Can roy be cut since next year is uncapped?

[thechosen1n2]

Who do you want to sign? Most (not all) wanted Roy last year. Do you have someone in mind that will be available and that we can sign?

No one in particular. Im not ready to give up on Roy, but if it continues this way why pay a man 9 mil a year for this production. If someone good is available we can pay them that 9 mil, if not we can pay a lot less for the production he is bringing.

This was a thread dealing with a hypothetical situation....IF IF IF Williams did not get any better. He would have 24 games under his belt with no connection with our qb.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well it doesnt. I would be raising this question if TO was still here. The only thing this has to do with is Him earning too much money for his production.

I think your right. What he's getting paid and what we gave up for him. That's what the problem is.

It's interesting to me. I have listened to Yankee fans and really baseball fans say the same thing about ARod since the Yankees signed him. Same thing with CC earlier in the year. It's interesting that you don't hear that right now. ARod is having what could be the best post season in the history of the game and CC was just named MVP of the ALCS. I'm betting that the Yankees are very happy that they picked up the option on ARod and stayed patient with CC. Not saying that it's going to bring them a World Series or that Roy will have that kind of impact for the Cowboys but I think there is something to be said for having patients and letting things sort themselves out. Roy is a talented player and eventually, that talent will show up. It's simply a matter of time IMO.

 

[Angus]

If you go do a search you will find plenty calling for Miles's head especially when the young free agent WR from a small college did not instantly turn into a pro bowler.

Our fans are very unreasonable but it is rooted in ignorance of the game and the crap that is being fed to them by the national and local media.

Mostly from draft snobs.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I think your right. What he's getting paid and what we gave up for him. That's what the problem is.

It's interesting to me. I have listened to Yankee fans and really baseball fans say the same thing about ARod since the Yankees signed him. Same thing with CC earlier in the year. It's interesting that you don't hear that right now. ARod is having what could be the best post season in the history of the game and CC was just named MVP of the ALCS. I'm betting that the Yankees are very happy that they picked up the option on ARod and stayed patient with CC. Not saying that it's going to bring them a World Series or that Roy will have that kind of impact for the Cowboys but I think there is something to be said for having patients and letting things sort themselves out. Roy is a talented player and eventually, that talent will show up. It's simply a matter of time IMO.

Man comparing Roy to ARod is something serious. ARod would disappear in the playoffs (by his standards) but this guy is constantly in the discussion for the best player in baseball. I will continue to repeat that I am not calling for his head now, but if production does not step up (and I hope it does, I like the guy) as a GM I would make a move and take that hit in an uncapped year and bring in someone else IF someone else better was available.

 

[burmafrd]

certainly in contention for the dumbest thread of the day

 

[Joe Realist]

You don't cut a guy you gave up so much for. Will he be worth what we gave up? No, but he will come around at some point and be a weapon. He just won't be the All-Pro we want him to be.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

I think the problem is more romo than roy to be honest.

I don't think tony trusts him yet, wish it would happen sooner rather than later.[/quote]


Having your passes dropped repeatedly by a certain WR tends to affect trust with a QB. At this point it isn't on Romo to build the trust up between them. Roy needs to step up and earn it when he's given the chance.

 

[DallasEast]

certainly in contention for the dumbest thread of the day

Could you point out its nearest competitior? It's pretty hard to find.

 

[Common Sense]

Maybe dropping 2 of the first 3 passes thrown to him yesterday has something to do with it.

He's been targeted by Romo over 70 times and has 31 catches since he's come over. I'm not sure this is as much on Romo as you think.

But... but... but... I'm a mindless homer and Roy is the best thing ever!!!!!

Crayton is a better receiver than RW. Talent, draft status, and "whether-or-not-someone-went-to-UT" doesn't factor into production and attitude.

 

[Avery]

He won't be cut, but the reason he's not seeing the ball more is his sloppy routes - almost all of his big catches have been on fly patterns.

 

[zrinkill]

No its not.

Its the rules.

And you should probably discuss it in private with a mod before you have another reason to cry.

 

[Doomsay]

-I dont want him cut now!
-I dont want him cut if he starts to produce
-I dont want him eating up cap space next year if this is what we are going to get

Why do people take offense to that? I know this is a message board, and people disagree, but what is there to disagree about?

