Can Christine Michael Complete The Vision Of Dallas' Rushing Attack?

[DandyDon52]

Ok...Probably poor judgment on my behalf but I'll take the bait. By your thinking, if DC signed Murray in the off season, Romo, Witten and Murray (good friends and all) could have gone out to celebrate, been over served and had a massive car wreck injuring all 3 to sit out the whole season so season record 0-5. Another of countless random possibilities in your butterfly effect.

Well you are correct , that would be very unlikely to happen, but it all would be changed and anything could happen.
you would have to look at propabiltys too, like Romo got hit once last year, and missed 1 game, and years ago he I think hurt his collarbone,
so while possible they are unlikely to happen.

like the 3 you say get drunk and have the car wreck, with those particular 3 guys that is very very unlikely to happen.
They are all sensible guys, They may not even drink.

The main thing is the play tony got hurt on would not have happened and with murray and a better run game, less passing so less chance for
tony to get hurt, more top which helps defense, and so 4-1 or 5-0.

With romo and murray, and the way hardy played in NE game, I think Dallas wins that game.

When they let murray go the team went down another road, this road, and I think the other road with murray would have been totally different.
And I dont say that because murray is a superman/ back, but he was a good fit with our line and they had jelled, and what they did last year
was good formula, and got them to 12-4 and close to winning nfc.
So keep it going one more year no matter what, and see if it goes all the way in 2015.

But no they throw that out, and try something new , and it leads to romo hurt and where they are now.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Well you are correct , that would be very unlikely to happen, but it all would be changed and anything could happen.
you would have to look at propabiltys too, like Romo got hit once last year, and missed 1 game, and years ago he I think hurt his collarbone,
so while possible they are unlikely to happen.

like the 3 you say get drunk and have the car wreck, with those particular 3 guys that is very very unlikely to happen.
They are all sensible guys, They may not even drink.

The main thing is the play tony got hurt on would not have happened and with murray and a better run game, less passing so less chance for
tony to get hurt, more top which helps defense, and so 4-1 or 5-0.

With romo and murray, and the way hardy played in NE game, I think Dallas wins that game.

When they let murray go the team went down another road, this road, and I think the other road with murray would have been totally different.
And I dont say that because murray is a superman/ back, but he was a good fit with our line and they had jelled, and what they did last year
was good formula, and got them to 12-4 and close to winning nfc.
So keep it going one more year no matter what, and see if it goes all the way in 2015.

But no they throw that out, and try something new , and it leads to romo hurt and where they are now.

You should stop. Probability, like spelling, football, causation, is far beyond your reach.

 

[xwalker]

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Same old recycled philosophy. Typical avoidance. The Cowboys offer was barely lukewarm regardless of dollar amount. It wasn't about the dollar amount. It was about a warm fuzzy feeling coupled with a fair offer. He received one but definitely not the other.

The "warmest" offer came for the Raiders but he didn't want to go there. He called Chip and begged to come there if they would just match the Raiders offer.

 

[Bleu Star]

Always interesting to see the bedfellows. If you look up and realize you're in the bunker with cowboyblue and Dandy you've already lost. If the biggest troll on the board is spewing the same garbage you are it should cause you to reconsider the steps that led you there. Dandy is not as extreme but has been a concern troll since he got here.

Interesting. So those that voice their concerns and don't run with the flow of the lemming traffic are trolls? Very interesting philosophy. Tell us more.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Interesting. So those that voice their concerns and don't run with the flow of the lemming traffic are trolls? Very interesting philosophy. Tell us more.

Have you read their posts? cowboyblue is straight up the biggest troll on the forum.

 

[Bleu Star]

Have you read their posts? cowboyblue is straight up the biggest troll on the forum.

Nah. I'm sure you're onto something. I don't read every post on the board so i'm not that familiar.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yes, it would be really difficult for Murray to have prevented it because they were In an empty backfield formation.

The real issue is that when they're in the empty backfield formation, the expectation is that the QB will get rid of the ball very quickly. That's why Romo often went to Beasley from that formation in the past. On the play where Romo was injured, he pumped and pulled the ball back. The defense had sent 2 blitzing LBs in the same gap and the OL could only pick up one of them. Romo had just gotten too comfortable in that formation and didn't get rid of the ball like he should have done.

it was supposed to be a quick pass to the top of tv screen, or left side, and it was street or butler, and they didnt do what they were supposed to,
as tony looked nowhere but at that guy. he pulled it down saw the guy coming and went down .

Which comes back to having these bkups better coached, they should know what to do, they might not do it as good as a # 1, but they should know
what to do.
and yeah not having murray in on that play is irrelevant to what I was saying about tony not getting hurt.

