Calling all Olgetree fans

[Eskimo]

You get all of this from 6 catches. Wow! Jerry, sign this kid to the scouting department. I hope he is in charge of our draft.

Thank you, I'd like to help out, too.

Anyhow, we'll see if he pans out. I saw the same things in Miles back in 2007 when he started to get some playing time and kept the faith until he finallly broke out this year. Hurd is likely a career #4WR/ST player.

Free is also going to be a very good LT for us if we give him the chance. Love his feet and his long arms and have yet to see anyone bullrush him with much efficacy. We'll seriously regret it if we let Flo play another season.

Choice is our best overall RB but the threat of Felix and the reactions he causes in defenses is too valuable to waste on the bench. He is also a much better between-the-tackles runner and pass receiver than he has been given credit for. Barber is in steady decline.

Anything else you think I should help out the coaches with in terms of personnel evaluation?

:laugh2:

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Love your sig man.

Woody is one of the most underrated Cowboys and football players in NFL history.

And that was a clean hit.

Agreed.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You get all of this from 6 catches. Wow! Jerry, sign this kid to the scouting department. I hope he is in charge of our draft.

Did you bother watching any preseason games?

 

[theogt]

Did you bother watching any preseason games?

Undrafted free agents that perform well in preseason never translate to the real thing.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Theogt already gave a response that showed picture proof that knocked it out the park but how can you use that example to say that it isnt fact when indeed Romo has said that he really likes throwing to Otree because of how he's where he's suppose to be because of how well he runs his routes. You used that NO example but how could you really use that when Romo was being pressured and in the heat of the moment went to the WR he's comfortable with that has been performing at a pro bowl level this season

So many people read into statements what they wish to be true.

Have you ever heard a quarterback say he doesn't like to throw to a specific receiver?

I think there is a great deal of opinion laced into the "facts," here.

 

[theogt]

So many people read into statements what they wish to be true.

Have you ever heard a quarterback say he doesn't like to throw to a specific receiver?

I think there is a great deal of opinion laced into the "facts," here.

Other than Romo about Ogletree, I've never heard a QB say the exact words "I like throwing to him," which oddly enough happens to be the exact statement you were trying to prove wrong.

It's certainly not something you just say because you're looking to say something nice. He brought him up specifically numerous times in training camp and preseason.

I think it's pretty well established that Romo has an affinity for Ogletree as a receiver. Go back and check out that first catch he had, I think it was a screen. Romo had this huge ****-eatin' grin on his face -- bigger than usual. He was obviously excited for the guy.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Undrafted free agents that perform well in preseason never translate to the real thing.

Does this mean that it could never happen?

 

[jchocolate82]

So many people read into statements what they wish to be true.

Have you ever heard a quarterback say he doesn't like to throw to a specific receiver?

I think there is a great deal of opinion laced into the "facts," here.

I dont need to read into a statement when our QB is blatantly stating it for me to hear with my own ears. Yes, of course you wouldnt expect your QB to throw a WR under the bus and say he doesnt like throwing to him but when the reporter is interviewing him and Romo brings up Otrees name himself without the interviewer mentioning him what does that say my friend?? Secondly on numerous occasions during training camp the other veteran WRs would mention KOs name in the same group with them when talking about the regular season before we even started cutting players. He quickly earned the respect of his QB, peers and coaches why because he's showing flashes of being a baller which gives us fans something to be excited about. My opinions are being constructed from the FACTS that are spoken from the QB, WRs, Coaches and our very own owner that have spoken about him to the media

 

[TwoDeep3]

Other than Romo about Ogletree, I've never heard a QB say the exact words "I like throwing to him," which oddly enough happens to be the exact statement you were trying to prove wrong.

It's certainly not something you just say because you're looking to say something nice. He brought him up specifically numerous times in training camp and preseason.

I think it's pretty well established that Romo has an affinity for Ogletree as a receiver. Go back and check out that first catch he had, I think it was a screen. Romo had this huge ****-eatin' grin on his face -- bigger than usual. He was obviously excited for the guy.

His comments come from training camp.

And then the kid has six catches in fourteen games.

The bias in this thread is evident. Stats suggest something entirely different than a fanbase trying to find a solution for a player they have written off.

