Brugler 7 round mock 4/17/23

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Doubt that Mayer is the pick since Dallas has only drafted 2 TE's in the 1st round in their history...Billy Joe Dupree (1973) and David LaFluer (1997).

Yes it can happen but history is against it.
 

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I don’t think there are many openings on offense. I would be OK with Pollard/Jones/Davis at RB and Lamb/Cooks/Gallup/Turpin/Tolbert/Simi at WR.

Simi is a 4.39 guy, Turpin is a 4.31 guy as well.
But can either play wide receiver?
 

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What are these issues? I know he gets dinged for not having the ideal athletic profile that people now want in a TE, but what are his other issues that will hold him back?

SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES​

  • Athletic profile limiting factor - Lacks Run-Away Athlete Speed
  • Nightmare to fight at catch point
  • Functional strength is good but not dominant
  • Blocking technique not always clean
  • Not likely to win foot races with defensive backs
  • Does not have an expansive route tree
  • Athleticism
  • Sustaining blocks
  • Sharper routes
The biggest question mark on Michael Mayer is his athletic ability. Mayer is by no means a rare athlete and his athletic ability is probably best categorized as functional. While he is a horror to deal with at the catch point and has immense body control, he simply can’t and won’t be able to contort his body like a souped-up wide receiver.

This isn’t to take away from what Mayer is. He moves extremely well for a man who is over 250 pounds. But, there is little doubt that some tight ends will run faster, jump higher, be more explosive and overall test better when that time comes. Mayer should not get lost in the crowd though, he will have shown all he needs to on tape.

On the field, Mayer could sustain his blocks for longer. It would be nice to see him finish blocks, especially as a run blocker too. As a blocker, Mayer can lunge forward to try and redeem some leverage. He can lean forward providing the advantage to his man, he can just do with maintaining those blocks for a little bit longer.

Lastly, for all that Mayer does well as a route runner, his routes are smooth but aren’t sharp. Again, this can in part be down to his constrained athletic profile. But, that isn’t Mayer’s game and we need to be careful when comparing him to other tight ends.

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My main concern after last year is separation and catching ability. I've watched the film on this guy. But i keep coming back to the fact he will not outrun defenders which equates to me as separation issues.
 

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SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES​

  • Athletic profile limiting factor - Lacks Run-Away Athlete Speed
  • Nightmare to fight at catch point
  • Functional strength is good but not dominant
  • Blocking technique not always clean
  • Not likely to win foot races with defensive backs
  • Does not have an expansive route tree
  • Athleticism
  • Sustaining blocks
  • Sharper routes
The biggest question mark on Michael Mayer is his athletic ability. Mayer is by no means a rare athlete and his athletic ability is probably best categorized as functional. While he is a horror to deal with at the catch point and has immense body control, he simply can’t and won’t be able to contort his body like a souped-up wide receiver.

This isn’t to take away from what Mayer is. He moves extremely well for a man who is over 250 pounds. But, there is little doubt that some tight ends will run faster, jump higher, be more explosive and overall test better when that time comes. Mayer should not get lost in the crowd though, he will have shown all he needs to on tape.

On the field, Mayer could sustain his blocks for longer. It would be nice to see him finish blocks, especially as a run blocker too. As a blocker, Mayer can lunge forward to try and redeem some leverage. He can lean forward providing the advantage to his man, he can just do with maintaining those blocks for a little bit longer.

Lastly, for all that Mayer does well as a route runner, his routes are smooth but aren’t sharp. Again, this can in part be down to his constrained athletic profile. But, that isn’t Mayer’s game and we need to be careful when comparing him to other tight ends.

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My main concern after last year is separation and catching ability. I've watched the film on this guy. But i keep coming back to the fact he will not outrun defenders which equates to me as separation issues.
You got a link to that report?
 

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What are these issues? I know he gets dinged for not having the ideal athletic profile that people now want in a TE, but what are his other issues that will hold him back?
Cross out the weaknesses listed related to athleticism which you acknowledged in your post and you are left with cleaning up his blocking and routes. He will never be a blazer but no TE is more complete. There is a reason he is considered a 1st round talent.
 

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You know where to find it.

Cowboys
1(26) Michael Mayer TE Notre Dame
2(58) Daiyan Henley LB Washington St.
3(90) Anthony Bradford G LSU
4(129) Tyler Lacy DT Oklahoma St.
5(169) Jake Moody K Michigan
6(212) Clayton Tune QB Houston
7(244) Durrell Johnson EDGE Liberty

Dane stole my 3rd round G. He'll be in my mock. I like him a lawt.
No way we take a kicker in the 5th.

Terrible mock.
 

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Dane and Mel mocking him to us is not buzz,its the opposite of buzz.lets see if we get some leaks to actually see if there is some buzz about Mayer.
 

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Appreciate it man.
I can be wrong about this guy. I'm concerned the front office will make a couple of huge mistakes and end up running out on the field with something similar to last year's offense with little protection for Dak, no running lanes, and receivers who can't get separation.

