Calling all Olgetree fans

[Coakleys Dad]

ogletree can do everything roy can do(if not more) with less money.

Duck..!!!!

 

[Woods]

I don't know if Ogletree will amount to a quality WR or not . . . . but

that catch he made against NO along the sidelines was brilliant.

When I saw the quality of that reception, I thought that the kid has a chance to be (very) good. For a rookie FA, with very limited playing experience in the pros, that catch showed me that he must put a lot of time into practicing and improving his trade.

If he's practicing hard, which I think he is given his increased reps in games, along with his physical attributes (esp. his quickness and speed), he's got a chance to be really good, IMO.

I'm excited to see how he progresses.

That said, if he have the opportunity to pick up another speed WR in FA or in the draft, I'm definitely not opposed to it.

 

[TheCount]

I want to find the reasons for all the Ogletree hype going on around in the forum. I just cant understand what so many people are so excited about. Now this doesnt mean i have an opinion either way on whether he will ever be a starting caliber player in the NFL. I dont know. He has 6 pro catches. Thats right 6 catches. Why do so many people keep calling for him to start? I know people have made it their person mission to bash Roy Williams every chance they get and i dont post this in defense of Roy. I just want to figure out why i keep reading post after post about how Ogletree is the answer to Roy's lack of production.

Please explain a few points.

Ogletree's best college year was 58 catches 723 yards and 5 TD's.

He wasnt drafted for a reason. He wasnt productive enough in college and now he is supposed to come in as a rookie and leapfrog Crayton and Hurd.

Sam Hurd best college year was 65 catches 1064 yards and 13 td's. He is only 24 years old. Why is no one making his case?

Crayton has produced tons more than ogletree.


Please explain what is so amazing about this guy that warrants him leapfrogging Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd? What are these amazing factors that qualifies him to get so much hype?

Every game when he catches a pass the groupies come out and call for him to start. He has 6 catches for the season. 6.

lol, is this some kind of sarcastic joke? If so brilliant.

These are all the same things people said about Austin.

 

[802dave]

I'll say this for the 4th time in this thread so people can stop asking. I never said there is anything about Ogletree that I dont like. This isnt like the Roy Williams debate people love to engage in. The curiosity over this is why this message board fanbase has gone so crazy over an undrafted rookie with only 6 catches in 14 games?

It amazes me how many people have agreed with the poster with the long list of all world skills ogletree has. This is from limited playing time. Even if you are a guy who gets all geeked up about preseason stats there just still isnt enough to say he is this great player that is ready to replace Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd.

We just cant say at this point. Is their potential? Yes. But there isnt production. Not on any level since high school. He was ok in college. Not great. He had an ok preseason. Not great. He looks ok when given the chance on a few select routes in the regular season. Not great.

The point is that none of us can know. I am not saying he isnt any good. I'm not against more chances to show something. I just dont think us fans have enough to go on at this point. The ones who do watch him and know more than us are choosing to leave him on the sidelines. After all he has 6 catches.

Those same folks are the ones that kept Austin on the sidelines while he recovered from injuries and developed specific skills. He may still be on the sideline if it weren't for Roy's injury.

I'm not saying they should just put him out there and give up on Hurd & Crayton, however, what I think a lot of people are saying is that in watching Ogletree, he reminds us of intense competitive players such as Steve Smith or Terry Glenn; his routes are quick, precise, and his runs after catch are inspiring to watch.

Watching Crayton at times makes you wonder where he's jogging to. I don't feel Crayton's passion. I'd like to see the passion and drive of a Terry Glenn out there! I see a bit of that in Ogletree. Did you watch Steve Smith Monday night? A player like that can fire a team up! Romo sees something in him! Let Ogletree develop and let's see if he's that player.

 

[T-RO]

I just dont think us fans have enough to go on at this point. The ones who do watch him and know more than us are choosing to leave him on the sidelines.

Hmmm...

Not so sure you aren't missing a very important fact. Is Tree on the sidelines because of quality of play or because of Jerry's ego and money attachment to Roy?

Babe Lauf goes on and on praising O-tree and IMO that's clearly because he's getting his info from the inside... from Romo or from Red...maybe both.

Ogletree should have replaced Williams by now--or at least been given sufficient reps to have a chance to do so. He's clearly played better. I don't know but I suspect It's more Jerry BS....which again is costing this team.

 

[lqmac1]

I want to find the reasons for all the Ogletree hype going on around in the forum. I just cant understand what so many people are so excited about. Now this doesnt mean i have an opinion either way on whether he will ever be a starting caliber player in the NFL. I dont know. He has 6 pro catches. Thats right 6 catches. Why do so many people keep calling for him to start? I know people have made it their person mission to bash Roy Williams every chance they get and i dont post this in defense of Roy. I just want to figure out why i keep reading post after post about how Ogletree is the answer to Roy's lack of production.