I try not to have any pet cats and just enjoy the team and game for what they are.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I dont need to read into a statement when our QB is blatantly stating it for me to hear with my own ears. Yes, of course you wouldnt expect your QB to throw a WR under the bus and say he doesnt like throwing to him but when the reporter is interviewing him and Romo brings up Otrees name himself without the interviewer mentioning him what does that say my friend?? Secondly on numerous occasions during training camp the other veteran WRs would mention KOs name in the same group with them when talking about the regular season before we even started cutting players. He quickly earned the respect of his QB, peers and coaches why because he's showing flashes of being a baller which gives us fans something to be excited about. My opinions are being constructed from the FACTS that are spoken from the QB, WRs, Coaches and our very own owner that have spoken about him to the media

Six catches in fourteen games and being brought on the carpet in front of coaches because his aggressiveness changed from training camp to now.

These too are facts.

 

[gmoney112]

Good lord, I don't understand why it's so hard to root for an undrafted ROOKIE that shows potential. Haters I tell you. That snag on the sideline was great. This thread deserves a kiss the baby.

 

[kmd24]

I'm not the president of the Ogletree fan club, but it's pretty obvious from preseason and regular season footage that he runs the cleanest routes of any receiver on the team.

There are lots of reasons why you might want to bring along slowly a rookie from a simplified passing offense, though.

What I remember Romo saying about him is something like "he's where he's supposed to be," which is a big deal and a big part of the reason why his chemistry might appear to be better with the rookie and his passes might appear to be more catchable.

 

[802dave]

He catches the ball cleanly with his hands.

His routes are precise.

He is explosive and quick out of his cuts.

He can run after the catch with wiggle, power and desire.

He understands how to set-up CBs so that he is open when and where he wants to be open.

He seems to have excellent body control.

He shows tremendous focus when he is out there.

He makes plays, not excuses in press conferences.

He doesn't make a stupid gesture after every first down.

He hasn't created a fuss when inferior receivers in front of him steal his snaps.

Agreed 100%!

 

[the kid 05]

And you know all this about him how? What secret tapes do you have? So do you mean you studied his 6 catches and came to this conclusion? Wow.

Well just because he only has 6 catches doesn't mean he was on the field for 6 plays...heaven forbid you watch a player who doesn't get the ball after the play is over...mercy me

 

[cowboyjoe]

I want to find the reasons for all the Ogletree hype going on around in the forum. I just cant understand what so many people are so excited about. Now this doesnt mean i have an opinion either way on whether he will ever be a starting caliber player in the NFL. I dont know. He has 6 pro catches. Thats right 6 catches. Why do so many people keep calling for him to start? I know people have made it their person mission to bash Roy Williams every chance they get and i dont post this in defense of Roy. I just want to figure out why i keep reading post after post about how Ogletree is the answer to Roy's lack of production.

Please explain a few points.

Ogletree's best college year was 58 catches 723 yards and 5 TD's.

He wasnt drafted for a reason. He wasnt productive enough in college and now he is supposed to come in as a rookie and leapfrog Crayton and Hurd.

Sam Hurd best college year was 65 catches 1064 yards and 13 td's. He is only 24 years old. Why is no one making his case?

Crayton has produced tons more than ogletree.


Please explain what is so amazing about this guy that warrants him leapfrogging Roy Williams, Crayton, and Hurd? What are these amazing factors that qualifies him to get so much hype?

Every game when he catches a pass the groupies come out and call for him to start. He has 6 catches for the season. 6.

ok, let me explain it to you the best that i can;

First, ogletree has the potential to be a super super find for the Cowboys. He has nice size at about 6-0 1/2 190 pounds with 4.37 speed in the 40. He was just hitting his potential when he had a severe leg injury. I am talking major severe, took him 2 full years to recover from that. If you even remember about OTAs he exploded onto the scene but then he had a nerve lingering problem with his leg due from the surgery way back. Took him some time to regroup and redidacate himself.

Next, below is a summary on him, read all of it.

Who is Kevin Ogletree?

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Who is Kevin Ogletree?

High School and Personal
Kevin Ogletree was born August 5th, 1987 in Queens, N.Y., raised by his late grandmother, Patricia Rossianno. Now living with his uncle, Mark Rossianno, son of Leslie Ogletree, has an older brother, Calvin. Kevin’s great uncle played football at Fayetteville State and is in the school’s athletic Hall of Fame.

Electrifying wide receiver for coach Tom Pugh at Holy Cross High School, was the Daily News and Newsday Player of the Year as a senior after catching 61 passes for 1170 yards and 19 touchdowns, all figures that are league records, while being Newsday and Daily News All-City and All-Queens record stats. Kevin Ogletree had 19 touchdown catches one shy of the state record, that’s right one catch shy of the state record. Ogletree led his team to a conference championship while scoring three touchdowns in the title game, including one on a 64-yard interception, despite playing with a fractured wrist, and intercepted five passes. Yes, that’s right, Kevin played defensive back while at high school too and excelled there too. All conference performer as a junior when he caught 40 passes for 1027 yards and 10 touchdowns and also a standout in basketball and baseball, honor student.

