BTB: Prediction: It won’t take long for Randy Gregory to win Cowboys starting right DE spot

[RoboQB]

With all the Gregory ball washing in here, it feels like 2015 again.

I'd like to mention here that I have my own personal ball washer.
I pay her a significant salary with benefits, including dental.

 

[Trouty]

college? did you say college? you did say college? right? unfortunately this is the NFL.....

and the tapes you saw are from 2015...right...its 2018...3 years later...

What the **** are you going on about?

 

[atlantacowboy]

I'd like to mention here that I have my own personal ball washer.
I pay her a significant salary with benefits, including dental.

Well, dental is only fair given the job.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Get this BS outta here.

Right, b/c being suspended for 26 out of the last 32 games is only going to make him better. Lets roll that tape from 2014 and pass whatever your smoking.

 

[Idgit]

If he had a sickness or something mental going down....I can't say he let this team down. A bit harsh.

That’s how I generally felt until the stories of him falling in with Hardy and doing coke came out. Bipolar, maybe. Addicted, sure. But whatever the reasons, he let the team down after they took a risk on him. So far, at least. Reinstatement doesn’t give him a mulligan. He’s got to earn one.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What the **** are you going on about?

touting randy Gregory's run defense ability, from 2015,....... Randy Gregory is not necessarily stout against the run in NFL specially at DE at 245 going against LT and Guards who are 300+. and he has only played 13 games in 3 years since drafted. missing 35 games........everyone is trying to pencil him as a starter where he will be lucky to make the team

 

[LACowboysFan1]

This article sums up many of the reasons why I'm excited to see Randy Gregory back in the fold. It details many of the special qualities and attributes that he brings that other players simply can't. And it a big reason why this team took the risk of drafting him in the first place. A risk we can all hope finally pays off:


In the blink of an eye, the Cowboys just may have one of the fiercest edge rush presences in the NFL in 2018. At the very least, this is one of the best ensembles of raw pass rushing talents that the Cowboys have had in years. The highlight of the 2017 season was the emergence of DeMarcus Lawrence, who was finally healthy. Lawrence became the first Cowboys defensive lineman since Jason Hatcher in 2011 to record double-digit sacks with 14.5.

Behind Lawrence, the Cowboys have Tyrone Crawford, last-year’s first-rounder Taco Charlton, Kony Ealy, Charles Tapper, and this year’s fourth-rounder Dorance Armstrong. Yet, it wasn’t until a few days ago that we found out former 2015 second-round pick Randy Gregory would be rejoining the team after being reinstated by the commissioner. Though Gregory has been on an 18-month layoff, his return can not be overstated. This is huge news for the Dallas Cowboys.



https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...gregory-to-win-cowboys-starting-right-de-spot

Wow, talk about optimism! But hold on bucko, nice to be positive and I'd love to see that, but let's inject a bit of reality here:

Gregory has 1 sack in 14 games, and as the article says been off for 18 months. But "his return can not be overstated"??? Going from a twice suspended player to top pass rusher in one season is way overstated, even if it happens it's hardly a sure thing. And that's IF he doesn't fail another test, itself hardly a sure thing.

Lawrence? It appears he has gotten to the high level everyone has hope for, but he did have back surgery, that could flair up. And guys who have 14.5 sacks one year get more attention from other teams, he has to duplicate that season. I think he can, but one good season does not a perennial Pro Bowler make.

Taco? HIgh draft choice who couldn't become a starter on a team with no double digit sack guy since 2011, he might be ready but little history to be assured of that.

Tyrone Crawford? He's never had more than 5 sacks and 25 tackles, not bad but he's going to make this team a much-feared pass rushing team?

Ealy. On his third team, other than "can't afford him", top or even very good pass rushers seldom get released by two teams. Maybe scheme is the problem and he'll flourish in Dallas, but that's not his history.

Tapper? Chronic back condition, oft injured. Not the most agile pass rusher. He has ZERO history of great play on the field, a big unknown.

Armstrong? A rookie, fourth rounder. Yes players "slip through the cracks" (Brady), but is that what you want to base predictions on? A "misunderstood" player?

Not saying I'm down on all the guys, but we've seen and heard off and on for 20 years how this team is "loaded" with talent and "ready to take the next step". and the result? 2 playoff wins.

And that's totally ignoring the coaching questions, having a very young team and seeing the defense fall apart because of losing one player (Lee) for some games.