Please explain a few points.

Ogletree's best college year was 58 catches 723 yards and 5 TD's.

He wasnt drafted for a reason. He wasnt productive enough in college and now he is supposed to come in as a rookie and leapfrog Crayton and Hurd.

Sam Hurd best college year was 65 catches 1064 yards and 13 td's. He is only 24 years old. Why is no one making his case?

Crayton has produced tons more than ogletree.


Please explain what is so amazing about this guy that warrants him leapfrogging Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd? What are these amazing factors that qualifies him to get so much hype?

Every game when he catches a pass the groupies come out and call for him to start. He has 6 catches for the season. 6.

well put romo,austin,brady down for the same reason I guess

his qb was awfull... that's been discussed already... if you watch him play you know he has potential... roy blows period

 

[JBond]

lol, is this some kind of sarcastic joke? If so brilliant.

These are all the same things people said about Austin.

If we ran the bubble screen every play he would be an all-pro.

 

[couchscout]

As an active football coach, one who has in the past coached recievers, I can add some to this conversation.

You would be shocked by how much I can tell about a reciever by just playing catch with him, both of us standing 10 feet from each other.

-How natural does he look catching the ball. does he look like he's been doing it his whole life, or like he just learned last week, or perhaps somewhere in between?
- Can he carry on a conversation with you while playing, or does he stop throwing to talk, or stop talking so he can catch?
- When the ball is thrown low does he point his fingers down to make the catch?
- On poorly thrown passes how well does he adjust to make the catch?
- How much noise is made when he catches the ball (sounds wierd I know, but its actually a good indicator)

Now, you take that same guy, and have him run routes against one on one coverage and you can see a whole slew of new things

- Can he beat press coverage?
- How fast and how quick is he?
- Does he break his routes off at the proper depth? And before his break does he take 23 chop steps, or does he stick his foot in the ground and break?
- How quickly does he get his head around to look for the ball after his break?
- Does he use route stems to set up DBs?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender draped on him?
- Can he track the ball over both shoulders comfortably or does he prefer a side?

Then, you take that same guy and watch him run routes against a full defense where he is the primary receiver, and again a whole bunch of new things come to light.

- When running routes against zone coverage does he settle in the hole or just run right past it?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender about to lay him out?
- Is he willing to jump for a ball when playing against a live defense?
- When the play breaks down, does roll with his QB and get open?

And those are just the basic things. You have to keep in mind that yes Ogletree only has 6 catches, but he's been on the field way, way more than that, not to mention all the action he saw in the pre-season, and then there are plenty of us who watched him practice at training camp. So claiming that we are making our observations based on just 6 catches is patently absurd.

All that said, I really like Ogletree as a reciever. We obviously still need to see him on the field more to make a final determination, but all the signs are there, all the attributes are there. It pretty much comes down how much he wants it at this point.

 

[BAZ]

Don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back.

 

[Woods]

As an active football coach, one who has in the past coached recievers, I can add some to this conversation.

You would be shocked by how much I can tell about a reciever by just playing catch with him, both of us standing 10 feet from each other.

-How natural does he look catching the ball. does he look like he's been doing it his whole life, or like he just learned last week, or perhaps somewhere in between?
- Can he carry on a conversation with you while playing, or does he stop throwing to talk, or stop talking so he can catch?
- When the ball is thrown low does he point his fingers down to make the catch?
- On poorly thrown passes how well does he adjust to make the catch?
- How much noise is made when he catches the ball (sounds wierd I know, but its actually a good indicator)

Now, you take that same guy, and have him run routes against one on one coverage and you can see a whole slew of new things

- Can he beat press coverage?
- How fast and how quick is he?
- Does he break his routes off at the proper depth? And before his break does he take 23 chop steps, or does he stick his foot in the ground and break?
- How quickly does he get his head around to look for the ball after his break?
- Does he use route stems to set up DBs?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender draped on him?
- Can he track the ball over both shoulders comfortably or does he prefer a side?

Then, you take that same guy and watch him run routes against a full defense where he is the primary receiver, and again a whole bunch of new things come to light.

- When running routes against zone coverage does he settle in the hole or just run right past it?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender about to lay him out?
- Is he willing to jump for a ball when playing against a live defense?
- When the play breaks down, does roll with his QB and get open?

And those are just the basic things. You have to keep in mind that yes Ogletree only has 6 catches, but he's been on the field way, way more than that, not to mention all the action he saw in the pre-season, and then there are plenty of us who watched him practice at training camp. So claiming that we are making our observations based on just 6 catches is patently absurd.

All that said, I really like Ogletree as a reciever. We obviously still need to see him on the field more to make a final determination, but all the signs are there, all the attributes are there. It pretty much comes down how much he wants it at this point.

Your comments are interesting, esp things you can tell by playing catch with a WR.

