Breakdown of Garrett's record

[Irvin88_4life]

Miami, TB, and Atlanta have our number for some reason... Thanks for the post.

Miami and Tampa have our number? Garrett has winning records against both those teams

 

[CowboyRoy]

No doubt not drafting an elite QB was Bills downfall here. I agree!

He has always preached about being happy with just a bus driver. Fatally flawed roster building downfall. Sad.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jerry had already name Garrett” the future of the Cowboys”. I really can’t see any reason he’d need to “ weasel “ something that was already his to inherit.

Getting rid of Wade as quickly as possible was in his best interest. Garrett the air apparent? Lol

How has that decision turned out? Only jones could claim something so laughable. Is it an wonder this team has a few playoff wins in the last 20years?

 

[CATCH17]

No but the better QBs often rise up from a mistake like that and over a full season are very good. No one is infallible. Sometimes **** happens.

But 7 years in, it’s hard to continue to take the constant excuses seriously. Eventually a great coach rises up. Let me guess, you’ve pretty much already given him a pass in 2018 if he fails to make the playoffs because I suspect you think he’s got a young, flawed team with all new coaches, right?

Garrett has one playoff win. One.

Exactly.

Time has shown us exactly what Jason Garrett is.

Debating whether or not if this guy is any good at this point is silly.

If he were a Championship coach he would’ve shown it by now and he will be a total outlier statisically if he somehow pulls it off after going this long without success.

Jason Garrett is Marvin Lewis of the NFC.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Let me guess, you’ve pretty much already given him a pass in 2018 if he fails to make the playoffs because I suspect you think he’s got a young, flawed team with all new coaches, right?

Actually, my suspicion is that if the team fails to make the playoffs this season, Garrett will be out- especially in the absence of major injuries. While not without a few weak spots, the team looks mostly solid to me if healthy. My main question is the QB.

The coaching should be judged in light of what are reasonable expectations given the roster that exists. For example, I might say the team should win 10 games this year, and if they only win 8, the coaching should change. But- if Dak goes down for the season in week 2, and Zeke gets suspended in week 4, then my opinion changes. That is my whole point in this thread, lots of factors impact the results, and should not be ignored. Many shades of grey here, but some only see the black and white. Remember, the pitchforks were out for Romo too- and during his best years. When a game was lost, all people remembered was that fumble or interception.

According to spotrac, the Cowboys had the 5th highest dead money in the league for 2017, at about $26.7 million. For 2018, the Cowboys have the 2nd most dead money, at about $23.2M. Heck-of-a-lot of money wasted on players not even on the roster. Not the thing that you want to be among the league leaders in! Remember Cedric Thornton? He just worked out for the Eagles. We signed him to a 4 year deal, but cut him after one. 3 years later, he will still count $2.5M against our cap. We just let a free agent DT walk (Terrell McClain) and sign with the Falcons for $4M. That dead money could have added a lot of depth to this team. Last season we saw just how valuable that depth can be, and how costly its absence.

 

[TwentyOne]

your looking at the bubbles? ok

No i looked at both. As i wrote.

 

[Diehardblues]

Getting rid of Wade as quickly as possible was in his best interest. Garrett the air apparent? Lol

How has that decision turned out? Only jones could claim something so laughable. Is it an wonder this team has a few playoff wins in the last 20years?

While I’ve maintained my criticism of Jerry I also continue to hold him directly responsible using his guidance as the bar.

Jerry has no doubt gone to extreme measures to protect Garrett unlike any other HC in the Jerry era. To Jerry it’s worked out just fine. Our evaluation and priorities and Jerry’s are quite different.

And whether we like it or not there’s no denying Jerry had big plans for Jason from the beginning naming him” the future of the Cowboys”.

 

[Diehardblues]

He has always preached about being happy with just a bus driver. Fatally flawed roster building downfall. Sad.

