Browns trade rumors

[CATCH17]

Last decade selecting a QB in the first round has been a crap shoot, more have turned out not to be what GM's have thought they where.

It's the hardest position to predict.


Wentz has just about every trait you could hope for. Doesn't mean he'll pan out but all signs point to,yes.

 

[9darter]

I wouldn't classify us drafting Ramsey as luck. I suppose it is possible he'll be more productive in the NFL than in college, but that's not likely. So we'll probably end up with a great athlete who isn't dominant at either CB or S. Awesome.

To pair with the other Underwear Olympics standout just drafted in round one. Getting no picks behind an underwhelming front 7.

 

[DFWJC]

It carries more weight than anything some morons are saying on the Internet. And it means that NFL decision-makers do think that both quarterbacks are worth it.



Or maybe they think it's important to make sure they have a viable option at quarterback in today's NFL?

You can ignore all the signs if you want to, I can't make anyone think.

I'll watch everything that the entire NFL is doing and base my beliefs on those facts. Other people can ignore them and think whatever the hell they want.

Stash. I'm pretty sure nobody around here was saying that no NFL teams would spend a 1st or 2nd on Goff or Wentz.
In this particular case, if true, then Hue Jackson is saying one is not worth it and Doug Pederson is saying one is.
Teams that have no viable starting QB--or one that has accomplished much as a starter--tend be more desperate to sell their souls for one....as you know.

 

[Zekeats]

It's the hardest position to predict.


Wentz has just about every trait you could hope for. Doesn't mean he'll pan out but all signs point to,yes.

The biggest thing I can tell you is one thing nobody talks about. It is the way he looks. He doesn't look like a piece of **** that would squander his opportunity. Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinhart. If he fails its because he won't be able to physically adapt to the speed, not because of a lack of effort, something the 4 I mentioned all had.

 

[DFWJC]

Partly desperation but partly considering what it would cost to get a decent QB in the future draft (look what Rams, Eagles and Skins had to give up to move up in the draft--basically mortgage the future). If we just use 4th pick even if Lynch is 20th player on their board but they think he can be the future then it's worth it. Nevertheless, watching other teams "reach" such as Gabbert, Ponder, Locker etc make me shudder.

The Rams, Eagles, and Skins didn't have to do this.

 

[Stash]

Stash. I'm pretty sure nobody around here was saying that no NFL teams would spend a 1st or 2nd on Goff or Wentz.

No, they were saying that neither was "worth" the Cowboys drafting at #4 overall. Unless you're trying your hand at revisionist history now?

In this particular case, if true, then Hue Jackson is saying one is not worth it and Doug Pederson is saying one is.
Teams that have no viable starting QB--or one that has accomplished much as a starter--tend be more desperate to sell their souls for one....as you know.

And yet the Eagles are paying Bradford $18 million and Daniel $7 million and are apparently still trying to trade up for Wentz?

But I'm sure the "Eagles are just dumb" and the "internet fans are smart"...

It's just as likely that Hue Jackson realizes that he has the least talented roster in the league and that one quarterback - no matter how good - isn't going to change that alone. And the new regime hired there values draft picks over one player to fill all those holes. It certainly falls in line with the Moneyball system.

 

[dstew60105]

The Rams, Eagles, and Skins didn't have to do this.

Taking Lynch at 4 is the worst possible choice. He's too much of a project to draft that high.

 

[kevm3]

No, we'll get Ramsey or Bosa. Probably Ramsey, the DB that can't intercept the ball.

What exactly has Wentz done in college that makes him this sure fire shot at QB?

 

[JBS]

All of the local guys are saying dallas won't take wentz even if he's there at 4

They have been saying this for a while now

Best case scenario is somebody takes wentz 1-3 bc we aren't taking him anyway

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No, they were saying that neither was "worth" the Cowboys drafting at #4 overall. Unless you're trying your hand at revisionist history now?



And yet the Eagles are paying Bradford $18 million and Daniel $7 million and are apparently still trying to trade up for Wentz?

But I'm sure the "Eagles are just dumb" and the "internet fans are smart"...

It's just as likely that Hue Jackson realizes that he has the least talented roster in the league and that one quarterback - no matter how good - isn't going to change that alone. And the new regime hired there values draft picks over one player to fill all those holes. It certainly falls in line with the Moneyball system.

I don't know why you hold the opinions of the Eagirls in such high regard.They literally tore up a playoff contender and became one of the worst teams in the league yet you hold them in such high regard as a franchise. Their scouting department has been terrible.

 

[morasp]

These blockbuster trades rarely go well. Vikings for walker Ditka for that running back skins for RG III. This could be a good thing.

 

[Swanny]

No, they were saying that neither was "worth" the Cowboys drafting at #4 overall. Unless you're trying your hand at revisionist history now?



And yet the Eagles are paying Bradford $18 million and Daniel $7 million and are apparently still trying to trade up for Wentz?

But I'm sure the "Eagles are just dumb" and the "internet fans are smart"...

