News: BTB: Cowboys pet peeve: People who want to move on from Dak Prescott

[MyFairLady]

I don't judge players based on team success and that includes Dak. I judge players based on what they are bringing to the team in relation to the resources they are consuming. Zeke and Dak started off as amazing players on amazing contracts. A huge plus to the team. Zeke ended up a massive burden. Dak is not on that level but he is no longer a net positive. You want to be the 40 million dollar princess then fine but you are no longer allowed to be the reason we lose.

 

[Diehardblues]

You make a good point. But you're ignoring my problem. We don't have to have a super or bust mentality. But to pay a QB elite money that isn't elite is stupid. It's basically saying we know we can't win, so lets be happy we tried. Your goal should always be a championship. Not just good seasons. If we're paying an average to above average QB the same as an elite QB you're at a disadvantage. Right from the start!!! How do you make up for that? By paying him again? That's just stupid.

I’m not advocating how the NFL operates as far as Market Price Contracts for QB’s. It’s obviously a flaw. I agree with you in principle.

But most teams suk it up and try to build around the best they can. I’d also argue our dysfunctional ownership could have managed the negotiations better.

And then once they caved in appeared to present decisions with agendas to support over paying him by wanting him to develop into a more prolific passing game QB than his effectiveness with a dominating running game.

So, our issues are complicated with poor management as well.

 

[kskboys]

You make a good point. But you're ignoring my problem. We don't have to have a super or bust mentality. But to pay a QB elite money that isn't elite is stupid. It's basically saying we know we can't win, so lets be happy we tried. Your goal should always be a championship. Not just good seasons. If we're paying an average to above average QB the same as an elite QB you're at a disadvantage. Right from the start!!! How do you make up for that? By paying him again? That's just stupid.

Most excellently well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I don't judge players based on team success and that includes Dak. I judge players based on what they are bringing to the team in relation to the resources they are consuming. Zeke and Dak started off as amazing players on amazing contracts. A huge plus to the team. Zeke ended up a massive burden. Dak is not on that level but he is no longer a net positive. You want to be the 40 million dollar princess then fine but you are no longer allowed to be the reason we lose.

When and how did it become OK to be paid at the top of the market but not perform anywhere near that?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Fans are so extreme on these fan boards. Not just Cowboys Zone. With that being said, CZ could just as easily stand for Crazed Zealots.

there are times extremecowboyszone.com makes the old extremeskins look calm

 

[kskboys]

I’m not advocating how the NFL operates as far as Market Price Contracts for QB’s. It’s obviously a flaw. I agree with you in principle.

But most teams suk it up and try to build around the best they can. I’d also argue our dysfunctional ownership could have managed the negotiations better.

And then once they caved in appeared to present decisions with agendas to support over paying him by wanting him to develop into a more prolific passing game QB than his effectiveness with a dominating running game.

So, our issues are complicated with poor management as well.

Yup on your last line.

To pay any player top of the market money, the GM must be adept at player evaluations. Jerry is absolutely awful at assessing and evaluating players.

 

[Miller]

A Super Bowl or Bust mentality is exactly what the article is criticizing . I’m not sure how or when this mentality has developed .

Maybe it’s the times we live in with all of the media glorification over winning championships or the gold medal?

Fans want a competitive and entertaining product. I’ve always considered winning championships as gravy. While it’s the ultimate goal it’s not the only goal . Remaining relevant is the initial goal .

Even back in our glory era what made us great was we were always contending . There were teams that won more championships than us but none was as a consistent contender as we were.

Well said....but I think your last paragraph explains the first sentence. I've said it about the frustration with many on the board. If you grew up in the mid 60s through the 90s (I started in 70s), there are only some years late 80s where people didn't think we had a shot to go all the way. Did it always work out? No, but that is why I'd cry after a game as a kid or it would ruin my week. I think the last 2-3 decades there has been a lot of "well we won the division" or "at least we made the playoffs." I think that is tough for many to swallow. To be one of 3 teams not to make a NFCCG in the time span is tough. JMO.

 

[Diehardblues]

When and how did it become OK to be paid at the top of the market but not perform anywhere near that?

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s OK. Unfortunately it’s become part of paying Market Price on new contracts .

You don’t have to be the top talent to receive top pay . Because the top pay basically changes every year .

