Byron Jones Regressing?

[nettorrep22]

You guys seriously need to watch the games. He's been excellent this year. Not a person in the NFL thinks he's even average at safety.




YR

Does anyone remember the Ken Hamlin years? Other than the contract year? RW38? Even Sensy/Church? We don’t give up huge deep balls and aren’t out of position anymore. I’ll take Byron patrolling all day. Plus he plays slot and holds TEs (that are actually Lebron James playing a fake TE position) to nothing.

 

[RS12]

My personal take is that I dont see him regressing. He was just never that good. .

What an interesting take. Imagine if he hadnt been over drafted by three rounds because of his broad jump.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

Average at best

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Does anyone remember the Ken Hamlin years? Other than the contract year? RW38? Even Sensy/Church? We don’t give up huge deep balls and aren’t out of position anymore. I’ll take Byron patrolling all day. Plus he plays slot and holds TEs (that are actually Lebron James playing a fake TE position) to nothing.

He's also very good against the run, on screens and in matchup zone.

Hamlin and Sensabaugh were part of Wade's/Brian Stewart's defense. Different scheme likely to lead to more turnovers than this archaic scheme we're stuck in.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Can you provide some sources of who is saying that? Never heard anyone say he is a "top" safety... in game announcers don't count.

Louis Riddick, Greg Cosell, Matt Bowen just to name a few.

It's really embarrassing to read some of the comments here...but people love to try and make first round bust accusations even if it exposes them for not knowing what they are talking about.




YR

 

[xwalker]

It's been tough to tell how bad the S play is because of the mess in front of them a lot of the time. We've seen a couple of blown coverages, and we've seen Heath almost snap and ACL a couple of times now overrunning a play to make a tackle in space, but I agree that he's been disappointing, but not nearly the problem he's been made out to be.

Jones has been solid, as far as I can tell, and good when he's got man coverage responsibilities. The DEN game was bad, but IIRC, he had a soft tissue injury (groin?) that game that was probably part of the deal for him there. But the teams that ate us alive were doing it mostly by taking advantage of the underneath coverage holes that the LBs had been giving up.

I agree with you on Awuzie, too. I think they like him at S and like him for this year, if he can get on the field. I haven't noticed Lee being anything but his usual fantastic self (other than the blown tackles in DEN, but that game I'm considering a mulligan for everybody). I'll have to go back and pay more attention next time around.

I'm not saying Lee is not playing well. I just don't think his range is a good as last year.

 

[stiletto]

Louis Riddick, Greg Cosell, Matt Bowen just to name a few.

It's really embarrassing to read some of the comments here...but people love to try and make first round bust accusations even if it exposes them for not knowing what they are talking about.

YR

I was wanting your sources because I just haven't heard this praise. Everything I can find clearly has B.Jones rated middle of the pack or a little worse at his position, Rotoworld, etc. Im not saying you are wrong but I just dont think he has made enough big plays to be top 10. Those spots are usually taken over by guys who have interceptions at safety or incredible Pass deflection numbers..

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I was wanting your sources because I just haven't heard this praise. Everything I can find clearly has B.Jones rated middle of the pack or a little worse at his position, Rotoworld, etc. Im not saying you are wrong but I just dont think he has made enough big plays to be top 10. Those spots are usually taken over by guys who have interceptions at safety or incredible Pass deflection numbers..

Taking numbers from Rotoworld to judge a safety is about like judging Witten's play over the years purely on his TD's or lack thereof.

One would tell you that he hasn't been that good of a TE, but considering how beneficial Witten has been in the passing game, moving the chains, coming up with huge receptions and his blocking it paints a different story. Part of Witten's inability to get TD's in his career has been on him since he's not a major deep threat and he's only okay at faking runs and sneaking out for the pass in the Red Zone. But it also has to do with a scheme, having somebody like Dez catch passes for TD's instead and Romo throwing the overhand quick pass to the TE was probably Romo's worst part of his game.

And it's just like the people here who said that Jalen Ramsey was not going to be any good and couldn't make interceptions because he didn't make them in college. Tough to make INT's as a safety when you're playing a lot of man and rarely are allowed to play short and intermediate zone coverage outside of matchup zone on 3rd and short and you rarely get to bracket receivers. Those are things that Landon Collins gets to do and allow him to be inferior in coverage skills but still make plays.




YR

 

[Zordon]

Louis Riddick, Greg Cosell, Matt Bowen just to name a few.

It's really embarrassing to read some of the comments here...but people love to try and make first round bust accusations even if it exposes them for not knowing what they are talking about.

YR

Both Riddick and Cosell have had good things to say about him in the past. Neither have spoken positively about him this year.

 

[khiladi]

Does anyone remember the Ken Hamlin years? Other than the contract year? RW38? Even Sensy/Church? We don’t give up huge deep balls and aren’t out of position anymore. I’ll take Byron patrolling all day. Plus he plays slot and holds TEs (that are actually Lebron James playing a fake TE position) to nothing.

Part of the reason our pass defense was garbage was because Bradie James and Akin Ayodele absolutely sucked in coverage..