Bills team were always built around a dominating defense with a strong running game and a Bus Driver type. Remember he won a SB with a backup QB in Hostetler.

And in his first year here which was the last year we’ve had a top defense which took Quincy Carter to the playoffs.

It’s like I’ve always said. You need either an elite QB or dominating defense to be a serious SB contender. Right now we have neither.

A dominating running game and elite RB without the elite defense or QB will only carry you so far until you go up against the teams that have one.

Initially in 2016 it looked like we had found both the elite QB and RB. Now I’m not so sure. We’ll know more this year. But our success now and moving forward will be determined by it. And I also hold out the possibility we could build that defense to lessen the pressure on our QB.

I’m not a fan that tries to be overly optimistic about the future instead analyzing what I’ve seen in the current state of affairs . Reality. It’s all based on the results and why they matter.
Seeing is believing !!

 

[Diehardblues]

Exactly.

Time has shown us exactly what Jason Garrett is.

Debating whether or not if this guy is any good at this point is silly.

If he were a Championship coach he would’ve shown it by now and he will be a total outlier statisically if he somehow pulls it off after going this long without success.

Jason Garrett is Marvin Lewis of the NFC.

Remember what the Bengals were before Lewis arrived . This is where ownership often has a different set of priorities than fans.

Lewis has taken the Bengals to the playoffs as much as the rest of their franchise history.

We see playoff futility and they see a consistent contender. It’s all relative and taking ownerships view into consideration is critical when measuring their success.

Much like with Jerry. While Garrett hasn’t had the peaks of championship appearances he hasn’t had the valleys of 3 straight 5-11 or 1-7.

It’s much easier to promote hope, sell tickets and merchandise with 3 straight 8-8 than 5-11.

 

[Hayseed]

More and more I get the sense that this upcoming season is Jasons last roundup! He either takes us DEEP into the playoffs,....... OR HE IS GONE! And thats absolutely the way it should be. Like Romo said,... the game is a Meritocracy. Goes for coaches too. I mean,.... thats just life. You either PRODUCE........ or GET OUT! No free rides and no time for slackers and non hackers.

 

[Captain-Crash]

he's the best coach ever. and Roger said he's getting better....

 

[Diehardblues]

More and more I get the sense that this upcoming season is Jasons last roundup! He either takes us DEEP into the playoffs,....... OR HE IS GONE! And thats absolutely the way it should be. Like Romo said,... the game is a Meritocracy. Goes for coaches too. I mean,.... thats just life. You either PRODUCE........ or GET OUT! No free rides and no time for slackers and non hackers.

Based on the seasons predictions by most handicappers, oddsmakers and analysts few are seeing us make the playoffs while they do see us contending for them.

I’m not sure why some fans have a different view and measuring stick?

If you aren’t expected to win your division then your left contending for two remaining WC slots with much more proven teams.

This ultimatum some fans appear to place on the seasons results don’t align with Reality.

 

[Hayseed]

Based on the seasons predictions by most handicappers, oddsmakers and analysts few are seeing us make the playoffs while they do see us contending for them.

I’m not sure why some fans have a different view and measuring stick?

If you aren’t expected to win your division then your left contending for two remaining WC slots with much more proven teams.

This ultimatum some fans appear to place on the seasons results don’t align with Reality.

But when you look at a coach you have to look at his whole body of work. Him not making the playoffs this season would be in addition to the many other failures and poor seasons. A cumulative effort on his part...LOL I mean really,..... how long does he get exactly? In the old days coaches always had a five year plan and were accordingly given 5 year contracts to either produce or GET OUT. Jason is well past that now. In the modern NFL everything is accelerated , its a WIN NOW league. Now a coach is getting 3 MAYBE four years. This will be Garretts NINTH season as head coach now. C,mon..........This is getting to the point of ridiculous now.