 

[Diehardblues]

Well said....but I think your last paragraph explains the first sentence. I've said it about the frustration with many on the board. If you grew up in the mid 60s through the 90s (I started in 70s), there are only some years late 80s where people didn't think we had a shot to go all the way. Did it always work out? No, but that is why I'd cry after a game as a kid or it would ruin my week. I think the last 2-3 decades there has been a lot of "well we won the division" or "at least we made the playoffs." I think that is tough for many to swallow. To be one of 3 teams not to make a NFCCG in the time span is tough. JMO.

Absolutely. What many may not realize is during our greatest era of 20 consecutive winning seasons we had more Heartbreaks than any other era. Because we were always there.

We lost 3 Super Bowls , 2 NFL Title games including 7 NFL Championship games in that stretch . OMG it was brutal. It was more like a relief getting the monkey off our back when we finally won one .

We had the opportunity in that 20 years to go to 12 Super Bowls. And we only won 2. But the greatness is we always felt we had a shot.

Yea, this era is completely different. But there’s only been one constant throughout . It’s not because of Romo or Dak. It’s because of our ownership.

 

[jazzcat22]

we have sucked for 28+ years. wasn't that when Dak was born!? probably his fault for being born

Rowdy was born in 1996. Do the math.

 

[Diehardblues]

When we move on from Jethro and Son is when we can begin to raise Cowboys Football expectations .

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't judge players based on team success and that includes Dak. I judge players based on what they are bringing to the team in relation to the resources they are consuming. Zeke and Dak started off as amazing players on amazing contracts. A huge plus to the team. Zeke ended up a massive burden. Dak is not on that level but he is no longer a net positive. You want to be the 40 million dollar princess then fine but you are no longer allowed to be the reason we lose.

Are you kidding us? Football is the ultimate team sport.
An OL misses his block, the QB get hit just as he is passing, but it takes some off of the throw. And it gets picked. If you do not like the QB, you blame him. If you like the Qb you Balme the OL or something else. Including the OC for the play call.

Every thing matters. If the QB throws it a split second earlier because of the pass rush, it gets picked, if he gets hit, could be the same or an incomplete pass. Or throws it late, sack or a strip sack fumble type play.

Yes pay vs. play is a factor anymore, but may not be all on that player. Surround him with better players. I am not defending Dak, but even Mahomes needs an OL and some good skill players.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yes. Literally every Dak supporter has said that. You don't pay a QB top dollar that isn't a top QB unless you use the excuse of who else do we have? I don't care if he's top ten. He's being paid top 3. If he gets an extension next year it will be at the very top. For what? An above average QB? It's just stupid to pay a QB 50M a year just because you don't have an alternative. It's like buying a Honda Civic for 100k because it's the only car in the lot.

Nope. All I can tell you is that you have a poor understanding of how QB contracts work in the NFL. For a year Dak has been the 7th or 8th paid QB which is right where he should be. When QB's sign new contracts they are typically either breaking the old record or close to it. If you dont understand that, then thats your own issue.

And FYI...........Dak is a top QB in the NFL. Top 10. Which means he is top 10 in the world. Only 5-7 QB's better than Dak. Now whether you get that or understand that is in consequential.

Now paying Dak 50 million? Thats another conversation. I personally wouldnt pay him 50 million. So the question becomes what do you do? This team is currently in a window with Dak. Again, whether you understand that or not is inconsequential.

Its up to Jerry to make the few necessary moves to get the team to true contender level. But even then it guarantees nothing.

Problem is some other idiot owners have paid guys like Wilson and Watson 50 million. So its tough to make a case that Dak shouldnt get that.

So "letting Dak walk" is never an option. THAT is complete stupidity. Either you sign him or trade him. Those are the ONLY two options. And since it would be stupid to trade him with only Rush as your QB, its important to start developing a young QB. Problem is Jerry doesnt like to do that. So again, JERRY is the big problem. Not Dak.