 

[BigDFan5]

I know the game of football quite well.

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[theogt]

His comments come from training camp.

Actually, they came from after training camp, but I'm not sure it matters. Fact is, he said it. So, for anyone to try to claim he thinks otherwise is pure stupidity.

And then the kid has six catches in fourteen games.

The bias in this thread is evident. Stats suggest something entirely different than a fanbase trying to find a solution for a player they have written off.

The stats suggest that an undrafted free agent receiver, who was 6th on the depth chart, at best, when we signed him, is pushing for playing time.

That's impressive.

I try not to have any pet cats and just enjoy the team and game for what they are.

This is more due to your limitations than your preference. I can't imagine how you could possibly have pet cats, given how long it takes you to identify talent. One practically has to be putting up 1000 yards per season before you'll realize the talent exists.

 

[The Realist]

Jay Ratliff had 2 sacks in college. Zero as a Sophomore, 1 as a Junior and 1 as a Senior.

 

[Bleu Star]

Romo likes throwing to him.

There's your answer OP.

 

[Bleu Star]

Jay Ratliff had 2 sacks in college. Zero as a Sophomore, 1 as a Junior and 1 as a Senior.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Ogletree looks the part to me. Most things being covered, it stands out the most that he is truely an athlete, but he is way more of a natural WR than Roy.

 

[superonyx]

Jay Ratliff had 2 sacks in college. Zero as a Sophomore, 1 as a Junior and 1 as a Senior.

So did Frank Barnes. Lets make him the starting LE.

In fact we can find tons of players who were not very good in college.
Nice try.

 

[superonyx]

As an active football coach, one who has in the past coached recievers, I can add some to this conversation.

You would be shocked by how much I can tell about a reciever by just playing catch with him, both of us standing 10 feet from each other.

-How natural does he look catching the ball. does he look like he's been doing it his whole life, or like he just learned last week, or perhaps somewhere in between?
- Can he carry on a conversation with you while playing, or does he stop throwing to talk, or stop talking so he can catch?
- When the ball is thrown low does he point his fingers down to make the catch?
- On poorly thrown passes how well does he adjust to make the catch?
- How much noise is made when he catches the ball (sounds wierd I know, but its actually a good indicator)

Now, you take that same guy, and have him run routes against one on one coverage and you can see a whole slew of new things

- Can he beat press coverage?
- How fast and how quick is he?
- Does he break his routes off at the proper depth? And before his break does he take 23 chop steps, or does he stick his foot in the ground and break?
- How quickly does he get his head around to look for the ball after his break?
- Does he use route stems to set up DBs?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender draped on him?
- Can he track the ball over both shoulders comfortably or does he prefer a side?

Then, you take that same guy and watch him run routes against a full defense where he is the primary receiver, and again a whole bunch of new things come to light.

- When running routes against zone coverage does he settle in the hole or just run right past it?
- Can he catch the ball with a defender about to lay him out?
- Is he willing to jump for a ball when playing against a live defense?
- When the play breaks down, does roll with his QB and get open?

And those are just the basic things. You have to keep in mind that yes Ogletree only has 6 catches, but he's been on the field way, way more than that, not to mention all the action he saw in the pre-season, and then there are plenty of us who watched him practice at training camp. So claiming that we are making our observations based on just 6 catches is patently absurd.

All that said, I really like Ogletree as a reciever. We obviously still need to see him on the field more to make a final determination, but all the signs are there, all the attributes are there. It pretty much comes down how much he wants it at this point.

So you can tell this from having a catch? Which team hired you as their scouting director? 32 teams including the Cowboys watch tape on him from just a year ago plus watched him at the scouting combine and decided not to risk any draft picks on him. So according to what you can tell by just a 10 minute catch someone should have drafted him. hmmm.

Again i am not saying he cant develop into a star. I am saying that he is just a rookie. Sure Romo, Austin ect ect were undrafted players who are now stars but they didnt do it in their first year. They had to develop into stars. You people already have in there....

 

[Vintage]

Ogletree looked nice on those screens.

And that one catch near the sideline, tip-toeing inbounds against Nawlins...

That being said, I still want to see Dallas draft a WR in the 2nd-4th round to develop.

 

[jackrussell]

So you can tell this from having a catch? Which team hired you as their scouting director? 32 teams including the Cowboys watch tape on him from just a year ago plus watched him at the scouting combine and decided not to risk any draft picks on him. So according to what you can tell by just a 10 minute catch someone should have drafted him. hmmm.

Again i am not saying he cant develop into a star. I am saying that he is just a rookie. Sure Romo, Austin ect ect were undrafted players who are now stars but they didnt do it in their first year. They had to develop into stars. You people already have in there....

OK you asked for opinions, you got'em, discounted them.

Some people like him, you obviously don't like him enough. Point taken.

Thanks for the thread.