Browns trade rumors

[LittleBoyBlue]

So Goff at #1 and Wentz at #2? Yeah, "overrated" for sure. "No franchise quarterbacks here folks!" Despite the fact that not one, but two NFL franchises will be giving up two years' worth of draft picks to get 'em...

I think we should be looking for that QB after these top "touted" QBs. The QB that feels he is better... Has that chip,on his shoulder.

I'm asking... Who would he be.... How many good potentials after the top QB picks?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I can accept it if the quarterbacks go 1-2 and Dallas didn't have the opportunity to draft them. Where I'll have a problem is if one of them is there and the folks who bring you the quarterback 'factory of sadness' passes on him.

That I cannot accept.

oh noes...what ever will they do. haha

 

[robjay04]

It should be noted that many of their recent problems were simply because of Kelly and his issues. It was Kelly who forced the dumping of Jackson. Then after a power play that put Roseman on the backburner, it was Kelly who dumped guys like McCoy, etc.

I was completely in the camp that I didn't think the Eagles would make a move for the #2 pick but all indications from up here seem to be that they very much want that pick and are going hard after it. Then again, it's such a prevalent story now that you wonder if it's really true. These types of moves often seem to come from nowhere as opposed to being telegraphed like this one would be.

I agree with your entire post but it was the Eagles FO that gave all the power to Kelly so that is on them. Giving out so many huge contracts is also on them. Even if the Eagles draft lights out, it's going to take a couple years to make the team a contender and they are essentially trading away two years of drafts for a QB to fill a need that is not even the biggest need on the roster.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree with your entire post but it was the Eagles FO that gave all the power to Kelly so that is on them. Giving out so many huge contracts is also on them. Even if the Eagles draft lights out, it's going to take a couple years to make the team a contender and they are essentially trading away two years of drafts for a QB to fill a need that is not even the biggest need on the roster.

From a position stand point, now today, I agree. However, if the Eagles feel as if they don't have a QB on their roster, then there really is no bigger need for them. QB is always going to be the biggest, most important need, on a football team if you don't have one.

JMO

 

[DogFace]

For those wanting QB in the first or bust...might not want to tune into the draft. Either they have made it abundantly clear they will not be taking a QB at 4 and are telling the truth...or for once Jerry is actually playing a good bluff game, the stars align and we have the QB of our choice fall to us at four.

Otherwise by all indications it looks like we will draft one in the 2-4 round area and like Run DMC used to sing...



It's like that, and that's the way it is.

Well put and excellent song to illustrate the point.

 

[Stash]

oh noes...what ever will they do. haha

Continue to suck, like they have for 20 years I guess?

And then each of us can decide if that's acceptable or not. If it's a product we want to continue to invest our time and money into or not.

 

[Stash]

I think we should be looking for that QB after these top "touted" QBs. The QB that feels he is better... Has that chip,on his shoulder.

I'm asking... Who would he be.... How many good potentials after the top QB picks?

I'm not high on any of them personally. They're 'down there' for a reason. And the statistics show that your odds of a bust only grow the later you draft.

Add that to a staff I have no faith in coaching quarterbacks, and it's not a pleasant prospect to me.

 

[Sydla]

Can't wait for Connor Cook or Dak Prescott with the 34th pick.

 

[CATCH17]

From a position stand point, now today, I agree. However, if the Eagles feel as if they don't have a QB on their roster, then there really is no bigger need for them. QB is always going to be the biggest, most important need, on a football team if you don't have one.

JMO

It's just how the game is.

It's too hard to build a team and keep it together.

You get 1 superstar like a Von Miller and have to pay them crazy amounts and it hurts the whole team.

If you're paying a QB then it's ok because the rest of the team will come and go.


The good teams with good QB's reinvent themselves all the time

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Continue to suck, like they have for 20 years I guess?

And then each of us can decide if that's acceptable or not. If it's a product we want to continue to invest our time and money into or not.

Or the one QB that we had the option to take turns out to be a bust or mediocre at best and they saved us from having to waste time on him.

That does not seem to factor into the thinking here with some.

With some it appears it is my way or no way.

What if this year turns out to be a first round QB draft that only has the top QB make much of a difference long term?
What if this year turns out to be a first round QB draft where none of the QB's wind up being worth the first round grade and are journeymen at best?
What if it turns out that the best player in this draft down the road turns out to be a EE and he is viewed as a HOF worthy player.
What if it turns out that the best player in this years draft is a DB that a lot of people did not like because he did not get many INTs in college.
What if it turns out the best player in this years draft is a DE that just last year was seen to be the best player on Defense in College and now seems to be the player nobody likes but scouts?

It's a gamble and being someone that is close minded as to say Either they do as I think they should or I can't accept it is pretty silly when all things are considered.
But that is our fan base around draft time.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

What exactly has Wentz done in college that makes him this sure fire shot at QB?

