Browns trade rumors

[DBOY3141]

That's the worst scenario for me. I think it means you're stuck with neither quarterback, and likely no trade offers. Then I think you're looking at one of the two Ohio State guys, Bosa or Elliott. Hope for the best.



Personally, I'd give up next year's #1 if it was for Goff, not for Wentz. But that's just me. I'd decline the deal and hope Tunsil was there at #4. Is that an option or am I stuck taking the trade?




Take the quarterback. Hopefully, it's Goff, but I'd be happy with Wentz too and hopeful that Romo could help him to develop his talents.

I think option 1, they would go Ramsey. Seems Broddus and crew think that.

Option 2, that's just what BB thinks it would take to get to 2. I don't think the Cowboys have any intention of going up, because if they give up #1 next year, that's this years and next years 1 that are not contributing to get Romo that SB. Which seems to be JJ priority.

Option 3 is what I think they are hoping for.

Was just trying to see what it would take for you to get a QB and put them in this system where the FO has lacked in the past.

 

[robjay04]

Option 2, that's just what BB thinks it would take to get to 2. I don't think the Cowboys have any intention of going up, because if they give up #1 next year, that's this years and next years 1 that are not contributing to get Romo that SB. Which seems to be JJ priority.

Maybe...I may be wrong but I do seem to recall last year that we dismissed the idea of trading up and it turns out that they were not being untruthful. The fact that Stephen didn't dismiss the idea yesterday of trading up gives me a little hope that they are not afraid to move up to get a player they want.

 

[jujoboys]

Sorry, but I feel that $11 million cap hit for zero games played and only a few months on the roster in the offseason is "substantial." I sincerely doubt that any team would take on his large contract considering that the market appeared soft for him to begin with, and certainly not for any meaningful draft pick this year. You are looking at 2017 compensation at best.

Imagine the owner and fan base being on board with handing a guy an $11 million check for a few offseason workouts and then tossing him aside. You have Chase Daniel and his 77 career attempts (half of which came in 2013) and a rookie in theory waiting in the wings. Why bother blowing the $11 million on Bradford in the first place? That's expensive insurance for 2 months.

I totally agree with you on signing a guy and then trading him immediately and basically giving away $11 million of cap space and money. However, you said that Bradford was untradeable due to his contract and I was just merely pointing out that he is not untradeable. The Eagles could trade him if they found someone STUPID enough to take on Bradford's contract. I don't see Cleveland wanting to go near Bradford's contract. Cleveland has been trying to dump older players with big salaries and Bradford is exactly what they have been trying to get off their roster. Clevelan wants young guys that come cheap and present value for what they are paying. Cleveland will want draft picks in a trade with the Eagles.

 

[DBOY3141]

not gonna dive too deep in the middle of this one - but i think we've gone around that before. i don't think anyone disagrees on the value of a qb.

given that, the disagreement isnt the value of the qb's in the draft but the need for a QB on a team during this draft. i also have to go on the side of treading dangerous ground when we're calling the ram and eagles "real" NFL teams. "real" NFL teams in my mind would not get themselves in a position to HAVE to give up 6 picks or so for 1 player. give or take. the eagles and rams are both in "blow this crap up" mode as well and this year they want an anchor, any anchor, in a storm.

just because someone gives up the farm for a player does not make that player worth that to anyone BUT said team. if the eagles still had chip kelly they'd likely not be going qb here. rams still in st louie, ditto. but both are looking to show fans the phoenix is rising and while i get you and others (myself included) wanted to go QB with our pick, to me it was *only if it made sense* and giving up so many picks for these qb's to me is insane and i never thought anyone would until they did.

does that speak to the quality of the player or the idiocy of these "real" teams? that's the point of debate, not the value of a solid qb.

Maybe...I may be wrong but I do seem to recall last year that we dismissed the idea of trading up and it turns out that they were not being untruthful. The fact that Stephen didn't dismiss the idea yesterday of trading up gives me a little hope that they are not afraid to move up to get a player they want.