One of only 26 players in ACC history with two-50 catch seasons in a career, Ogletree is ranked seventh in school history with 117 career receptions and 13th with 1332 receiving yards. “Kevin has been a significant part of our team,” said head coach Al Groh. “He was a strong performer and an excellent teammate. Kevin received his degree in December and feels this is the appropriate time for him to move on; we agree and support him in his decision and wish him much success.” Ogletree received his degree in sociology last month, a semester early. Again, this is a mark in a very bright person that can learn pro style offense and excel as a pro football player. Kevin Ogletree’s best receiving yardage game was vs. Maryland when he totaled 133 yards on just three catches, including 38- and 44-yard scoring receptions and Kevin also caught UVa’s longest pass in that game. His first touchdown catch was game-winner in overtime vs. Wyoming Kevin was brought along slowly as a true freshman, made the travel squad but didn’t get into his first game until the sixth week against Florida State but appeared in every game thereafter, including a start against Temple. Ogletree’s first reception was a five-yard catch at North Carolina while catching a team-leading five passes for 20 yards against Temple.

Kevin Ogletree was one of the Big School Sleepers at the NFL Combine. At the size of -6’0 1/2“ 196 pound and a redshirt junior to boot, Ogletree had one of the most impressive combines of any wide receiver, and was one of the best athletes at the NFL Scouting Combine, and in addition to his impressive physical tools, he flashed great ball skills and route-running ability at practice. Williams also made his mark and was outstanding in the bag and pursuit drills. Ogletree looked real good, he had a really great combine including an unofficial 4.37 40, and I think he was best in one of the cone drills too. There's the injury concern for some. Kevin had a devastating leg injury, which flared up somewhat in mini camp due to some nerve leg damage. So, in reality, Kevin looks like another steal that the Dallas Cowboys have gotten like Scandrick last year. I've read conflicting things about him: he has track-speed, but he can't get separation/not a deep threat. When DC a super Dallas Cowboy fans gave him an interview, Ogletree said that his deep threat speed wasn’t exploited while at Virginia for whatever reason. This may be a blessing in disguise for the Cowboys being able to get him as an undrafted player. So, his lack of experience in deep route running can be taught with veteran wide receivers, coaching staff and time to be bigger and stronger in offseason conditioning. If you go back and look at his high school numbers on deep routes, Ogletree excelled in deep routes. I am thinking more that the playing style of Virginia didn’t allow for deep routes, along with the departure of the school’s top 2 quarterbacks and Kevin’s leg injury. Kevin graduated early & sounds like a good citizen, but 1 report www.collegefootballnews.com said coaches "were not sad to see him go." Just who is this guy?

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Here are his stats-
40 Yard Dash: From 4.37 to 4.38, Vertical Jump: 36, Broad Jump: 10'02", Short Shuttle: 4.08, 3-Cone Drill: 6.67
40 Time: 4.36 40 Low: 4.30 40 High: 4.53
Projected Round: 4 Stock: High: 3-4 Low: 5-6
Rated number 17 out of 311 WR's 124 / 2534 TOTAL
Height: 6004
Weight: 196
40 Yrd Dash: 4.36
20 Yrd Dash: 2.51
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 36
Broad Jump: 10'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08
3-Cone Drill: 6.67
Draft Scout Snapshot: DS Rating on 1/7/09: #15 Junior WR, #134/750 Overall, Projected Rnd: 4-5 in 2010

As impressive as those numbers are his production was just average you could say at the University of Virginia with 58 catches, 723 yards, a 12.5 yard average, 5 TDs, with a long catch and run of 51 yards. However, Virginia had lost its top 2 QBs and Ogletree was clearly the best receiver on the team. Ogletree had 52 catches for 582 yards in 2006 and is seventh in Cavaliers history with 117 receptions, he missed 2007 with a fractured leg, he is a smooth vertical threat with the ability to go up and pluck the ball out of the air, he has some flaws he’ll need to learn beat press coverage and some of the little things like taking out the strong safety on a downfield play and make sharper cuts. If you listened to the interview of D C blog, you will learn that Ogletree just hasn’t been content to run routes, but learn, communicate with the defensive backs to learn techniques if he had given away his routes. Here is the link to the podcast of DC and Ogletree so you can form your own thoughts. http://www.dcfanatic.com/
Go down to the bottom of podcasts till you see interview with Ogletree at the bottom of dc fanatic‘s website.