I doubt even the biggest Wentz fans could even answer this. Seeing as hardly anyone has seen him play. Maybe they saw his few minutes at the Senior Bowl and possibly Wentz's highlight reel against the likes of Towson State.

 

[DogFace]

And the opinion of every other team the Browns are talking to about the #2 pick. Or is it your opinion that the Eagkes are the only team interested in the pick?



I'm not taking anything personally, someone else's difference of opinion doesn't mean that much to me. We're all free to believe whatever we want to, no matter how it might otherwise appear.

But I'm seeing a general consensus of opinion from NFL decision makers. Those in need of a quarterback feel that both of them are worth the cost. And I'll value that over what any random fan thinks otherwise. Their actions speak louder than any fans' words.

And I honestly trust opinions outside the Cowboys on quarterbacks more than I do any opinions inside. Taking a look at these people's track record with quarterbacks makes it obvious why.

Define general consensus. Them after that think about how others have told you Dallas likely doesn't agree.
Read your phrase those "in need" of a QB. That's very debatable of that applies to us. With many saying we do not "need" one and the pick could be used in a better way for our team. Some even saying it would be a somewhat wasted pick because of all the resources used on QB.

We all realize it is an important position. We all don't realize these guys for the profile of franchise.

 

[lkelly]

I went to overthecap.com and with Bradford the Eagles are $9.9 million under the CAP in 2016 and $5.4 million under the CAP in 2017. If they trade Bradford then the Eagles are $10.8 million under the CAP in 2016 and $27.9 million under the CAP in 2017. Their total CAP hit in a trade would be the $11 million signing bonus Bradford got this year. That is less than what he would count by being on the roster ($12.5 million CAP hit). The rest of his contact is set up in salary, incentives, and a roster bonus in 2017 which the team trading for him would have to take on. The Eagles only get killed by Bradford's contract if they cut him because then the guarantees would hit their CAP instead of the team that traded for him. Bradford's contract is set up where the Eagles can trade him immediately and be OK or cut him after the 2016 season and be OK. The question would be why would any team want to give up high draft compensation for an average QB who is only signed for the next 2 years.

Sorry, but I feel that $11 million cap hit for zero games played and only a few months on the roster in the offseason is "substantial." I sincerely doubt that any team would take on his large contract considering that the market appeared soft for him to begin with, and certainly not for any meaningful draft pick this year. You are looking at 2017 compensation at best.

Imagine the owner and fan base being on board with handing a guy an $11 million check for a few offseason workouts and then tossing him aside. You have Chase Daniel and his 77 career attempts (half of which came in 2013) and a rookie in theory waiting in the wings. Why bother blowing the $11 million on Bradford in the first place? That's expensive insurance for 2 months.

 

[CATCH17]

I doubt even the biggest Wentz fans could even answer this. Seeing as hardly anyone has seen him play. Maybe they saw his few minutes at the Senior Bowl and possibly Wentz's highlight reel against the likes of Towson State.

There is fully games on youtube.


Just type in Carson Wentz vs..


It's not about what he did in college.

It's about the physical traits he has.

What did Big Ben do in College? What did Matt Leinart do? It doesn't matter.




Wentz checks the box on almost everything.

Size, release, strong arm, insane accuracy on seam and sideline throws, mobility, hard worker off the field.

If he busts it will be because he can't process information quickly enough in game or he has horrid development from his coaches.

 

[canters]

There is fully games on youtube.


Just type in Carson Wentz vs..


It's not about what he did in college.

It's about the physical traits he has.

What did Big Ben do in College? What did Matt Leinart do? It doesn't matter.




Wentz checks the box on almost everything.

Size, release, strong arm, insane accuracy on seam and sideline throws, mobility, hard worker off the field.

If he busts it will be because he can't process information quickly enough in game or he has horrid development from his coaches.

I agree with you on this....he has the measurable and looks good in shorts, but thinking he is going to be a great NFL player is another thing. Drafting in the NFL is a gamble either way. Too many variables.

If the Eagles give this many picks and miss, they will not recover for many years.

 

[Stash]

Or the one QB that we had the option to take turns out to be a bust or mediocre at best and they saved us from having to waste time on him.

That does not seem to factor into the thinking here with some.

With some it appears it is my way or no way.

What if this year turns out to be a first round QB draft that only has the top QB make much of a difference long term?
What if this year turns out to be a first round QB draft where none of the QB's wind up being worth the first round grade and are journeymen at best?
What if it turns out that the best player in this draft down the road turns out to be a EE and he is viewed as a HOF worthy player.
What if it turns out that the best player in this years draft is a DB that a lot of people did not like because he did not get many INTs in college.
What if it turns out the best player in this years draft is a DE that just last year was seen to be the best player on Defense in College and now seems to be the player nobody likes but scouts?