Like I said, I'd love to see this team become another 1970's defense, with a Randy White, Harvey Martin and Jethro Pugh, et al.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves, at least see Gregory not be suspended, Lawrence continue his good play and the young guys "step up" during pre-season before we get out teh annointing oil...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s how I generally felt until the stories of him falling in with Hardy and doing coke came out. Bipolar, maybe. Addicted, sure. But whatever the reasons, he let the team down after they took a risk on him. So far, at least. Reinstatement doesn’t give him a mulligan. He’s got to earn one.

Ok I haven't heard about him doing coke....let me shut up lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

touting randy Gregory's run defense ability, from 2015,....... Randy Gregory is not necessarily stout against the run in NFL specially at DE at 245 going against LT and Guards who are 300+. and he has only played 13 games in 3 years since drafted. missing 35 games........everyone is trying to pencil him as a starter where he will be lucky to make the team

He won't be lucky to make the team. Not saying he can't be cut but this team did waste 2 years just to cut him now.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

This article still won't stop the naysayers and the usual suspects though. I am sure they will be coming out of the woodwork soon.
Instead of accepting the possibility Gregory can compete at a high level by the end of TC, and stay clean, they will give the usual stuff.

Gregory can get in the mythical football shape over an off season, just as well as any other player can.
That football shape may only apply if a player returns mid season.

I don't think most here can't "accept the possibility" of Gregory being able to compete at a high level, some have totally washed their hands of him, but I think most are like me, of the "gotta show me" viewpoint....

 

[LACowboysFan1]

He won't be lucky to make the team. Not saying he can't be cut but this team did waste 2 years just to cut him now.

Even with the investment of 2 years, I think he is subject to being cut, he'll have to outplay several others to get one of the spots on the 53...

 

[JustChip]

I don't think most here can't "accept the possibility" of Gregory being able to compete at a high level, some have totally washed their hands of him, but I think most are like me, of the "gotta show me" viewpoint....

I'm cautiously optimistic, but other worldly expectations are folly. He's no different than any other 2nd round pick (or 1st if you want to go with where the experts pegged him talentwise) - he's got to show he can perform at this level. We've had very brief glimpses, which are positive, but now is when the cheese gets binding for him.

 

[JustChip]

Even with the investment of 2 years, I think he is subject to being cut, he'll have to outplay several others to get one of the spots on the 53...

I don't think he'll get cut, but I agree, he's not guaranteed anything. He may actually have to outperform just simply because of the trust factor. You've got to have significant trust to keep him on the roster if he's simply as good as someone else.

 

[Trouty]

touting randy Gregory's run defense ability, from 2015,....... Randy Gregory is not necessarily stout against the run in NFL specially at DE at 245 going against LT and Guards who are 300+. and he has only played 13 games in 3 years since drafted. missing 35 games........everyone is trying to pencil him as a starter where he will be lucky to make the team

I posted a vid that addresses the notion that he isn’t a good run defender. Yes, it’s from college. But that’s really all we have

You’re argument is tired and beaten to death. “Lucky to make the team” gtho

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I posted a vid that addresses the notion that he isn’t a good run defender. Yes, it’s from college. But that’s really all we have

Yes, but that's not enough to go all ape you-know-what over what he'll do if and when he plays. Nobody can predict his future, the possibilities go from being caught smoking again & being kicked out of the league to being All Pro in 2018.

Just no way to know for sure.

 

[Trouty]

Yes, but that's not enough to go all ape you-know-what over what he'll do if and when he plays. Nobody can predict his future, the possibilities go from being caught smoking again & being kicked out of the league to being All Pro in 2018.

Just no way to know for sure.

I agree. But I’m still gonna go ape-you-know-what about him.

Mmkay?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Even with the investment of 2 years, I think he is subject to being cut, he'll have to outplay several others to get one of the spots on the 53...

Several other either nobodies or projects though.

 

[Batman1980]

I see almost no way Gregory is All-Pro this year. He'd have to explode like Tank did last year and we have too much talent at DE to have 1 guy who isn't Tank get 14+ sacks.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He won't be lucky to make the team. Not saying he can't be cut but this team did waste 2 years just to cut him now.

we didn't waste two years. he did. we wasted a 2nd round pick and since then we have kind of moved on by investing a 1st round pick, a 4th round pick and signed a free agent.

in the past two years he cost us nothing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I posted a vid that addresses the notion that he isn’t a good run defender. Yes, it’s from college. But that’s really all we have

You’re argument is tired and beaten to death. “Lucky to make the team” gtho

that's my opinion. there is a lot of things that point to him not being a starter and competing with others for a position on the team. with that said, he also needs to show he can play special teams.