It's just as likely that Hue Jackson realizes that he has the least talented roster in the league and that one quarterback - no matter how good - isn't going to change that alone. And the new regime hired there values draft picks over one player to fill all those holes. It certainly falls in line with the Moneyball system.

I was one saying I would not spend the 4th overall pick on either of these guys. I still wouldn't if both were at number 4. I would spend the 10th overall pick on both of them but not the 4th. I would be picking BPA regardless of need and I would rank Ramsey, Tunsil, Zeke, Bosa, Jack (was Jack not anymore), Buckner, Hargreaves. After those guys I would have picked Wents and Goff. So If I had pick 7 or later I would take either of these QB's.

 

[Stash]

I don't know why you hold the opinions of the Eagirls in such high regard.They literally tore up a playoff contender and became one of the worst teams in the league yet you hold them in such high regard as a franchise. Their scouting department has been terrible.

I hold it in 'higher regard' than I do 'some internet loudmouth'. Not pointing a finger at you, but in general.

I can look at an opposing team and still give them credit when they get something right. My Cowboys fandom doesn't prevent me from giving credit where credit is due.

If the Eagles scouting is terrible, why did the Cowboys mistakenly sign that bum Credric Thornton away from them? Or is that the lone exception?

 

[Stash]

I was one saying I would not spend the 4th overall pick on either of these guys. I still wouldn't if both were at number 4. I would spend the 10th overall pick on both of them but not the 4th. I would be picking BPA regardless of need and I would rank Ramsey, Tunsil, Zeke, Bosa, Jack (was Jack not anymore), Buckner, Hargreaves. After those guys I would have picked Wents and Goff. So If I had pick 7 or later I would take either of these QB's.

With all due respect, I find that to be a foolish approach. But, we'll just have to wait a few years to see who was right or wrong and, by then, I'm sure any of these claims will be forgotten.

 

[CATCH17]

The biggest thing I can tell you is one thing nobody talks about. It is the way he looks. He doesn't look like a piece of **** that would squander his opportunity. Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Leinhart. If he fails its because he won't be able to physically adapt to the speed, not because of a lack of effort, something the 4 I mentioned all had.

I agree... It will be about how quick he can process information in game.

If he gets the mental side of the pro game then it's over because he has unreal ability.

 

[pjtoadie]

If this board is a good representation of our fan base we have the whiniest, overreacting,(to what they think -may- happen and why), and ironically "know it all" fan base in sports.

No every teams fan base is like this. That's how fans are. Some are extremely positive and some are extremely negative all of the time. If you don't like what some are posting on here go somewhere else or just put people on ignore. Simple as that!

 

[Swanny]

With all due respect, I find that to be a foolish approach. But, we'll just have to wait a few years to see who was right or wrong and, by then, I'm sure any of these claims will be forgotten.

This is the best part about the draft. It really is a crap shoot and when picking high in the draft it makes the draft MUCH MORE important. We have the best players to pick from at 4 and we really should hit a good player for us for years to come. All we can do now is discuss who we all like and dislike and no one is wrong at this point. I mean I have been wrong about so many players in the draft that it doesn't bother me if I am right or wrong I don't get paid to be right or wrong. Its just fun to have an opinion and discuss with everybody. I would have never guessed that Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch would have turned out as awful as they did. I did think Drew Brees was gonna be a great player, I thought Morris Claiborne was gonna be great, I thought Roy Williams was gonna be the best thing since sliced bread (was until Woody retired). I thought the jump from Troy to the NFL was gonna be too much for Demarcus Ware, I never thought Jason Witten would turn into the best all around TE we have seen in the NFL for a while (not the best receiver save the arguing), I really never thought Jay Ratliff would actually turn into a player worth having on a roster. I could go on and on.

 

[robjay04]

I hold it in 'higher regard' than I do 'some internet loudmouth'. Not pointing a finger at you, but in general.

I can look at an opposing team and still give them credit when they get something right. My Cowboys fandom doesn't prevent me from giving credit where credit is due.

If the Eagles scouting is terrible, why did the Cowboys mistakenly sign that bum Credric Thornton away from them? Or is that the lone exception?

Eagles have a solid core on defense, I would trade our defense for theirs in a heart beat. Offensively? The team is pretty lackluster. They have average receivers at best, average running backs and an average, aging OL. I have even talked to several Eagle fans that I am friends with and they feel they should stay where they are. When you do trades like that, you limit any chance you have to upgrade other positions. The Eagles have also spent a ton of money this year, that will catch up with them like it did the Cowboys when we were signing all of the pieces that helped us go 13-3 almost a decade ago long term.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

For those wanting QB in the first or bust...might not want to tune into the draft. Either they have made it abundantly clear they will not be taking a QB at 4 and are telling the truth...or for once Jerry is actually playing a good bluff game, the stars align and we have the QB of our choice fall to us at four.

Otherwise by all indications it looks like we will draft one in the 2-4 round area and like Run DMC used to sing...



It's like that, and that's the way it is.

 

[DFWJC]

Taking Lynch at 4 is the worst possible choice. He's too much of a project to draft that high.

Not sure what had to do with my post, but I'm with you