It's a gamble and being someone that is close minded as to say Either they do as I think they should or I can't accept it is pretty silly when all things are considered.
But that is our fan base around draft time.

Yeah, or conversely, an owner who has done nothing but fail at quarterback since Jimmy drafted Troy Aikman or Sean Payton brought Romo to town somehow should get the benefit of the doubt? All evidence to the contrary.

Or a .500 coach who can't win without Romo should somehow get the benefit of the doubt that he knows what good quarterbacking looks like? All evidence to the contrary.

Or a failed quarterback coach who can do nothing but sit next to Romo is somehow good at his job or qualified to make the decision. All evidence to the contrary.

It continues to amaze me how some fans will continue to place faith in people who have again and again failed to justify it, all in the name of hope and fandom.

The people in the building haven't done anything to instill faith in anyone that they have the slightest clue what they're doing at quarterback. If anyone is being "silly", it's those that continue to defend them in spite of their proven and well-established track record of failure in this area.

But, by all means, 'shoot the messenger'.

 

[lkelly]

From a position stand point, now today, I agree. However, if the Eagles feel as if they don't have a QB on their roster, then there really is no bigger need for them. QB is always going to be the biggest, most important need, on a football team if you don't have one.

JMO

This is a hard position to reconcile, however. They just gave Bradford an overpriced short term extension. They just signed Daniel to an expensive "backup" contract (could argue that it is unproven starter money). If they don't feel like they have a QB on their roster, what was that same brain trust doing handing out those contracts? Donating to charity?

If I'm the owner and the GM says that we have to trade up to get Wentz because "we don't have a QB on the roster," he's fired about 30 seconds later. That same GM told me less than 2 months ago that we had to fork over a bunch of money for Bradford and Daniel. I wouldn't even let him go back to selling hot dogs or whatever Roseman was doing last year.

 

[Stash]

Define general consensus.

A majority of teams feeling that both quarterbacks are worthy, and several teams in need of one going to great lengths to get one of them. Their actions are gepreater than any fans' words.

Them after that think about how others have told you Dallas likely doesn't agree.

And what value does that have? As if this bunch has done anything in the area of quarterback to have their opinions mean anything but failure? If this group said up, you should look down. If they say high, you should go low.

This is far and away one of the worst groups ever assembled when it comes to finding, evaluating, acquiring or coaching quarterbacks. Their track record clearly shows it.

Read your phrase those "in need" of a QB. That's very debatable of that applies to us. With many saying we do not "need" one and the pick could be used in a better way for our team. Some even saying it would be a somewhat wasted pick because of all the resources used on QB.

The term you're looking for is 'idiots'. Or someone who has never watched this team. Never watched them fail for years between Aikman and Romo because they had no plan then. Nor watched the, last year as their season was completely detailed when they had no viable backup plan for Romo getting hurt.

We all realize it is an important position. We all don't realize these guys for the profile of franchise.

Again, I wouldn't try to force anyone to feel the way I do, but I'll put a lot more stock in what NFL personnel people are doing over what some fan thinks. I cane clearly see the price being paid in the effort to acquire viable quarterbacks. I just have a hard time understanding how others can't.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I didn't say he was. But he has the tools and potential to the point that if I'm going to take a risk I'll do it on a potential franchise QB over a DB.

I didn't say he was. But he has the tools and potential to the point that if I'm going to take a risk I'll do it on a potential franchise QB over a DB.

You say he has the tools and the potential. What tools? He can throw the ball 50 yards and weighs 235 pounds? What is his potential ceiling? Are we talking better than Tom Brady potential? Are we talking Joe Montana part deux? Maybe as good as Blake Bortles? Have you actually seen him play? You know, like watched his games last year, or the year before?

 

[DBOY3141]

A majority of teams feeling that both quarterbacks are worthy, and several teams in need of one going to great lengths to get one of them. Their actions are gepreater than any fans' words.



And what value does that have? As if this bunch has done anything in the area of quarterback to have their opinions mean anything but failure? If this group said up, you should look down. If they say high, you should go low.

This is far and away one of the worst groups ever assembled when it comes to finding, evaluating, acquiring or coaching quarterbacks. Their track record clearly shows it.



The term you're looking for is 'idiots'. Or someone who has never watched this team. Never watched them fail for years between Aikman and Romo because they had no plan then. Nor watched the, last year as their season was completely detailed when they had no viable backup plan for Romo getting hurt.



Again, I wouldn't try to force anyone to feel the way I do, but I'll put a lot more stock in what NFL personnel people are doing over what some fan thinks. I cane clearly see the price being paid in the effort to acquire viable quarterbacks. I just have a hard time understanding how others can't.

With the 1st pick this year, what would you do if you were the Cowboys? If you could do anything?