 

[DFWJC]

Can't a day go by that we don't have one of these threads?
Same old topic bringing up the same old argument between the same old people
over and over and over and over

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not sure on your defensiveness to my post. It wasn't ripping Dak all around and basically said there are a host of issues along with QB. But you can't watch the 2 49er games and think Dak played well in the playoffs when it counted. Just like people think Romo screwed us on a dropped hold etc. I thought Romo did a lot of great stuff with a horrible line and many issues. Dak has had way more talent in years...not last year. But he had stacked years. I just don't get your comment. You can say Dak is better than Purdy or Garrappollo but he didn't play like it against them. That was my point...we have issues from the FO on down and in big time moments we have had many stars shrink. My theory is every position should have competition. Dak ended up taking a broken down Romo's place and Romo still had skill when not injured. You can't just stick with and pay one person because he is what we have, even if you think he is top 10. League is too volatile

You intimated that Dak and romo were the problem. They werent.

And now you cherry pick the two niner games and completely blow off the rest of his career and other 4 playoff games.

Overly putting stock in two playoff games against the #1 D in the NFL both times.

Does the Rams, GB, Seattle and Bucs playoff games not count to you? Is that because Dak played great in those playoff games?

LOL.........so your a Romo cry baby? Well that makes sense.

As far as competition Im all for that. But again, Jerry doesnt like to do that. So again Jerry is the problem, not Dak or Romo.

 

[jnday]

And there in lies your problem. You think its only one guy that does all the scoring on offense.

Understanding the game is important. Cherry picking also doesnt prove anything other than you draw conclusions improperly.

There is only one player that touches the ball on every offensive snap. He should be the leader of the offense and his play determines how good the offense performs. Fans don’t have to cherry-pick to see his struggles against the better teams in the league. The offense goes as he goes. He deserves the criticism when his play calls for it and it has called for it much to often.

 

[Diehardblues]

Nope. All I can tell you is that you have a poor understanding of how QB contracts work in the NFL. For a year Dak has been the 7th or 8th paid QB which is right where he should be. When QB's sign new contracts they are typically either breaking the old record or close to it. If you dont understand that, then thats your own issue.

And FYI...........Dak is a top QB in the NFL. Top 10. Which means he is top 10 in the world. Only 5-7 QB's better than Dak. Now whether you get that or understand that is in consequential.

Now paying Dak 50 million? Thats another conversation. I personally wouldnt pay him 50 million. So the question becomes what do you do? This team is currently in a window with Dak. Again, whether you understand that or not is inconsequential.

Its up to Jerry to make the few necessary moves to get the team to true contender level. But even then it guarantees nothing.

Problem is some other idiot owners have paid guys like Wilson and Watson 50 million. So its tough to make a case that Dak shouldnt get that.

So "letting Dak walk" is never an option. THAT is complete stupidity. Either you sign him or trade him. Those are the ONLY two options. And since it would be stupid to trade him with only Rush as your QB, its important to start developing a young QB. Problem is Jerry doesnt like to do that. So again, JERRY is the big problem. Not Dak.

Bingo!!

Well said Roy

 

[CowboyRoy]

There is only one player that touches the ball on every offensive snap. He should be the leader of the offense and his play determines how good the offense performs. Fans don’t have to cherry-pick to see his struggles against the better teams in the league. The offense goes as he goes. He deserves the criticism when his play calls for it and it has called for it much to often.

"there is only one player that touches the ball on every snap" Wow, thats some deep insight there. LOL

And this means the entire offense is up to him? Oline play doenst matter, scheme, play calls, running game, pass catchers, route running, execution of everyone, defense we play?

Yah, you clearly dont understand football or QB play. But we know this already.

Better teams? You mean teams like the Eagles, Giants, Vikings, Bucs? Beat them all this year under Dak. DOH!!!

Wait, so teams or QB struggle more against good teams or defenses? WOW who knew!!! LOL

Again, you dont understand football. Of course they do. Thats why they are good teams. The give other teams more problems. DUH!!!

 

[offlimits]

Maybe not Mahomes but how about Burrow or Josh Allen. You have to try to find the next stud QB. You just sit back and draft 6th round projects with very limited potential and your never going to get what you want. Dak did look like complete trash against the 49ers. Anyone that can't see that needs to get their eyes checked.

Agree. Draft a QB that they like in April no later than the 3rd round. At some point, you need to find someone that competes for the starting job.

 

[rambo2]

When and how did it become OK to be paid at the top of the market but not perform anywhere near that?

He isn't at the top.