 

[DandyDon52]

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Same old recycled philosophy. Typical avoidance. The Cowboys offer was barely lukewarm regardless of dollar amount. It wasn't about the dollar amount. It was about a warm fuzzy feeling coupled with a fair offer. He received one but definitely not the other.

cowboys only offered 12 mil guaranteed, and philly was 20 mil which was probably the highest in G money of all his offers
All the cowboys had to do was offer 6 mil a year, and 20 G and he would have signed, with like bleu says a little of the warm and fuzzy.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

it was supposed to be a quick pass to the top of tv screen, or left side, and it was street or butler, and they didnt do what they were supposed to,
as tony looked nowhere but at that guy. he pulled it down saw the guy coming and went down .

Which comes back to having these bkups better coached, they should know what to do, they might not do it as good as a # 1, but they should know
what to do.
and yeah not having murray in on that play is irrelevant to what I was saying about tony not getting hurt.

Guys on the team for less than a week should definitely be as prepared as guys in the system for years. This is the logic that I like to see.

 

[DenCWBY]

Well you are correct , that would be very unlikely to happen, but it all would be changed and anything could happen.
you would have to look at propabiltys too, like Romo got hit once last year, and missed 1 game, and years ago he I think hurt his collarbone,
so while possible they are unlikely to happen.

like the 3 you say get drunk and have the car wreck, with those particular 3 guys that is very very unlikely to happen.
They are all sensible guys, They may not even drink.

The main thing is the play tony got hurt on would not have happened and with murray and a better run game, less passing so less chance for
tony to get hurt, more top which helps defense, and so 4-1 or 5-0.

With romo and murray, and the way hardy played in NE game, I think Dallas wins that game.

When they let murray go the team went down another road, this road, and I think the other road with murray would have been totally different.
And I dont say that because murray is a superman/ back, but he was a good fit with our line and they had jelled, and what they did last year
was good formula, and got them to 12-4 and close to winning nfc.
So keep it going one more year no matter what, and see if it goes all the way in 2015.

But no they throw that out, and try something new , and it leads to romo hurt and where they are now.

I understand playing the odds but as they say "any given Sunday", no one knows the outcome or what will happen. Obviously I gave an unrealistic outcome to make a point but there are literally millions of variables that play a part in a teams success, most they do not control. Bigger variables they do control are contracts, chemistry...etc. Murray was a good fit last year, but other major offensive weapons also worked for him, which we do not have this year and he does not have with Phili.
1.By signing Murray, would we have room to sign Hardy/Dez?
2. Romo said over and over again, you cannot rely on last years team. New year, new team, new opponents...etc. Just have to put in the work.
3. Also we took a lot of teams by surprise last year and D coordinators have obviously adjusted.
4. With Murray, I don't believe this team is any better this year. Perhaps with Callahan a little better.
We could beat our heads all day about would have, could have, should have. It is what it is. Just hope it turns around in some way this Sunday.

 

[tyke1doe]

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Sorry, but that's not proof.
Look, I don't sweat you for having an opinion. But you simply cannot say what you have been saying as if it's certainty.
Hypotheticals and alternate realities are not provable.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When they let murray go the team went down another road, this road, and I think the other road with murray would have been totally different.
And I dont say that because murray is a superman/ back, but he was a good fit with our line and they had jelled, and what they did last year
was good formula, and got them to 12-4 and close to winning nfc.
So keep it going one more year no matter what, and see if it goes all the way in 2015.

But no they throw that out, and try something new , and it leads to romo hurt and where they are now.

You lost me on how not signing Murray got Romo hurt.

 

[ConstantReboot]

JoeBoBBY said: ↑
It was a huge mistake. On both parts. For Murray and the Cowboys.

For future reference: You probably dont want to lose the leagues leading rusher in FA. You probably dont want to mess around with the dynamic and locker room leadership and team chemistry that lead to a 12-4 season. The best season in ohhhhh 20 years?

You probably dont want to do that!

If youre worried about wear and tear, then have Randle(who you are so high on anyone) pick up the slack....or even sign another RB..... to compliment all the high draft choice studs you have spent on the Offensive Line.......

It was a mistake. A big mistake. And everybody knows it. That is of course, if winning a Super Bowl is the number one goal.

yes JoeBoBBY nailed it, and I think you are right too, most people in NFL media know it was a mistake, and it shocked people at the time.
As another pointed out they gave crawford a better contract than murray got in phil, and who would have helped the team more this year,
crawford or murray??
I would rather have murray, he is more of a game changer.