Don't recall last year, who were they trying to trade up for? Gurley?

I think a lot goes on behind the scenes that we never hear about.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If that's the way you choose to see it, I'm fine with that. I'm stating what should be obvious. That quarterback is the most highly-valued position in sports and the actions of real NFL teams are showing that, despite what some fans might think.

I doubt anyone would argue that the QB is not a important position on a team or the draft..>However they are not the only position on a team or the draft that can make a team better and any one who argues that point is not defending the organization.

So then, tell us what you are trying to do here. Clarify your position and don't hide in some grey area and tell us all only what you're not doing. It takes zero guts to criticize someone else's position while having none yourself.

I have already given my position. I am open to different ways this team can go because there are different ways to make this team better. I am not so closed minded that my way is the only way. It is not being in a grey area it is being reality.
I will also say that if you think being closed minded on one way to help team and others doe not agree with you that they have zero guts is about as smart as me saying you have zero guts because you use a cartoon as your avatar instead of picture of yourself like I do as my avatar. It would be silly because neither has anything to do with guts...especially when I have said what I think...it just does not go lock step with your opinion.

No more "silly" than trusting the decision-making of those who've never earned it. But, again, it's easier to question a player than it is a decision maker. I'm watching what this league is doing, not just what the Cowboys and a bunch of guys who've never earned their jobs think.

By this thinking or weird reply....The Rams will take a QB, The browns will take a QB at 2 or someone will trade up to take a QB, the Chargers will take a QB at three because Rivers is getting close to the end of his career. and there will be no top three QBs rated for the first round to be taken.

We all certainly hope for the best. And, despite what you might think otherwise, I'll be happy if things work out too. But, given the statistics and the track record here, forgive me if I'm not overly optimistic.

With the exception of Mo our first round picks the last 6 years have been pretty good. So I am not sure what track record you are talking about here concerning first rounds...heck according to a recent article we have drafted more pro bowlers the last decade than any other team in the NFL.... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-have-drafted-most-pro-bowlers-in-last-decade

I don't have much, if any faith in any of them outside Romo, and that's a big part of why I prefer Goff. I think he's had the best coaching at the college level and would need the least from these coaches. I also have faith that Romo could and would pass on as much of what he's been taught from the better coaches he's been around. Again, that's my opinion.

And chances are the Rams traded up to take Goff and if he is the guy, they will not trade away that pick to the Cowboys so if Goff is the Rams guy...he is moot for this team. I am pretty sure the Rams had more to offer and the Titans would accept for a trade than the Cowboys.

Aren't we all?

I didn't claim to be the messenger and that you were trying to shoot me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's just how the game is.

It's too hard to build a team and keep it together.

You get 1 superstar like a Von Miller and have to pay them crazy amounts and it hurts the whole team.

If you're paying a QB then it's ok because the rest of the team will come and go.


The good teams with good QB's reinvent themselves all the time

Agreed. This is Football in the modern free agency era. That's exactly it. You try and keep your OL intact but you must have that QB or you got nothing. Everything else is pretty much fluid.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I've seen people thinking the Eagles are moving to 2 to get tunsil. Lol

 

[NEODOG]

not gonna dive too deep in the middle of this one - but i think we've gone around that before. i don't think anyone disagrees on the value of a qb.

given that, the disagreement isnt the value of the qb's in the draft but the need for a QB on a team during this draft. i also have to go on the side of treading dangerous ground when we're calling the ram and eagles "real" NFL teams. "real" NFL teams in my mind would not get themselves in a position to HAVE to give up 6 picks or so for 1 player. give or take. the eagles and rams are both in "blow this crap up" mode as well and this year they want an anchor, any anchor, in a storm.

just because someone gives up the farm for a player does not make that player worth that to anyone BUT said team. if the eagles still had chip kelly they'd likely not be going qb here. rams still in st louie, ditto. but both are looking to show fans the phoenix is rising and while i get you and others (myself included) wanted to go QB with our pick, to me it was *only if it made sense* and giving up so many picks for these qb's to me is insane and i never thought anyone would until they did.

does that speak to the quality of the player or the idiocy of these "real" teams? that's the point of debate, not the value of a solid qb.

