Can Christine Michael Complete The Vision Of Dallas' Rushing Attack?

[tyke1doe]

I agree, but I will say the odds of Romo getting hurt wouldve been less , if we had the same running attack as we did, when Murray was here....

Fair enough.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Scouting reports don't agree with this bruising assessment in this report

Sometimes you have a plan that you feel so confident in that you can't even fathom failing in your assessment of that plan. We've all been guilty of this and we'll all probably make the same mistake again at some point in our lives. This is precisely the predicament the Cowboys find themselves in after five games. They have lost their identity that led them to a 12-4 record last season and Jason Garrett's first postseason victory as a head coach. Now, they are on a mission to get that back in time to save their season.

To move forward always leaves the ability to look back and this exercise takes us back to the decisions made by this team in the offseason. I refuse to chastise this team for letting DeMarco Murray walk because it was a financial decision that substantial research suggested was the right idea. It's easy for most of the "talking-heads" to criticize this team for this decision but they don't necessarily get the macro-view. As former players, which most of these critics are, we shouldn't expect them to necessarily understand the full ramifications of that decision. They will always side with the player and that isn't a critique.

link/http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...-complete-the-vision-of-dallas-rushing-attack

Technically, the plan has not failed; the exam is still in progress. The parameters have changed thus making the final outcome unpredictable but the exam is not concluded.

Without the two best offensive playmakers on the field for such an extended period of time, trying to gauge an assessment of the plan should be considered futile.

 

[Bleu Star]

It was a huge mistake. On both parts. For Murray and the Cowboys.

For future reference: You probably dont want to lose the leagues leading rusher in FA. You probably dont want to mess around with the dynamic and locker room leadership and team chemistry that lead to a 12-4 season. The best season in ohhhhh 20 years?

You probably dont want to do that!

If youre worried about wear and tear, then have Randle(who you are so high on anyone) pick up the slack....or even sign another RB..... to compliment all the high draft choice studs you have spent on the Offensive Line.......

It was a mistake. A big mistake. And everybody knows it. That is of course, if winning a Super Bowl is the number one goal.

I don't care how much people around here want to sugar coat or attack those of us that see it for what it was. Believe that this will go down as one of the worst moves in the history of our prestigious franchise.

2014 - So close
2015 - Yet so far

 

[dcboy]

I don't care how much people around here want to sugar coat or attack those of us that see it for what it was. Believe that this will go down as one of the worst moves in the history of our prestigious franchise.

2014 - So close
2015 - Yet so far

I completely disagree. We would have been crazy to pay Murray close to what the eagles did. We messed up by not getting a replacement, but the Murray decision was correct. For him and the team.

 

[Bleu Star]

I completely disagree. We would have been crazy to pay Murray close to what the eagles did. We messed up by not getting a replacement, but the Murray decision was correct. For him and the team.

I completely disagree with your disagreement.

We should have made Murray feel wanted. Instead, we gave him the cold shoulder and the rest is history. Players tend to meet in the middle when theres another side showing some semblance of desire.

Negotiations 101.

Mistake #2 was not smothering that liability in the draft.

 

[DandyDon52]

waving monkey said: ↑
How's Murray doing with the Eagle's?

Frankly, he's doing better than the mess we have here with our RB situation. I was ok with letting him go. But I was not ok with us not finding a capable replacement. The FO drank too much koolaid into thinking that anyone can run behind this oline. Now that foolishness is past and they realized their mistake, its time to move on and find a better RB than the scrubs that we have now.

Ok lets compare, we all know Murray had the awful 1st game with what -1 yds, then the dallas game which was 10 yds?
here are current stats with philly playing 1 more game than dallas, once they have their bye it will be easier to compare.

rush
Joseph Randle 74 291 3.9 37 4
DeMarco Murray 70 242 3.5 30 3

Rec
Joseph Randle 10 86 8.6 25 0
DeMarco Murray 21 127 6.0 22 1

looking at this they are pretty close and murray after awful start is gaining on Randle
Eagles lead dallas in total rush yds too.

phil
Total Rushing Yds 624
Rushing 160 - 3.9 1

dal
Total Rushing Yds 533
Rushing 129 - 4.1
Both teams have been rbbc only eagles give their other backs more carries, and are running more
Murray has had a 100 yd game now and randle has not yet broke 100.
I dont know that randle has had a 22 carry game yet, so hard to break 100 if getting 16 carries or less.

 

[DandyDon52]

How did it lead to Romo getting hurt?

Wow you guys dont watch any shows dealing with time travel lol!
Obviously it happened but if you went back in time and got jerry to sign murray, from that point forward it would be a different
course of events unfolding, the whole season would be different, all of the games and playcalls would be different.

So that play that romo was hurt on would not have occurred as it did, Tony might get hurt on another play, but maybe not.
Now dez is another story, he could still show up not hydrated and hurt his foot, but even that scenario would be different and might not occur.