 

[Diehardblues]

But when you look at a coach you have to look at his whole body of work. Him not making the playoffs this season would be in addition to the many other failures and poor seasons. A cumulative effort on his part...LOL I mean really,..... how long does he get exactly? In the old days coaches always had a five year plan and were accordingly given 5 year contracts to either produce or GET OUT. Jason is well past that now. In the modern NFL everything is accelerated , its a WIN NOW league. Now a coach is getting 3 MAYBE four years. This will be Garretts NINTH season as head coach now. C,mon..........This is getting to the point of ridiculous now.

I’m not promoting Garrett’s record is worthy of remaining here.

I’m offering why Jerry will see it that way which ultimately is the barometer.

We can’t measure our franchise to the rest of the NFL. We have a unique situation here.

 

[Hayseed]

I’m not promoting Garrett’s record is worthy of remaining here.

I’m offering why Jerry will see it that way which ultimately is the barometer.

We can’t measure our franchise to the rest of the NFL. We have a unique situation here.

I hear you. I just think that now its finally to the point where even JERRY will have to agree that its time to make a move............ Unless Garrett finally produces that is.

 

[Diehardblues]

I hear you. I just think that now its finally to the point where even JERRY will have to agree that its time to make a move............ Unless Garrett finally produces that is.

Of course but my analysis is based more on what I think Jerry will do not what we should do.

What’s Jerry going to move on to? Linehan? You think he’ll make a better puppet for Jerry?

In Jerry’s mind Garrett’s already producing.

 

[Sydla]

Actually, my suspicion is that if the team fails to make the playoffs this season, Garrett will be out- especially in the absence of major injuries. While not without a few weak spots, the team looks mostly solid to me if healthy. My main question is the QB.

The coaching should be judged in light of what are reasonable expectations given the roster that exists. For example, I might say the team should win 10 games this year, and if they only win 8, the coaching should change. But- if Dak goes down for the season in week 2, and Zeke gets suspended in week 4, then my opinion changes. That is my whole point in this thread, lots of factors impact the results, and should not be ignored. Many shades of grey here, but some only see the black and white. Remember, the pitchforks were out for Romo too- and during his best years. When a game was lost, all people remembered was that fumble or interception.

According to spotrac, the Cowboys had the 5th highest dead money in the league for 2017, at about $26.7 million. For 2018, the Cowboys have the 2nd most dead money, at about $23.2M. Heck-of-a-lot of money wasted on players not even on the roster. Not the thing that you want to be among the league leaders in! Remember Cedric Thornton? He just worked out for the Eagles. We signed him to a 4 year deal, but cut him after one. 3 years later, he will still count $2.5M against our cap. We just let a free agent DT walk (Terrell McClain) and sign with the Falcons for $4M. That dead money could have added a lot of depth to this team. Last season we saw just how valuable that depth can be, and how costly its absence.

I would think a team that won 12 games in 2014 and 13 games in 2016 should do better than just one playoff win over those two seasons. I would also think a team that played with a franchise QB in Romo, should make the playoffs more than once in 4 years.

I don't think those are outrageous expectations for a competent head coach.

You simply are more willing to make excuses for Garrett. That's patently obvious at this point.

 

[Little Jr]

Winning % of teams he has a winning record against.

AFC- 44%
NFC-43%
Overall - 43.5%

Winning % of team's he has a losing record against

AFC- 59%
NFC-59%
Overall - 59%

Winning % of teams he has .500 record against

AFC- 52%
NFC- 50%
Overall - 51%

So he beats bad team's, losses against good teams and is .500 against other .500 teams.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would think a team that won 12 games in 2014 and 13 games in 2016 should do better than just one playoff win over those two seasons. I would also think a team that played with a franchise QB in Romo, should make the playoffs more than once in 4 years.

I don't think those are outrageous expectations for a competent head coach.

You simply are more willing to make excuses for Garrett. That's patently obvious at this point.

Unless those seasons were optimizing a situation?

 

[Sydla]

Unless those seasons were optimizing a situation?

LOL.