Campbell compared to Romo

[SkinsFan07]

well goodnite all, nice having a discussion about qbs since our seaosn is over. LOL

 

[BigDFan5]

fair enough although Portis is only 25 and before this year had only missed 4 career games.

Betts has proven that he can easily be a #1 back especially on Dallas.
I mean he came in late and still had more rushing yards and TD's than your starting back in Jones did.

So I guess Jones is he one who should be considered a #2 back at best.

Dallas rbs split carries , washington backs dont

 

[AdamJT13]

And yet everyone's rushing to the stat books to post numbers. See the post above this one?

And the numbers prove there's no comparison.

(That's "comparison" in the sense of its second definition. Any two things can be compared, but the second definition is "sufficient likeness to make meaningful comparison possible." In the case of Romo and Campbell, there is no such sufficient likeness.)

 

[the kid 05]

who has shown more ability so far?
Comparing them two who has more potential?

which one lead their team to the playoffs?

 

[bbgun]

And the numbers prove there's no comparison.

(That's "comparison" in the sense of its second definition. Any two things can be compared, but the second definition is "sufficient likeness to make meaningful comparison possible." In the case of Romo and Campbell, there is no such sufficient likeness.)

Numbers? What numbers? You said they weren't being used in any qualitative sense. Oops. And since we're talking about these guys' futures (i.e. who has greater potential), it's pointless to use 2007 numbers at all, right?

You got caught and were called out. Live with it.

 

[AdamJT13]

Numbers? What numbers? You said they weren't being used in any qualitative sense. Oops. And since we're talking about these guys' futures (i.e. who has greater potential), it's pointless to use 2007 numbers at all, right?

You got caught and were called out. Live with it.

What are you talking about?

 

[bbgun]

What are you talking about?

That's funny, 'cause your "no comparison" line was similarly vexing.

 

[AdamJT13]

That's funny, 'cause your "no comparison" line was similarly vexing.

There's no comparison because Campbell has done nothing worthy of being compared to Romo. Is that all that difficult to understand? Or are you unfamiliar with the language?

Like I told the delusional Skins fan, when Campbell actually does something noteworthy, then they can come back and compare him to Romo. Until then, it's a ridiculous comparison.

 

[bbgun]

There's no comparison because Campbell has done nothing worthy of being compared to Romo. Is that all that difficult to understand? Or are you unfamiliar with the language?

First Tony was "untradeable." Now he's "incomparable." Delicious. On second thought, you're right; they are incomparable. But it has nothing to do with Tony's performance on the field. Who on Earth would compare a four-year vet to a two-year vet? Naturally Tony is going to have an advantage, armed with a healthy WR corps to boot. Apples and oranges. That said, Campbell acquitted himself quite well under trying circumstances.

Now go back to your QB pressure chart, the timing of which is positively comedic.

 

[smarta5150]

First Tony was "untradeable." Now he's "incomparable." Delicious. On second thought, you're right; they are incomparable. But it has nothing to do with Tony's performance on the field. Who on Earth would compare a four-year vet to a two-year vet? Naturally Tony is going to have an advantage, armed with a healthy WR corps to boot. Apples and oranges. That said, Campbell acquitted himself quite well under trying circumstances.

Now go back to your QB pressure chart, the timing of which is positively comedic.

TO's finger/hand is all kinds of messed up.

He should have had season ending surgery but took 1 for the team.

TG had that knee problem in the middle of the season.

 

[steve09ru]

Ahhh yes, the Skins fan standard ALIBI for Campbell's inconsistent play... too bad it doesn't hold water... you see, prior to this year, Romo had the exact same number of regular season snaps as Campbell did-- zero... and of course, Vince Young had less experience than Jason did, and played somewhat better, didn't he??

Nope, you can grade on a curve if you want to, but the NFL doesn't care about these alibis... and it's quite likely that this will not be the only time in his NFL career that Campbell will have to learn a new offensive system...

It's almost like you're saying he's not so bad, for somebody who's not all that good... LOL...