Things we do or dont do cause events to unfold a certain way, and if you change something then the events unfold differently.

If the team and linehan had murray dont you think the game plans and playcalling would have been different than without murray?
And it isnt just murray, make any change in lineup and future could be altered.

I am saying that play would never have occured, not that murray being in the game would have prevented it.

 

[DandyDon52]

I completely disagree with your disagreement.

We should have made Murray feel wanted. Instead, we gave him the cold shoulder and the rest is history. Players tend to meet in the middle when theres another side showing some semblance of desire.

Negotiations 101.

Mistake #2 was not smothering that liability in the draft.

Exactly, murray was made to feel unwanted and unappreciated, and I think maybe comments were made on the GB fumble.
Whatever happened he got mad at the jones boys, who made little effort to get him to sign.
JG wanted to keep murray so I give him kudos for that, but he had no control in the matter.
Tony also wanted to keep murray, and knew early on the jones boys were not keen on keeping murray.
It was in feb that romo offered to take a paycut to keep murray, but got no response.

The jones also messed up taking too long to sign Dez who also got mad and then by the time he showed up was not in proper condition,
and pulled the hamstring, then missed tc and ps, then the first game dehydrated and hurt the foot.
Had they signed him earlier, then maybe he comes to ota, and tc in better shape and plays some ps.
But on the dehydration apparently he still needs some babysitting on that.

 

[DandyDon52]

JoeBoBBY said: ↑
It was a huge mistake. On both parts. For Murray and the Cowboys.

For future reference: You probably dont want to lose the leagues leading rusher in FA. You probably dont want to mess around with the dynamic and locker room leadership and team chemistry that lead to a 12-4 season. The best season in ohhhhh 20 years?

You probably dont want to do that!

If youre worried about wear and tear, then have Randle(who you are so high on anyone) pick up the slack....or even sign another RB..... to compliment all the high draft choice studs you have spent on the Offensive Line.......

It was a mistake. A big mistake. And everybody knows it. That is of course, if winning a Super Bowl is the number one goal.

I don't care how much people around here want to sugar coat or attack those of us that see it for what it was. Believe that this will go down as one of the worst moves in the history of our prestigious franchise.

2014 - So close
2015 - Yet so far

yes JoeBoBBY nailed it, and I think you are right too, most people in NFL media know it was a mistake, and it shocked people at the time.
As another pointed out they gave crawford a better contract than murray got in phil, and who would have helped the team more this year,
crawford or murray??
I would rather have murray, he is more of a game changer.

 

[DandyDon52]

So your saying (all other contract anddefensive acquisitions aside) with our current injury list, if we kept/paid Murray we'd be 4-1 or 5-0 right now?

see post 67, we might not have lost romo, and had a better run game. so yeah 4-1

 

[DandyDon52]

Proof, please?

post 67

 

[kramskoi]

I can't argue that at all. Randle is not the answer, he would be better statistically with Romo/Dez but we would be better off seeing what Michael has so we can know how much of an urgent need RB is sooner rather than later. We do have the trade deadline looming though I doubt that means much.

I do think management had every intention on drafting a running back as you can tell by the fact they invited every prospect in for a visit but they couldn't pass on Gregory in the second. Green in the third though, I have no excuse for.

If anything, C-Mike has a freakish SPARQ rating and he has a Marion Barber type energy to him...at least in the limited film I've seen of him. I think they made the decision they had to make on Murray...from a long range perspective, the benefits of which will be evident going forward. They simply bet the house on the RBBC approach and it has been rather pedestrian at best. Some of this has been Leary clearly playing hurt as he attempts to fend off Collins, who is a real threat to take his job (permanently) going forward...maybe even before the season is over.

That said, I don't think that you can accurately judge the running game based on the opener against the Giants. Bryant goes down in that game and then Romo goes out in the next. You can't really get a read on this thing until all pieces are back in place. Only then can a real analysis be made. However, Christine Michael looks like a real upgrade with real upside. He has an imposing demeanor to him...he just looks salty. Hopefully that will come to something over the next four games, if they feed him more than Randle. I still don't think they can totally unleash the dogs of war until Bryant and Romo are back at the controls. As a dynamic duo, they account for too much talent, experience and diabolical danger to opposing defenses.

 

[dallasdave]

I hope he can be the answer we are looking for, and I hope also that someone does not change the question.

 

[Idgit]

If anything, C-Mike has a freakish SPARQ rating and he has a Marion Barber type energy to him...at least in the limited film I've seen of him. I think they made the decision they HAD to make on Murray...from a long range perspective, the benefits of which will be evident going forward. They simply bet the house on the RBBC approach and it has been rather pedestrian at best. Some of this has been Leary clearly playing hurt as he attempts to ward off Collins, who is a real threat to take his job (permanently) going forward...maybe even before the season is over.