Again, I can be wrong.
 

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I’m not in love with this draft, but I’d be alright with it. An instant starter in Mayer, a few developmental pieces, and an underrated QB prospect in Tune. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
 

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I can be wrong about this guy. I'm concerned the front office will make a couple of huge mistakes and end up running out on the field with something similar to last year's offense with little protection for Dak, no running lanes, and receivers who can't get separation.

Again, I can be wrong.
We all can be wrong.

I always state my case for a player, but I don’t argue it as if I know I’m right. Nobody knows if they’re right on a prospect.

I feel like I’m right on a lot of the guys, but we don’t know until they get in the league. All I can do is follow my own logic but be open to other’s ideas and thoughts because they could be right.

It is a pet peeve of mine when people are saying a prospect will be great or will suck, because nobody knows yet. Show other’s opinions some respect.

Not talking to you, of course… just speaking in general to the forum.

As for Mayer: I do think he’d be really good in Dallas. IMO, he’d be significantly better than Shultz and would provide a great outlet for Dak. His skills are way beyond his athletic testing. It is spacing, leverage, and instincts. He just has a very nice knack for finding the soft spots in zone, and if you get the ball to him, he will catch it. To put it another way… Mayer is just a really good football player, I think. He is good at it.

I think I like Kincaid a little more downfield but Mayer is the better blocker by a longshot. You wouldn’t draft Kincaid for his blocking though. He has the best hands in the draft IMO. Better even than JSN.

Anyway, today on the NFL Network (NFL Now), Jane Slater said that McCarthy likes 12 and 13 personnel a lot more than Kellen Moore does, so she said insiders expect a good bit more TE usage this year than in seasons past (along with a lot more play-action). So, a guy like Mayer or Kincaid is very likely to have a large impact as a rookie this season, which would really help out Dak, IMO.

I don’t really see any way that having a very talented TE would not be a huge help to the QB.

JMO, of course.
 

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We all can be wrong.

I always state my case for a player, but I don’t argue it as if I know I’m right. Nobody knows if they’re right on a prospect.

I feel like I’m right on a lot of the guys, but we don’t know until they get in the league. All I can do is follow my own logic but be open to other’s ideas and thoughts because they could be right.

It is a pet peeve of mine when people are saying a prospect will be great or will suck, because nobody knows yet. Show other’s opinions some respect.

Not talking to you, of course… just speaking in general to the forum.

As for Mayer: I do think he’d be really good in Dallas. IMO, he’d be significantly better than Shultz and would provide a great outlet for Dak. His skills are way beyond his athletic testing. It is spacing, leverage, and instincts. He just has a very nice knack for finding the soft spots in zone, and if you get the ball to him, he will catch it. To put it another way… Mayer is just a really good football player, I think. He is good at it.

I think I like Kincaid a little more downfield but Mayer is the better blocker by a longshot. You wouldn’t draft Kincaid for his blocking though. He has the best hands in the draft IMO. Better even than JSN.

Anyway, today on the NFL Network (NFL Now), Jane Slater said that McCarthy likes 12 and 13 personnel a lot more than Kellen Moore does, so she said insiders expect a good bit more TE usage this year than in seasons past (along with a lot more play-action). So, a guy like Mayer or Kincaid is very likely to have a large impact as a rookie this season, which would really help out Dak, IMO.

I don’t really see any way that having a very talented TE would not be a huge help to the QB.

JMO, of course.
My rebuttal is this. And you may have seen me say this before.

Every player in the NFL has holes in his game. From Mahomes to the last practice squad player for the Houston Texans, they all have areas where they are less effective. Coaches attempt to disguise that troubling area, scheme around it, or to coach 'em up and correct it. Mahomes has an asset of improvising. Not every QB has that level of ability. But that doesn't mean those who are not as skilled in that area cannot succeed.

I believe from the history we have seen of this team since 2016, Dak has shown he needs a beat or two more time in a clean pocket. That does not make him useless. It means you structure the team in such a way to deliver that protection. You scheme around it.

An ancillary aspect to this is receivers who can get open and separation, while making the catch or protecting the possession by playing defense and prevent a turnover. If Dak is not as pinpoint accurate as others, then you create a furtive passing target by separation which takes into account his skill level for accuracy.

So, the offensive line needs to create a pocket where Dak can thrive, and open holes for the running game to keep the pass rush off balance.

It is my contention this team needs a top flight guard for protection and the rushing game. As Steele heals, with Tyler Smith, Martin and Biadasz in place, a brutal guard can solidify this offensive line to a level which offers Dak the protection he needs.
I see O'Cyrus Torrence as that guy. I have stated it in several threads I see this guy as the type of brutally aggressive lineman in the mold of Erik Williams. He surely is not as skilled, but he is a road grader who has the ability to get his hands on people and they are neutralized.

I see the so-called warts in regard to Mayer, and I see the warts with Torrence. But I do not see anything on this team at this time which can deliver the aggressive blocking with the interior linemen on this team at this time. Outside of Martin, I think we have two warm bodies that the team is betting on the come. Just like they are doing with Tyron, who has yet to answer the bell in every contest and be who he was.