In that case, let's go ahead and wait 'til Romo retires and Campbell is still playing and then we can compare the two those years...this is basically what you are stating...sure he's never taken a nfl snap prior to this year...BUT WATCHING FROM THE SIDELINE AND GAMEFILM sure does help him out those four years. what you are saying is that there is no advantage to having been in the nfl for 4 years and not taken a snap compared to someone who has been in the nfl 2 years and not taken a snap (and might i add that he has had to deal with different and new offensive schemes both years too).

there is definetely an advantage on Romo's side, but i'm not saying that Campbell is playing better because i personally don't think he is right now. They both make mistakes and have flaws, but there is no reason to say that romo is off the charts compared to campbell like you all are saying

 

[silverbear]

This thread screams for homerism. Well hey I'm Skins homer and my answer is give me next season and I will tell you.

Romo has been in the league for 4 seasons.

And this year is the first time he ever threw a pass in a game that counted... just like Jason...

So perhaps you should give that tired cop-out a rest...

At the time Campbell is starting he was playing behind Vinny Testaverde in a meaningless season so its quite obvious that Campbell might be the faster learner and more upside guy.

ROTFLMAO... apparently you didn't read Saunders' criticisms of how slowly Campbell was picking up the offense, earlier in the season...

Anyone whos watched Campbell closely since hes been starting know their witnessing exactly what Steve McNair was when he came into the league.

I watched every game that Jason played, and have been a fan of McNair's ever since he came into the league, and I'm here to tell you you're full of it... to prove my point, we'll need to look at Steve's first 2 years in the league, in which he had 6 starts, compared to Campbell's 7 this year... so, let's do a comparison of the two QBs at roughly the same point in their NFL development:

McNair-- 223 attempts, 129 completions (57.8%)... 1766 yards... 9TDs, 5 ints... 23 completions of 20 yards plus, 7 of 40 plus... 7.91 yards per attempt... quarterback rating of 87.4... 42 carries for 207 yards and 2 TDs (4.9 yards per carry)... 15 sacks, one every 15.9 attempts...

Campbell-- 207 attempts, 110 completions (53.1%)... 1297 yards... 10 TDs, 6 ints... 13 completions of 20 plus, 3 of 40 plus... 6.27 yards per attempt... quarterback rating of 76.5... 24 carries for 107 yards and 0 TDs (4.5 yards per carry)... 7 sacks, one every 30.6 attempts...

So, despite the fact that McNair was sacked approximately twice as often as Campbell was (indicating that Jason had much better pass blocking), he still put up a higher completion percentage, a significantly higher yards per attempt average... this indicates he was going downfield with more frequency, and more successfully, than Campbell did this year, a theory further reflected in the number of long passes both QBs completed... which is why McNair's quarterback rating was considerably higher than Campbell's is this year... the final, and clearest, indicator of that was each player's yards per COMPLETION-- McNair's was 13.7, Campbell's this year is 11.8...

So Steve looked downfield more often than Jason did, yet he was still able to complete a higher percentage of his passes...

In addition, McNair was more likely to run with the football, and be a bit more successful doing so...

Campbell has shown the same touch on deep passes,

3 completions of 40 plus in 207 attempts, at least one of which was a 65 yard catch and run by Chris Cooley that was completed 10-15 yards downfield...

Actually, Campbell was rather BAD when it comes to throwing the deep ball... he threw it a good deal more frequently than Brunell did, but he didn't really hook up on too many of them... let's compare his deep passing numbers with some of the other QBs who had at least 200 attempts (a number chosen because Jason threw the ball 207 times):

Campbell-- 207 attempts, 13 completions of 20 plus (once every 15.9 passes), 3 completions of 40 plus (once every 69.0 attempts)...

Peyton Manning-- 557 attempts, 53 completions over 20 (once every 10.5 attempts), 7 completions over 40 (once every 79.6 attempts)... I'm rather surprised to learn that Peyton didn't have any more deep completions than this, even Jason hooked up on a higher percentage of 40 yarders than this...

Damon Huard-- 244 attempts, 23 completions over 20 (1 in every 10.6 attempts), 5 over 40 (1 in every 48.8 attempts)...