Quit making sense..... It'll ruin it for the masses

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've seen people thinking the Eagles are moving to 2 to get tunsil. Lol

After Chip left that team...it might be their best play even if it is not who they would go after.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is a hard position to reconcile, however. They just gave Bradford an overpriced short term extension. They just signed Daniel to an expensive "backup" contract (could argue that it is unproven starter money). If they don't feel like they have a QB on their roster, what was that same brain trust doing handing out those contracts? Donating to charity?

If I'm the owner and the GM says that we have to trade up to get Wentz because "we don't have a QB on the roster," he's fired about 30 seconds later. That same GM told me less than 2 months ago that we had to fork over a bunch of money for Bradford and Daniel. I wouldn't even let him go back to selling hot dogs or whatever Roseman was doing last year.

I never said that they were smart. Heck, I've actually stated repeatedly that they are stupid for having made some of the moves that they have made in the past. I actually can say that I have no idea how they would even be able to move up and put a good offer together. The only thing I can think of is that A) It's a desperate situation for them with the idea that they don't have a QB they like and are willing to try and make such a move or, B) They are throwing it out there with the idea that if somebody like the Cowboys covet a QB, it forces them to maybe make a bad trade up. If I were the Eagles, I would try and force the Cowboys (who have been known to make poor decision in FA as well) to make another poor decision.

Without really being in the internal discussions, it's hard to understand what the thought process is there.

 

[StarBoyz83]

After Chip left that team...it might be their best play even if it is not who they would go after.

That's crazy to give up that much for a lt

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's crazy to give up that much for a lt

With what Chip left them...they are better off staying where they are at instead of trying to give away picks to move up.

 

[Stash]

Educate us or provide some links.

Aren't you also cherry picking the successful ones?

Top 3 in the league right now were all taken after pick 20 with one undrafted and one in the 6th? round.

Off hand I can't name any top 5 picks and their success rate. But, I don't believe they are as good as these three that there was no consensus on.

Give this one a try:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data

Let me know what you think. I think there was a great deal of good work done there.

 

[Stash]

Don't have to cherry pick. I'm FAR from convinced that Winston, Marriota, or Bortles are going to pan out. Most QBs don't, in fact.

I'm even starting to seriously wonder about Andrew Luck. He seems to have hit a wall.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Stash]

not gonna dive too deep in the middle of this one - but i think we've gone around that before. i don't think anyone disagrees on the value of a qb.

given that, the disagreement isnt the value of the qb's in the draft but the need for a QB on a team during this draft. i also have to go on the side of treading dangerous ground when we're calling the ram and eagles "real" NFL teams. "real" NFL teams in my mind would not get themselves in a position to HAVE to give up 6 picks or so for 1 player. give or take. the eagles and rams are both in "blow this crap up" mode as well and this year they want an anchor, any anchor, in a storm.

just because someone gives up the farm for a player does not make that player worth that to anyone BUT said team. if the eagles still had chip kelly they'd likely not be going qb here. rams still in st louie, ditto. but both are looking to show fans the phoenix is rising and while i get you and others (myself included) wanted to go QB with our pick, to me it was *only if it made sense* and giving up so many picks for these qb's to me is insane and i never thought anyone would until they did.

does that speak to the quality of the player or the idiocy of these "real" teams? that's the point of debate, not the value of a solid qb.

Or is the point of debate fans who talk a lot, even if they don't know what they're talking about?

 

[Stash]

I think option 1, they would go Ramsey. Seems Broddus and crew think that.