That said, I don't think that you can accurately judge the running game based on the opener against the Giants. Bryant goes down in that game and then Romo goes out in the next. You can't really get a read on this thing until all pieces are back in place. Only then can a real analysis be made. However, Christine Michael looks like a real upgrade with real upside. He has an imposing demeanor to him...he just looks salty. Hopefully that will come to something over the next four games, if they feed him more than Randle. I still don't think they can totally unleash the dogs of war until Bryant and Romo are back at the controls. As a dynamic duo, they account for too much talent, experience and diabolical danger to opposing defenses.

You'd like to see Michael come out and have a good game against a good run defense this week in a healthy backup role, and then just see him explode next week v. his old team with Dez back in the lineup and our finally-healthy defense playing well for three weeks in a row. That's how you write it up, anyway. He is a freakish athlete and he does run with a bit of aggression to him. It'll be fun to see what he can do.

And, to the other subcurrent in this thread, signing Demarco for what PHI signed him would have been a huge mistake by any reasonable method of looking at his age or his contract. We dodged a bullet. Plus, he's playing for our biggest current rival, so screw him.

 

[xwalker]

Wow you guys dont watch any shows dealing with time travel lol!
Obviously it happened but if you went back in time and got jerry to sign murray, from that point forward it would be a different
course of events unfolding, the whole season would be different, all of the games and playcalls would be different.

So that play that romo was hurt on would not have occurred as it did, Tony might get hurt on another play, but maybe not.
Now dez is another story, he could still show up not hydrated and hurt his foot, but even that scenario would be different and might not occur.

Things we do or dont do cause events to unfold a certain way, and if you change something then the events unfold differently.

If the team and linehan had murray dont you think the game plans and playcalling would have been different than without murray?
And it isnt just murray, make any change in lineup and future could be altered.

I am saying that play would never have occured, not that murray being in the game would have prevented it.

Yes, it would be really difficult for Murray to have prevented it because they were In an empty backfield formation.

The real issue is that when they're in the empty backfield formation, the expectation is that the QB will get rid of the ball very quickly. That's why Romo often went to Beasley from that formation in the past. On the play where Romo was injured, he pumped and pulled the ball back. The defense had sent 2 blitzing LBs in the same gap and the OL could only pick up one of them. Romo had just gotten too comfortable in that formation and didn't get rid of the ball like he should have done.

 

[dallasdave]

You'd like to see Michael come out and have a good game against a good run defense this week in a healthy backup role, and then just see him explode next week v. his old team with Dez back in the lineup and our finally-healthy defense playing well for three weeks in a row. That's how you write it up, anyway. He is a freakish athlete and he does run with a bit of aggression to him. It'll be fun to see what he can do.

And, to the other subcurrent in this thread, signing Demarco for what PHI signed him would have been a huge mistake by any reasonable method of looking at his age or his contract. We dodged a bullet. Plus, he's playing for our biggest current rival, so screw him.

I would like to see Michael have a great game and win the starting job at RB and help Dallas beat the crap out of the Giants !!!

 

[DenCWBY]

see post 67, we might not have lost romo, and had a better run game. so yeah 4-1

Ok...Probably poor judgment on my behalf but I'll take the bait. By your thinking, if DC signed Murray in the off season, Romo, Witten and Murray (good friends and all) could have gone out to celebrate, been over served and had a massive car wreck injuring all 3 to sit out the whole season so season record 0-5. Another of countless random possibilities in your butterfly effect.

 

[xwalker]

I completely disagree with your disagreement.

We should have made Murray feel wanted. Instead, we gave him the cold shoulder and the rest is history. Players tend to meet in the middle when theres another side showing some semblance of desire.

Negotiations 101.

Mistake #2 was not smothering that liability in the draft.

Murray was going to top dollar. Rolling out the red carpet would not have caused him to sign the deal the Cowboys offered.

When a guy leaves a goes to a team whose scheme is not a good fit and who has an inferior OLine in order to get 8M per year instead of 6M per year, you know it's all about the money.

 

[Bleu Star]

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Murray was going to top dollar. Rolling out the red carpet would not have caused him to sign the deal the Cowboys offered.

When a guy leaves a goes to a team whose scheme is not a good fit and who has an inferior OLine in order to get 8M per year instead of 6M per year, you know it's all about the money.

Same old recycled philosophy. Typical avoidance. The Cowboys offer was barely lukewarm regardless of dollar amount. It wasn't about the dollar amount. It was about a warm fuzzy feeling coupled with a fair offer. He received one but definitely not the other.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Always interesting to see the bedfellows. If you look up and realize you're in the bunker with cowboyblue and Dandy you've already lost. If the biggest troll on the board is spewing the same garbage you are it should cause you to reconsider the steps that led you there. Dandy is not as extreme but has been a concern troll since he got here.