I never used the word elite. I said for some reason Eli and the team stepped up during the playoffs (which is obvious since they were never SB favorites) and they were clutch plays.
Throwing the ball up for grabs is clutch? C'mooooon.
Did you watch his playoff runs? He failed miserably against SF and got bailed out by 2 Kyle Williams fumbles. And then got bailed out by his D in the 07 super bowl. He didn't make massive plays, the D did. Held one of the highest scoring O's of all time to 14 pts.
I'm not taking away from what Eli accomplished, two rings is impressive in any context, he was never consistent enough to be considered "elite", though. He lead the league in INTs 3 different seasons, made the playoffs in only 6 of 16 seasons and only out of the 1st rd of playoffs twice, but he played well those those two times. Flacco may have played the best stretch of football any QB has ever played during his Super Bowl season, but like Eli, that doesn't make him an elite QB.
I understand what you’re saying but the guy won two rings. Sure some luck was involved but that’s typically what happens if you play good enough to get kick to go your way. Mahoneys benefits from a Jalen Hurts fumble which completely turned the game around in the SB two years ago.
Why do people ignore everything else someone writes about multiple plays and then just simplistically diminish them to “throwing it up for grabs”?
He is a smart QB with a talented arm that made many big throw when required. Sure the defense was incredible. Of course the other team made mistakes. All of that is required to win it all. Eli did his part and he did it well. He deserves the credit. 6 TDs to 1 INT in first SB win over 4 games. 9 TDs to 1 INT in second SB win over 4 more games. Average QB rating in those 8 games well over 100. He was a big part of why they won and perhaps most importantly he never blew it so they always had the chance to win.
He didn't. The D did.
The poster called it clutch, not me. Why are you ignoring what was said to simplistically attempt to bull your agenda in? Looks to me like you're the one doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing.
I don't despise Eli. Eli won due to a great D play, and you cannot take that away.
IMHO there is no way those teams win those superbowls with 2023 Dak as the QB.
He didn't.
Yes, there is. However, Dak would have to play according to how the OC told him to. W/ Big Brandon and the best DLine in the game to lean on, he might've easily done better than Eli.
IMHO Dak does not threaten the sidelines like Eli did. That is the main difference between the two. We end up playing between the hash marks. The run game gets shut down. The windows get tight and mistakes get made. Eli would always keep throwing to the sidelines not only giving the WRs a chance at a big play but keeping the defense spread out and honest.
My original post was a response to Elite QBs inspire others to play better and mediocre QBs inspire other to play worse. I don't know anyone, probably even many Giants fans, that would call Eli elite. It wasn't an attempt to bag on Eli, just illustrate that he wasn't an elite QB but still managed two rings against not just an elite QB, but one many consider the GOAT. Eli was a mediocre QB that just happened to have some great moments, he didn't "carry" teams to success or Super Bowls, but that didn't mean he couldn't be part of their success either. Eli Face is not inspirational.
Well I don’t think anyone ever says Eli was great. I for sure don’t. But even if the defense did limit opponents you still have to score and Eli faced some tough teams. That Giants was never good enough to beat the teams they beat especially the Patriots twice. I’m not a fan but to quarterback a team to a SB and see Brady twice and go undefeated against Bellichat? Gotta give credit where it’s due especially as a Cowboy fan who hasn’t seen it in 28 years.
