Calling all Olgetree fans

[cowboyjoe]

I like Olgetree. He looks to have good speed, runs good routs and thus far looks to have good hands. I think if he goes out and puts in the work this off season his time will come. I have seen nothing from him to have a negitive view about.

exactly he has to work, get the experience and keep working, just like drew pearson did his first 2 years in dallas and you all saw what drew did.

 

[Doomsday101]

You got love this conversations, a player does well but that is not good enough we need to trash other players. I'm glad Olgetree is a member of this team, I like having Austin, RW and Crayton as well.

Way I see it I would rather have a few more weapons than not enough but as normal around here discussions turn into the same old crud as it did with Carter\Hutchinson debates sad part about that debate was neither man was that good to begin with.

Right now we have some good young players who are contributing to this team and look to have a future I can't see why that is not good enough right now.

 

[ologan]

What makes this a good list?
I assume its good because it is both accurate and you agree. So please explain how you know these things? Is it from his 6 catches this entire year? Or is it from the insider info you have from the team?

I'm trying to understand the hype machine so maybe i can jump on someday.

Don't even try...there ain't enough room for you!

 

[Doomsday101]

exactly he has to work, get the experience and keep working, just like drew pearson did his first 2 years in dallas and you all saw what drew did.

I fully agree and anything we are getting from him now is icing on the cake. Is he ready to take on the bigger role where defense are able to focus on him because right now much like Phillips these are after thoughts for DC. That is not a knock on Phillips or Olgetree but the truth of the matter there is a big differance coming off the bench in a role situation than it is being a full time starter. Coaches get to see these guy day in and day out they do have a better clue as to where these guys are in their development

 

[cowboyjoe]

I fully agree and anything we are getting from him now is icing on the cake. Is he ready to take on the bigger role where defense are able to focus on him because right now much like Phillips these are after thoughts for DC. That is not a knock on Phillips or Olgetree but the truth of the matter there is a big differance coming off the bench in a role situation than it is being a full time starter. Coaches get to see these guy day in and day out they do have a better clue as to where these guys are in their development

exactly, and to add to that, most football fans know that WR's in the NFL do not excel their first year. Takes two years or more for most wrs to excel.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

He never had a quality passer during college.....running qb mostly

Not only that he had a serious injury.. That is why his draft status took a huge nose dive.

 

[Doomsday101]

exactly, and to add to that, most football fans know that WR's in the NFL do not excel their first year. Takes two years or more for most wrs to excel.

I agree. I like what I have seen thus far from Olgetree and I hope to see allot more in the future from him in Dallas. It excites me to see a young guy showing the potential that he has

 

[superonyx]

I'll say this for the 4th time in this thread so people can stop asking. I never said there is anything about Ogletree that I dont like. This isnt like the Roy Williams debate people love to engage in. The curiosity over this is why this message board fanbase has gone so crazy over an undrafted rookie with only 6 catches in 14 games?

It amazes me how many people have agreed with the poster with the long list of all world skills ogletree has. This is from limited playing time. Even if you are a guy who gets all geeked up about preseason stats there just still isnt enough to say he is this great player that is ready to replace Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd.

We just cant say at this point. Is their potential? Yes. But there isnt production. Not on any level since high school. He was ok in college. Not great. He had an ok preseason. Not great. He looks ok when given the chance on a few select routes in the regular season. Not great.

The point is that none of us can know. I am not saying he isnt any good. I'm not against more chances to show something. I just dont think us fans have enough to go on at this point. The ones who do watch him and know more than us are choosing to leave him on the sidelines. After all he has 6 catches.

 

[Vinnie2u]

UVA & VA Tech homer here... The quarterbacks that al groh rolled out, would not start on a Division 3 school.. They were horrible.. Otree would of been a 3rd rounder if he went to another school..

 

[VACowboy]

6 catches is all it takes to come up with the list you made? From what you said he should not only start for dallas he should start for the NFC probowl team.

Is number of catches all you look at?

If you actually watch the kid play, you see that he has speed, quickness, hands and polish. He knows how to get open, and when he is, he catches the ball and makes plays.

You quote his college stats like they're an indictment or something. If you watched him play at all you know that he had no one to throw to him. You know that he had the total attention of opposing defenses because he was the only real threat on the field for his team. You know that, in his senior season, of the *9* total TD passes thrown by Virginia QB's, Tree caught 5.

So, you can quote all the numbers you want. They don't say much about Ogletree's ability as a professional wide receiver. WATCH the guy play.

This doesn't mean I think he's being underused. I trust the coaches to bring him along properly. I just get a little tired of people throwing out numbers and screaming at the tops of their lungs.

 

[birdwells1]

I'll say this for the 4th time in this thread so people can stop asking. I never said there is anything about Ogletree that I dont like. This isnt like the Roy Williams debate people love to engage in. The curiosity over this is why this message board fanbase has gone so crazy over an undrafted rookie with only 6 catches in 14 games?

It amazes me how many people have agreed with the poster with the long list of all world skills ogletree has. This is from limited playing time. Even if you are a guy who gets all geeked up about preseason stats there just still isnt enough to say he is this great player that is ready to replace Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd.