But I do see two players in Hendershot and and Ferguson who can deliver in the passing game. They certainly impressed a great number of people here that think they can replace Schultz.

A fourth WR who can challenge the defense and force the top off same is another need. I don't see Mayer as that guy from the TE position.

I see a vacuum at guard, and at TE, two players who, as some claimed, whose progress was being blocked by Schultz, now have an opportunity to show out.
Long winded. Sorry. But Dak has ability, yet needs a little more to reach success. The team must have the right players surrounding him. If he still can't get it done at that point, then a major rebuild starts with his position as the focal point. And woe with us if that is the case, because we have to lose big to get to the position to draft to win at QB.

I don't see a TE put the team on his back and correct the problems at hand.
As a final comment, Hurts stands in a pocket as clean as I have ever seen that I can remember. Most here thought he was not greatness. I still think he isn't worth the money they just paid him. They built a line that allows him to stand, unmolested, and throw the ball.
Show me that protection for Dak and let's see what he can do.
 

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But can either play wide receiver?
I’m not really sure many teams have elite players at the 5th and 6th receiver. Turpin deserves more touches and I feel Simi can be better than Noah brown
 

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My rebuttal is this. And you may have seen me say this before.

Every player in the NFL has holes in his game. From Mahomes to the last practice squad player for the Houston Texans, they all have areas where they are less effective. Coaches attempt to disguise that troubling area, scheme around it, or to coach 'em up and correct it. Mahomes has an asset of improvising. Not every QB has that level of ability. But that doesn't mean those who are not as skilled in that area cannot succeed.

I believe from the history we have seen of this team since 2016, Dak has shown he needs a beat or two more time in a clean pocket. That does not make him useless. It means you structure the team in such a way to deliver that protection. You scheme around it.

An ancillary aspect to this is receivers who can get open and separation, while making the catch or protecting the possession by playing defense and prevent a turnover. If Dak is not as pinpoint accurate as others, then you create a furtive passing target by separation which takes into account his skill level for accuracy.

So, the offensive line needs to create a pocket where Dak can thrive, and open holes for the running game to keep the pass rush off balance.

It is my contention this team needs a top flight guard for protection and the rushing game. As Steele heals, with Tyler Smith, Martin and Biadasz in place, a brutal guard can solidify this offensive line to a level which offers Dak the protection he needs.
I see O'Cyrus Torrence as that guy. I have stated it in several threads I see this guy as the type of brutally aggressive lineman in the mold of Erik Williams. He surely is not as skilled, but he is a road grader who has the ability to get his hands on people and they are neutralized.

I see the so-called warts in regard to Mayer, and I see the warts with Torrence. But I do not see anything on this team at this time which can deliver the aggressive blocking with the interior linemen on this team at this time. Outside of Martin, I think we have two warm bodies that the team is betting on the come. Just like they are doing with Tyron, who has yet to answer the bell in every contest and be who he was.

But I do see two players in Hendershot and and Ferguson who can deliver in the passing game. They certainly impressed a great number of people here that think they can replace Schultz.

A fourth WR who can challenge the defense and force the top off same is another need. I don't see Mayer as that guy from the TE position.

I see a vacuum at guard, and at TE, two players who, as some claimed, whose progress was being blocked by Schultz, now have an opportunity to show out.
Long winded. Sorry. But Dak has ability, yet needs a little more to reach success. The team must have the right players surrounding him. If he still can't get it done at that point, then a major rebuild starts with his position as the focal point. And woe with us if that is the case, because we have to lose big to get to the position to draft to win at QB.

I don't see a TE put the team on his back and correct the problems at hand.
As a final comment, Hurts stands in a pocket as clean as I have ever seen that I can remember. Most here thought he was not greatness. I still think he isn't worth the money they just paid him. They built a line that allows him to stand, unmolested, and throw the ball.
Show me that protection for Dak and let's see what he can do.
A 4th WR with the 26th pick seems crazy given the Cowboys largely espouse they use the draft for immediate impact guys. Even in Moore's pass happy offense, the 4th WR played around 15-20% of the offensive snaps, I believe. Then throw in the fact McCarthy wants to run more 12 and 13 personnel and that means likely even less snaps for a 4th WR. This team is married to Lamb, Gallup and Cooks for the next two seasons. If we are using more TEs under McCarthy, TE seems like a bigger need than a 4th WR at this point.

That being said, OL (or DL) is where I'd really want to go in the first.
 

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And he elevates both the run game and the passing game. Makes GL offense even more potent and is a 3rd down weapon.
I like Washington more. Personally. Yeah the has the lower floor but he has the higher ceiling. IMO
 

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I thought about this last night and I think I can except Myers if that were to happen but the first room is so important to us I wonder if we could take Sam Laporta in the second and almost get the same thing. The first rap is an opportunity in another position that would make the team stronger.
 
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