While at training camp Ogletree has shown good hands, making several catches during 7-on-7 drills and another during team drills. One Cowboys observer noted that rookie free-agent WR Kevin Ogletree made a strong first impression, but Ogletree still is considered a long shot to make the team. Undrafted WR Kevin Ogletree had the most impressive catch of the day, making a leaping grab over Hamlin on a skinny post during one-on-one drills. Here are some more reports on Ogletree at mini camp. Two more rookies who opened eyes at practice were undrafted free-agent wide receiver Kevin Ogletree and linebacker Jason Williams, a third-round draft pick.

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Good analysis, we also picked up Kevin Ogletree who was rated higher than Manuel Johnson and who was also at UVA with John Garrett. That’s right coach John Garrett at the time worked with Kevin Ogletree. If you count Ogletree we got 8 out of the top 134 players from a list that CBS Sportline published, no other team can say that.

Cavaliers wide receiver Kevin Ogletree, who passed up his final season of college eligibility after recording a team-high 58 receptions, was not selected. Chicago-based agent Joe Flanagan said Sunday night that Ogletree had accepted a free-agent offer from the Cowboys. Asked for his reaction to Ogletree not being drafted, Flanagan said, "You know what? I don't have any comment now about anything." It was the second time in five years that a prominent UV underclassmen had made himself available for the NFL Draft and not been chosen. Linebacker Kai Parham went that route after making first-team All-ACC in 2005 and never played professionally.

Here are some more video podcasts to view Ogletree and form your own views.

"http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f2ec58"


"http://www.virginiasportstv.com/inde...&v=1785&f=.mov"

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Ogletree's best college year was 58 catches 723 yards and 5 TD's.

He never had a quality passer during college.....running qb mostly

 

[birdwells1]

How long did it take Romo to develop into the player he is today?

Ditto for Miles Austin.

Throwing the players in the fire often times, destroys their confidence - thus killing their confidence.

Yet another gem from DaBoys4Life.

I think maybe you guys are being to harsh on DaBoys4Life. Remember, Miles would still be on the bench if it weren't for the RW11 injury. Sometimes coaches have to go out on a limb a let a guy play to see what they can do in game like situations. It's not like Ogletree went to a small college, he went to Virginia. If you look at the NYG their wr crew is very young they just threw them into the fire. I still think politics are the thing that's keeping RW in the lineup, look I just want the other wr position to be one of strenght, one that threatens the defense rather one that's a question mark. I don't care if it's RW, Ogletree, Crayton, or Hurd.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like Olgetree. He looks to have good speed, runs good routs and thus far looks to have good hands. I think if he goes out and puts in the work this off season his time will come. I have seen nothing from him to have a negitive view about.

 

[birdwells1]

Is that right?

Okay, review the NO game. Romo is in a scrum and wiggles out and throws across his body to Miles Austin who makes a move and then is tackled.

If you watch the replay from the endzone Ogletree is not only standing all alone ten yards deeper, but moving away from any saint toward Romo's left. Both Ogletree and Austin were close enough together for Romo to see Ogletree.

When Romo looked up the safety suddenly realized Ogletree was so open if he got the ball he might score.

I am not knocking Romo. He has played brilliantly.

I am challenging a comment that is based on opinion without fact.

13:58 of the third quarter.

Malcolm Jenkins was covering Ogletree. Darren Sharper was ten yards behind Ogletree.

We ultimately scored on that possession. But I would like to have seen Sharper try to close the gap between that kid with speed and half the field and no help.

Sooo, you think in a game as important as this, Romo is going to throw to reciever A with 6 catches over reciever B with 65 catches for over 1100 yards. He may like throwing to Ogletree but he likes throwing to Miles more.

 

[cowboyjoe]

in one pass play against the saints ogletree was 5 yards behind the secondary on a deep route, but Romo didnt have time to get him the ball.

Future is bring for ogletree, but he has to keep working to become one of the best. Just like in wade's press conferece yesterday, when wade said that when ogletree was on the scout team, he wasnt working hard and dedicating himself, etc, so the cowboys had a little talk with him and then ogletree excelled again.

So, its all about what ogletree works and studies to improve, he has the talent, knowledge somewhat, but he has to keep working and getting playing time. If you remember Jerry Jones said of all the wrs on the team ogletree has the most talent of all the wrs, something like that.

That says alot right there. but he has to work.