Drew Brees-- 554 attempts, 61 completions over 20 (1 in every 9.1 attempts), 18 over 40 (1 in every 30.8 attempts)...

Donovan McNabb-- 316 attempts, 44 completions over 20 (1 in every 7.2 attempts, 14 over 40 (1 in every 22.6 attempts)...

Tony Romo-- 337 attempts, 42 completions over 20 (1 in every 8.0 attempts), 9 over 40 (1 in every 37.4 attempts)...

Marc Bulger-- 588 attempts, 60 completions over 20 (1 in every 9.8 attempts), 10 over 40 (1 in every 58.8 attempts)...

Tom Brady-- 516 attempts, 46 completions over 20 (1 in every 11.2 attempts), 8 over 40 (1 in every 64.5 attempts)...

Mark Brunell (this one is probably gonna sting a little, LOL)-- 260 attempts, 24 completions over 20 yards (1 in every 10.8 attempts), 5 over 40 (1 in every 52 attempts)... that's right, ol' noodle-arm Brunell, who was excoriated for throwing nothing but dumpoffs (including you your friendly local Bear) was actually MORE efficient throwing the ball downfield than the guy who replaced him...

JP Losman-- 429 attempts, 35 completions over 20 yards (1 in every 12.3 attempts), 10 completions over 40 (1 in every 42.9 attempts)...

Looking at these numbers, it would appear that a quarterback who's good at throwing the deep ball should hook up on 1 20 yarder plus in every 10 attempts or fewer, while Jason hooked up on rought 1 in every 16 attempts... and that "mad bomber" should be able to hit on 1 40 yarder every 30 to 40 attempts, while Jason only hit on one every 70 or so...

Clearly, this is pretty bad...

Campbell has also had better and equal numbers in his first starts as guys like Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb and Peyton Manning,

And he also had similar numbers to Patrick Ramsey in his first year as a starter, LOL...

 

[steve09ru]

Easily fixed, huh? If you know the secret to curing a scatttershot arm, you might want to apply for the Atlanta Falcons' QB coach job, because they could use you.

It can be easily fixed...if u didn't know, he hadn't been working with the recievers up until he got the shot at starter, and that means no practice time or anything with them. we have no starting recievers over 6'. he may get a lil excited when he sees them open but our recievers do not have the capability as to say, TO or your other recievers do have being taller than 6'0 and able to jump. Brandon Lloyd is a piece of **** who never goes after a ball, and is basically always an incompletion when thrown his way because he has no playmaking ability, Moss on the other hand will go up and grab those balls or atleast make an attempt to grab them.

Once Campbell gets use to working with his recievers and as to know he cannot throw them as high as he could, for example to T.O., Plexico, Randy Moss, whoever that are around 3-4 inches taller with a better verticle than our recievers than he won't have to worry about those.

 

[AdamJT13]

First Tony was "untradeable." Now he's "incomparable." Delicious. On second thought, you're right; they are incomparable. But it has nothing to do with Tony's performance on the field. Who on Earth would compare a four-year vet to a two-year vet? Naturally Tony is going to have an advantage, armed with a healthy WR corps to boot. Apples and oranges.

There have been plenty of two-year vets who could be compared to a four-year vet. Heck, some rookies have been worthy of being compared to guys with much more playing experience than Romo. If they do something on the field to earn that comparison, it's certainly valid -- even if you wouldn't EXPECT a rookie or second-year player to play as well.

Now go back to your QB pressure chart, the timing of which is positively comedic.

Ooh, now I'm scared. And I posted those numbers and others (with a lot more yet to be posted) because I just received them, they're the final stats for the regular season, and they're not available to most people. When would Your Majesty rather I post them? In February? March? May? Never? Well, too bad, because a lot of people have been wanting those numbers, so I posted them.

 

[silverbear]

You need to get an MRI!! "Possible slight tear?"

Your voodoo diagnosis of more flexible ligaments due to past hyperextension sounds like just the kind of rationalization that will screw you bigtime.

I mean it. Man up and get in that tube, SB.

At the very least, don't minimize the level of discomfort and convince yourself it is getting better if it isn't.