Thus this idea that Murray would have broke the bank if we signed him is false. If thats the case why did we sign Crawford?

I really think that they just didn't want Murray and that their idea of an RBBC is the most logical step moving forward. Boy were they very, very wrong.

I knew the writing was on the wall when they let Murray go so easily. You don't fix that which wasn't broken. Our team wasn't broken last year and after many frustrating seasons we have finally gotten fixed. But that all changed when the Jones thought they knew better. They thought going RBBC would get us to the Superbowl. Boy were they very wrong on that. Now were left with scrubs and no remnants of a dominant running game like what we had last year. Thanks to the Joneses.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Thus this idea that Murray would have broke the bank if we signed him is false. If thats the case why did we sign Crawford?

I really think that they just didn't want Murray and that their idea of an RBBC is the most logical step moving forward. Boy were they very, very wrong.

I knew the writing was on the wall when they let Murray go so easily. You don't fix that which wasn't broken. Our team wasn't broken last year and after many frustrating seasons we have finally gotten fixed. But that all changed when the Jones thought they knew better. They thought going RBBC would get us to the Superbowl. Boy were they very wrong on that. Now were left with scrubs and no remnants of a dominant running game like what we had last year. Thanks to the Joneses.

Last year's team wasn't broken outside of one thing that the Murray pearl clutchers had as their siren song last season: a pass rush.

 

[jjktkk]

sad thing is dallas had the winning formula, and good RB and they threw it all out the window, to try something else.
Now that didnt work out too good and here we are.

No Romo , no Dez, so you think opposing defenses are going to let the Cowboys run the ball, or are they going to make an inexperienced, backup, qb beat them. I mean, how in the heck can you properly evaluate this offense with those two out of the lineup. You really think Murray could run at will with Weeden as his qb?

 

[Nightman]

Wow you guys dont watch any shows dealing with time travel lol!
Obviously it happened but if you went back in time and got jerry to sign murray, from that point forward it would be a different
course of events unfolding, the whole season would be different, all of the games and playcalls would be different.

So that play that romo was hurt on would not have occurred as it did, Tony might get hurt on another play, but maybe not.
Now dez is another story, he could still show up not hydrated and hurt his foot, but even that scenario would be different and might not occur.

Things we do or dont do cause events to unfold a certain way, and if you change something then the events unfold differently.

If the team and linehan had murray dont you think the game plans and playcalling would have been different than without murray?
And it isnt just murray, make any change in lineup and future could be altered.

I am saying that play would never have occured, not that murray being in the game would have prevented it.

Dez would NOT have been dehydrated because Murray would lend him some of his 20 cups of water.

Romo would not get hurt vs the Eagles because Brice Butler would never be on the team to mess up the spacing on the play Romo got hurt.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

No Romo , no Dez, so you think opposing defenses are going to let the Cowboys run the ball, or are they going to make an inexperienced, backup, qb beat them. I mean, how in the heck can you properly evaluate this offense with those two out of the lineup. You really think Murray could run at will with Weeden as his qb?

Why of course he would. If you take a look at his statistics, forget that he's played an extra game, and ignore the context of his only productive game taking place at the end of a blowout, you'd see that he's actually dominated the competition or something. Einstein here explained it all very well .

 

[waving monkey]

I just love when people take the simple approach and come back with this question. It amuses me.

Is the Eagles offensive scheme similar or identical to that used by the Cowboys?

Let's discuss.

Also, take note that Chip finally realized his scheme was not one size fits all and made some changes a few weeks ago to accommodate his starting QB and RB. How did that work out for Demarco last week? Where does Philly currently sit in our division?

Perhaps Chip watched some Cowboys offensive film. Hmmm

Bottom line, it was a travesty to let Demarco go without a fight that might have helped him believe we cared. This could have lowered the asking price. But noooo... We're smarter than everyone else. Hence our 20 year drought, scatback by committee, & desire to place guys in positions where they don't excel just to prove a point (Randle).

That all history though. But it bears mention since you asked such a simple question.

I view Christine Michael as that 3rd round draft pick that we screwed the pooch on. His success will erase the memory of that faux pas.

the simple approach isn't necessary the wrong approach ,it's just obvious

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I'd hope so

 

[waving monkey]

I completely disagree with your disagreement.

We should have made Murray feel wanted. Instead, we gave him the cold shoulder and the rest is history. Players tend to meet in the middle when theres another side showing some semblance of desire.

Negotiations 101.

Mistake #2 was not smothering that liability in the draft.

Garrett took Murray out to dinner and to sports events along with Tony Romo. The FO simply held their
to the financials on RB and rightly so.Let's look at Murray's performance by the end of the season.