I hear that players picked in other rounds actually DO sometimes make the rosters of NFL teams!

I didn't say that he wasn't going to be drafted as a QB.

But when I read that in his post I'm going to call BS and I did.

And if you going to post to me about this get your facts straight. I NEVER said he was going to be a First round pick...or that he was going to be picked before Quinn. I said probably 2nd or 3rd round. And that someones going to get a good QB.

Defending whether a guy is going to be Drafted as a QB is totally different than saying he's going to be picked in the first round. Get it.

 

[jackrussell]

Hey, thanks Jack.

Coming from you, that means absolutly nothing.

Well now you went and hurt my feelwings...it was really important that...even if it was just a wee little bit....I meant something to you...and now...my dreams are dashed.

This will be so hard to get over.

 

[nicodywill]

do ya'll think smith will be under center on sundays. sometimes i wonder

 

[nicodywill]

he might play QB but i hardly see him being any better than vick. i mean he's a great talent but he is playing in college ya know

 

[alancdc]

he might play QB but i hardly see him being any better than vick. i mean he's a great talent but he is playing in college ya know

Just curious. Why are we comparing him to Vick? He rarely scrambles, and I thought he was a good bit shorter than Vick?

 

[Hostile]

I have said for the whole year that the biggest strike against Smith will be when he is measured at the Combine and comes in under 6 feet tall. Everything else about the kid is what you look for in a QB. That could scare some teams off.