Is there an antonym for hypochondriac?

Because you are IT.

But it's funny, most folks are one or the other.

Chuckle-- guilty as charged, milady... I mean, you have NO idea how guilty...

I'll give you a coupla examples-- the first time I ever broke a bone in my body, I was 16 years old, trying out for the basketball team over in Heidelberg... tryouts consisted of an intramural tournament, and in the course of the 3rd game I got my foot stomped on down under the basket... had to come out of the game, and at halftime the team trainer told me I'd probably broken one of the small bones across the top of my foot...

I made him put that shoe back on (hurt like heck), went out and scored 12 points in the second half... and the next day, my folks took me to the hospital and I got my first cast...

The second story I think I've already shared in here, but I'll give you the Reader's Digest version... I actually broke my neck in a pickup football game when I was in my very early 20s, only I didn't find out that I'd broken it until like 25 years later, when I went to the emergency room on a totally unrelated problem, and they took a head and neck series of X-rays and discovered the old, healed injury... at the time it happened, I didn't even go to the doctor; I just couldn't turn my head more than 2-3 inches in either direction for a while, then it gradually got better...

So yeah, I'm the kind of guy who tends to "tough it out", figuring that if I'm hurt badly enough, my body will tell me that I need help... and you are of course entirely right, I risk long-term problems for being that way... for that matter, I figure I'll probably die of cancer somewhere down the line, simply because I didn't get to the doctor while it was still treatable...

I try to act responsibly when it comes to my long-term health, but I really, really don't like doctors and hospitals... perhaps that will be easier for you to understand if I tell you that I had polio when I was 3 (thank God, they broke the fever before it did TOO much damage), so my earliest clear memory was getting a freaking spinal tap... adults will tell you that's sheer agony, try to imagine how it was for a toddler, sick and scared out of his tiny mind...

Anyway, I hope it goes without saying that I appreciate your concern, old friend... but I AM confident that my knee is healing nicely, though as I get older the healing process takes a bit longer...

And if push comes to shove, I learned just today that there is a place locally that has one of those open MRI's, and takes my medical insurance... so if I have to bite the bullet, at least my raging claustrophobia won't be a stumbling block to getting the care I need...

 

[silverbear]

:laugh1: SilverBear at his best

I can't hold a candle to Adam, my man... he brings the heat in the form of facts, as well as anybody I've seen online...

I can only aspire to his debating techniques...

Which is my typically long-winded way of saying you're giving me credit for Adam's delcious bit of sarcasm...

 

[steve09ru]

Now the you ESers have changed your tune. Romo had this advantage and that advantage. Whatever. You guys all said he was garbage and here he is out performing your dude. Campbell may or may not be the real deal long term just as Romo may or may not but for now Romo IS BETTER than your guy.

Exactly, let's go back to the previous pages...i don't think anybody really stated that campbell had a great advantage over Romo, in fact, a few said Romo is doing better right now.

BUT WE are responding to the things about how Campbell will not be good and has no future ahead of him. Which hopefully they are long term but there is no reason to say that Romo is 100% greater with no comparison than Campbell, I happen to see how some of the Cowboy fans have said and even edged Campbell but there's those 3 or 4 that say Campbell is nothing and never will be, and of course as a skins fan we are going to ask how this is and show you how he will (hopefully) be a good and (hopefully) great QB in the future

 

[silverbear]

dang I guess all of these cowboys fans on this message board are right! Jason Campbell will never amount to anything because he sucks because you guys think so!

Never said he sucked, homer, or that he'll NEVER amount to anything...

All I said is he wasn't all that this year, and the numbers bear that out...

He did throw 10 tds and only 6 ints and had 1300 yards though.

Wow, that works out to 185.3 yards per game passing... and you seem to be happy with that...

I find that bizarre, when you Skins fans were screaming for Brunell's head, and he led the Skins to an average of 198.8 yards per game passing... I also find it amusing, given that a team that averaged 185.3 yards per game passing this year would have ranked 23rd in the league in passing...

But hey, if that's good enough for you, by all means, enjoy the superstar in the making that is Jason Campbell...