Check out Nick Eatman's comments from the most recent Cowboys Break about the reports the team got on Ramsey (specifically about him playing corner). You might change your mind.

Option 2, that's just what BB thinks it would take to get to 2. I don't think the Cowboys have any intention of going up, because if they give up #1 next year, that's this years and next years 1 that are not contributing to get Romo that SB. Which seems to be JJ priority.

I think that the team would still have plenty of draft equity left to 'get Romo that SB'. And there comes a time when the long term interests of the team outweigh those of any player.

Option 3 is what I think they are hoping for.

Was just trying to see what it would take for you to get a QB and put them in this system where the FO has lacked in the past.

My highest hope is for them to be able to acquire Goff.

 

[Sydla]

FWIW, Eatman's report was that the Cowboys got some feedback that CB, which I assume is where the Cowboys might want him, is not Ramsey's best position and that he's better suited for S.

 

[DBOY3141]

FWIW, Eatman's report was that the Cowboys got some feedback that CB, which I assume is where the Cowboys might want him, is not Ramsey's best position and that he's better suited for S.

Interesting. I'm no expert, but in the few games I've seen him play (I live in ACC country), he looks like a safety. I know he wants to be a CB, but I think money is a factor in that decision.

 

[Stash]

I doubt anyone would argue that the QB is not a important position on a team or the draft..>However they are not the only position on a team or the draft that can make a team better and any one who argues that point is not defending the organization.

What they do is argue that these guys are question marks or that this team that has struggled in finding one, will just 'get one' because... Cowboys. That's certainly "defending the organization".

I have already given my position. I am open to different ways this team can go because there are different ways to make this team better. I am not so closed minded that my way is the only way. It is not being in a grey area it is being reality.
I will also say that if you think being closed minded on one way to help team and others doe not agree with you that they have zero guts is about as smart as me saying you have zero guts because you use a cartoon as your avatar instead of picture of yourself like I do as my avatar. It would be silly because neither has anything to do with guts...especially when I have said what I think...it just does not go lock step with your opinion.

Right, so the 'whatever the team does' philosophy. Where they can't lose and guys like you defend everything they do, until it's proven to be terrible. And then it's 'in the past' and 'too late now' and we just move on to the next one. And you label that as 'open-minded'. I'd rather stand for something than fall for anything.

By this thinking or weird reply....The Rams will take a QB, The browns will take a QB at 2 or someone will trade up to take a QB, the Chargers will take a QB at three because Rivers is getting close to the end of his career. and there will be no top three QBs rated for the first round to be taken.

You're mostly right, except for the part where you assume that Rivers and the Chargers are in anywhere near the same position the Cowboys are. And the part where Rivers has missed 0 games to Romo's 27 over the same period of time. Other than that? Sure.

With the exception of Mo our first round picks the last 6 years have been pretty good. So I am not sure what track record you are talking about here concerning first rounds...heck according to a recent article we have drafted more pro bowlers the last decade than any other team in the NFL.... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-have-drafted-most-pro-bowlers-in-last-decade

the track record on quarterbacks. Was that unclear?

And chances are the Rams traded up to take Goff and if he is the guy, they will not trade away that pick to the Cowboys so if Goff is the Rams guy...he is moot for this team. I am pretty sure the Rams had more to offer and the Titans would accept for a trade than the Cowboys.

As I've said, if they don't have the opportunity at either of the top two quarterbacks, I can't fault them for that. But, likely in the rush to attack anyone dating to criticize the Cowboys, that was once again overlooked or disregarded.

I didn't claim to be the messenger and that you were trying to shoot me.

Fine. We can have it your way and have an adversarial conversation. That's obviously what you're looking for.

 

[Cowboy06]

So Goff at #1 and Wentz at #2? Yeah, "overrated" for sure. "No franchise quarterbacks here folks!" Despite the fact that not one, but two NFL franchises will be giving up two years' worth of draft picks to get 'em...

Seen this movie....RGIII.....It typically doesn't end well...