 

[CowboyRoy]

I didn't say he was a great safety, but he is a solid player. He's not a Pro Bowl talent, at least not yet. However, I don't expect every player Dallas acquires in the draft to turn out to be Pro Bowlers. Most coaches can win if you give them enough solid players with a few Pro Bowl types.

Not in my book. You need play makers to win the SB, not solid players. I will look for play makers, while you champion the solid players.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Your standard is unrealistic and juvenile....... no one is gonna be the next Darren Woodson

Instant starter is a huge win......HUGE

Your standards are pathetic and depressing. There is nothing HUGE about Jones. LOL

Step out into the light brother. Are you that beaten down as a Cowboys fan?

 

[CowboyRoy]

What an interesting take. Imagine if he hadnt been over drafted by three rounds because of his broad jump.

Athletic projects with good measurables and they pass they eye test. Like Taco. Not the greatest of drafting strategies.

 

[gimmesix]

Not in my book. You need play makers to win the SB, not solid players. I will look for play makers, while you champion the solid players.

No, I just believe it's unrealistic to expect every player to be a "playmaker." I don't think anyone wouldn't prefer that every player be an All-Pro, but you're just not going to get that.

I believe you have to expect some solid players, guys like Jones, who can cover tight ends and win most of the time, who comes up and makes the tackle most of the time or who forces the quarterback to choose to pick another target. I believe Jones would be a starter on pretty much every team in the league because he is a solid player, while fans are always looking for the spectacular that only makes up a small percentage of each position.

Fans throw out the "we could haves," like we could have had Landon Collins, but every team could do that. How many teams with so-so quarterbacks have fans saying, "We could have had Dak Prescott"?

We can win with players like Jones. There are players on this defense that I can say the same about. Blaming Jones is misdirected.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Byron has perfected his Gun and Holster celebration...

 

[CowboyRoy]

No, I just believe it's unrealistic to expect every player to be a "playmaker." I don't think anyone wouldn't prefer that every player be an All-Pro, but you're just not going to get that.

I believe you have to expect some solid players, guys like Jones, who can cover tight ends and win most of the time, who comes up and makes the tackle most of the time or who forces the quarterback to choose to pick another target. I believe Jones would be a starter on pretty much every team in the league because he is a solid player, while fans are always looking for the spectacular that only makes up a small percentage of each position.

Fans throw out the "we could haves," like we could have had Landon Collins, but every team could do that. How many teams with so-so quarterbacks have fans saying, "We could have had Dak Prescott"?

We can win with players like Jones. There are players on this defense that I can say the same about. Blaming Jones is misdirected.

I said nothing about EVERY player. You made that up. Im talking about Jones. He is a middle of the road, NON play maker. You said it yourself. He is "solid".

First round picks are supposed to become your stars. Nobody drafts in the first round hoping for solid players. Jones is part of the problem with the D, not part of the solution.

If you disagree with that, by all means you are entitled to that opinion.

And I am glad you mentioned Collins. Perfect example of a GREAT safety. Solid vs great. Collins needs no one to stick up for him. His play speaks for itself.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No, I just believe it's unrealistic to expect every player to be a "playmaker." I don't think anyone wouldn't prefer that every player be an All-Pro, but you're just not going to get that.

I believe you have to expect some solid players, guys like Jones, who can cover tight ends and win most of the time, who comes up and makes the tackle most of the time or who forces the quarterback to choose to pick another target. I believe Jones would be a starter on pretty much every team in the league because he is a solid player, while fans are always looking for the spectacular that only makes up a small percentage of each position.

Fans throw out the "we could haves," like we could have had Landon Collins, but every team could do that. How many teams with so-so quarterbacks have fans saying, "We could have had Dak Prescott"?

We can win with players like Jones. There are players on this defense that I can say the same about. Blaming Jones is misdirected.

And as far as Jones being a starter on almost every team that is an absolute joke. He won the starting job over scrubs and now by default.

 

[John813]

Your standard is unrealistic and juvenile....... no one is gonna be the next Darren Woodson

Instant starter is a huge win......HUGE

I suppose, but not like he had any competition for that role. Wasn't like he pushed out an established starter, as we went dirt cheap at the safety spot with projects and vets till we drafted him.

Think he has been decent/good overall, but instant starter doesn't mean much when the competition was non existent.
Our safeties for 2015 were: Church, Heath, Jones, McCray, Tim Scott, Wilcox and Corey White.

 

[Zekeats]

His lone int came on a Hail Mary before halftime of a game. Everyone keeps talking him up and he has made some little plays I just wish he would make more plays on the ball and get some INTs

 

[Redball Express]

Here we are. The weekly Byron Jones complaint. Dude is playing well. He isn't getting interceptions, agreed. I don't believe any safety in the league is asked to play as much man to man as he does.

I also think because he is suddenly the vet along with Scandrick..

they are trying to cover along with the rookies and its affecting his play.

Sunday they played well but the QB was not a challenge.

The next 4 games are our season at this point.

One more loss and we are sinking fast..

Good thing we don't worry about such things around here.