But hey rookie can throw more tds than ints right? WRONG

I've already said a number of times that the best thing he did was not make mistakes... but a large reason for that is the Skins didn't let him take too many chances, and as a result, he didn't make too many plays, either... I mean, he made some, but not as many as you'd expect from a starting quarterback...

But wait didnt the offensive rookie throw for more tds than ints? NO Vince Young had 12 tds and 13 ints only 2 more tds than Campbell did, and he started almost the whole season!

And yet, Vince won the Offensive Rookie of the Year award... perhaps his 550 yards rushing had something to do with that... and of course, he took a rather bad team and led them to an 8-5 record, while Campbell took a team that was touted as a Super Bowl contender in the preseason (especially by you homeristic Skins fans) and led them to a 2-5 record...

And of course, Vince was also in his first year in a new system, but more than that, in his first year in the NFL... yet he took an arguably worse team and won with it, while Jason had an arguably better team and lost with it...

He could have been a candidate for OROY had he started the whole year as well.

Well, except for the fact he wasn't a rookie... ROTFLMAO...

I'm gonna throw up now.

Having a bad reaction to the drugs you've obviously ingested??

 

[steve09ru]

The history since Dallas came into being:

FATHER Dallas:

19 Division Titles
10 Conference Titles
8 Super Bowl appearences
5 Super Bowl Titles

Washington:

9 Division Titles
5 Conference Titles
5 Super Bowl Appearences
3 Super Bowl Titles*

*Only 2 of said SB titles count, as titles in strike seasons are laughable

Damn it must suck to be a Commanders fan

past is past. yes dallas has a better past than the skins....you weren't their or a huge fan to relive those days play by play as neither was I. therefore, who gives a ****. Neither followed the seasons I'm sure when they won. Or if you did then you're one smart and lifeless child at 10 outside of the house.

And yes, i know it was brought up about how you all haven't won a playoff game in 11 years so you would shove this in our face. But in all reality who cares, I could care less if ya'll had 10 and he had 4, there are still championship teams there. AND OF COURSE THAT IS MORE THAN A PHILLY FAN CAN SAY :laugh2: . But to say that Campbell has no future and is not good at all is ridiculous to say after only 7 starts, while, i might add, Portis didn't play with him (yeah betts had 5 100 yard games, but is a fumble machine and doesn't have that breakaway playmaking speed portis does), our Defense was horrible (all season), Moss was hampered with a hamstring injury, Lloyd --> well enough said there (doesn't go after a ball if it doesn't land in his gut). But atleast your recievers (all of them) attempt to catch the ball (and they have a great deal of height over the skins recievers).

But you can't say that these quarterbacks aren't going to be good in the future. well of course ROMO will be, but just watch for JC. you'll see and you'll hear all about it next year (yeah next year this and next year that)

 

[smarta5150]

past is past. yes dallas has a better past than the skins....you weren't their or a huge fan to relive those days play by play as neither was I. therefore, who gives a ****. Neither followed the seasons I'm sure when they won. Or if you did then you're one smart and lifeless child at 10 outside of the house.

And yes, i know it was brought up about how you all haven't won a playoff game in 11 years so you would shove this in our face. But in all reality who cares, I could care less if ya'll had 10 and he had 4, there are still championship teams there. AND OF COURSE THAT IS MORE THAN A PHILLY FAN CAN SAY :laugh2: . But to say that Campbell has no future and is not good at all is ridiculous to say after only 7 starts, while, i might add, Portis didn't play with him (yeah betts had 5 100 yard games, but is a fumble machine and doesn't have that breakaway playmaking speed portis does), our Defense was horrible (all season), Moss was hampered with a hamstring injury, Lloyd --> well enough said there (doesn't go after a ball if it doesn't land in his gut). But atleast your recievers (all of them) attempt to catch the ball (and they have a great deal of height over the skins recievers).

But you can't say that these quarterbacks aren't going to be good in the future. well of course ROMO will be, but just watch for JC. you'll see and you'll hear all about it next year (yeah next year this and next year that)

That was all mentioned ony because they brought the history to this fight.

So fight fire with fire I guess.