We just cant say at this point. Is their potential? Yes. But there isnt production. Not on any level since high school. He was ok in college. Not great. He had an ok preseason. Not great. He looks ok when given the chance on a few select routes in the regular season. Not great.

The point is that none of us can know. I am not saying he isnt any good. I'm not against more chances to show something. I just dont think us fans have enough to go on at this point. The ones who do watch him and know more than us are choosing to leave him on the sidelines. After all he has 6 catches.

You could replace Ogletree's name with Austin's name in this same conversation before the KC game. He only has 6 catches because he's not getting playing time. It's kinda of like the old chicken and egg debate. What we have seen is the other wr and they are the ones that are not performing well enough to keep the clamoring for Ogletree quieted.

 

[JBond]

Thank you, I'd like to help out, too.

Anyhow, we'll see if he pans out. I saw the same things in Miles back in 2007 when he started to get some playing time and kept the faith until he finallly broke out this year. Hurd is likely a career #4WR/ST player.

Free is also going to be a very good LT for us if we give him the chance. Love his feet and his long arms and have yet to see anyone bullrush him with much efficacy. We'll seriously regret it if we let Flo play another season.

Choice is our best overall RB but the threat of Felix and the reactions he causes in defenses is too valuable to waste on the bench. He is also a much better between-the-tackles runner and pass receiver than he has been given credit for. Barber is in steady decline.

Anything else you think I should help out the coaches with in terms of personnel evaluation?

:laugh2:

I hope everyone here is correct and he is the second coming of Steve Smith. I just think people need to put away the anointing oil. It took 4 years to get Romo and Austin playing at the level they are. It reminds me of the replace Spencer with Butler crowd.

I am also a self appointed expert on all things related to football so I wanted you to know I agree with your RB analysis. Not so sure about Free and LT.

By the way, excellent scouting work. Keep it up my friend.

 

[JBond]

Seems like you've been given enough reasons in this thread to keep you from "chuckling" in the future.

Lots of hope. Little in the way of facts. I will take a wait and see attitude on the Big O.

Considering the Big O is the one of greatest WR's to ever step on the field based on all the attributes most here have agreed he has, is there any chance we could trade him for a high first rd pick?

 

[VACowboy]

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You could replace Ogletree's name with Austin's name in this same conversation before the KC game. He only has 6 catches because he's not getting playing time. It's kinda of like the old chicken and egg debate. What we have seen is the other wr and they are the ones that are not performing well enough to keep the clamoring for Ogletree quieted.

If quarterbacks determined to whom they were gonna throw by the number of catches accumulated by their potential targets, they'd never throw a pass. Every player starts with none.

 

[Doomsday101]

If quarterbacks determined to whom they were gonna throw by the number of catches accumulated by their potential targets, they'd never throw a pass. Every player starts with none.

I don't know it could explain a few sacks as Romo stands there trying to remember how many catches that WR has before he throws the ball in that direction.

 

[dbair1967]

I wish you would either learn the game or fall silent. It is worthless to read almost every single opinion you have.

 

[dbair1967]

Is that right?

Okay, review the NO game. Romo is in a scrum and wiggles out and throws across his body to Miles Austin who makes a move and then is tackled.

If you watch the replay from the endzone Ogletree is not only standing all alone ten yards deeper, but moving away from any saint toward Romo's left. Both Ogletree and Austin were close enough together for Romo to see Ogletree.

When Romo looked up the safety suddenly realized Ogletree was so open if he got the ball he might score.

I am not knocking Romo. He has played brilliantly.

I am challenging a comment that is based on opinion without fact.

13:58 of the third quarter.

Malcolm Jenkins was covering Ogletree. Darren Sharper was ten yards behind Ogletree.

We ultimately scored on that possession. But I would like to have seen Sharper try to close the gap between that kid with speed and half the field and no help.

Yeah I remember that play, Ogletree probably would have scored for sure.

 

[Martice]

I happen to like what I have seen from O-Tree. I also understand the need to bring him along slowly but I don't think any player that has the tools, gifts and mental capacity to play the game at a high level should be held back for the sake of development. If it were up to a few here, Ben Rothlesberger would have not won a Super Bowl his second season and wouldn't have played him his rookie year.

This is not an exact science and more times than not, most young players will benefit from having time to be brought along slowly. However, some players are more ready mentally technically and physically than others and should not be held back due to a general rule. The fact that O-Tree wasn't drafted has no bearing on if he is ready to play today. Just as some players regardless of how much you coach them or where they were drafted, just don't reach their potential or just don't learn to execute at a high enough level to play on Sundays.

Saying that, from what I have seen from O-Tree and from what we lack in the WR dept on the other side of the ball, I welcome any chance the coaches feel he can help us win games. If he already showed he can create separation, comes out of his moves on time, has shown he can catch the ball, showed he is very athletic and doesn't look like a rookie out there, then what's the problem? Point blank. If O-Tree can play.. Let him play.

 

[Cowboysfan22]

Ogletree hasn't played as much as Crayton you can not compare the two.

 

[SharutoX]

ogletree can do everything roy can do(if not more) with less money.