All very logical and objective positions. Roy is getting a lot of heat because he is being outperformed by former and present special teams role players and he is consuming a huge amount of our limited resource$ in the process. If he continues to perform at this level and we have the opportunity to convert his cap money into a replacement lineman or 2, it would make absolute sense to dump him next year.

Maybe Roy will turn it around, but he has to prove that he's worth it. With almost a full season under his belt he has yet to demonstrate that his play warrants even a quarter of his current salary, so the unemotional math is fairly simple. It was an impulsive "now" (and future) move by Jerry that has so far been an epic bust, usually we have to eat those things for years so that Jerry can delude himself at the beginning of each season that it will finally pan out and justify his exuberance, if we get the chance to unload this latest potential dud without cap consequence, then it would be the obvious move if Roy continues to underperform.

 

[thechosen1n2]

All very logical and objective positions. Roy is getting a lot of heat because he is being outperformed by former and present special teams role players and he is consuming a huge amount of our limited resource$ in the process. If he continues to perform at this level and we have the opportunity to convert his cap money into a replacement lineman or 2, it would make absolute sense to dump him next year.

Maybe Roy will turn it around, but he has to prove that he's worth it. With almost a full season under his belt he has yet to demonstrate that his play warrants even a quarter of his current salary, so the unemotional math is fairly simple. It was an impulsive "now" (and future) move by Jerry that has so far been an epic bust, usually we have to eat those things for years so that Jerry can delude himself at the beginning of each season that it will finally pan out and justify his exuberance, if we get the chance to unload this latest potential dud without cap consequence, then it would be the obvious move if Roy continues to underperform.

Thank you for stating this so eloquently. I tend to speak on a message board as if a person is right here in front of me.

 

[JeffInDC]

All very logical and objective positions. Roy is getting a lot of heat because he is being outperformed by former and present special teams role players and he is consuming a huge amount of our limited resource$ in the process. If he continues to perform at this level and we have the opportunity to convert his cap money into a replacement lineman or 2, it would make absolute sense to dump him next year.

Maybe Roy will turn it around, but he has to prove that he's worth it. With almost a full season under his belt he has yet to demonstrate that his play warrants even a quarter of his current salary, so the unemotional math is fairly simple. It was an impulsive "now" (and future) move by Jerry that has so far been an epic bust, usually we have to eat those things for years so that Jerry can delude himself at the beginning of each season that it will finally pan out and justify his exuberance, if we get the chance to unload this latest potential dud without cap consequence, then it would be the obvious move if Roy continues to underperform.

I've been one of the bigger supporters of RW, but I have decided that he has to produce season totals in this general area come seasons end to tell me he is a player:

55-60 Catches, 850-900 yards, 6 TD's

That means he needs about 40-50 catches over his last 10 - asking him to average 4-5 grabs a game shouldn't be too much, should it (since he wants to be viewed like a #1)? Now, I know these aren't #1 WR numbers. However, considering that he only has 12 catches through 6 games (5 played), for him to reach those numbers at this point would DEFINITELY tell me he still has a chance to be really good.

 

[TwentyOne]

Experts is that an opportunity to rid ourselves of that contract?

Because of the uncapped year there are different rules for the complete year 2009.

"In 2009, there is no June 1 rule for Signing Bonus acceleration. If a player is removed from the roster or his contract is assigned via waivers or trade at any time in the 2009 League Year, any unamortized signing bonus will be immediately included in Team Salary."
(source: http://www.cincyjungle.com/2009/1/16/725767/q-and-a-about-the-nfl-s-up)


This means if we cut Roy this season we will have to eat all of his signing bonus this season. Which we are not able to do.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Because of the uncapped year there are different rules for the complete year 2009.

"In 2009, there is no June 1 rule for Signing Bonus acceleration. If a player is removed from the roster or his contract is assigned via waivers or trade at any time in the 2009 League Year, any unamortized signing bonus will be immediately included in Team Salary."
(source: http://www.cincyjungle.com/2009/1/16/725767/q-and-a-about-the-nfl-s-up)


This means if we cut Roy this season we will have to eat all of his signing bonus this season. Which we are not able to do.

Thank you. That is what i was looking for in this post.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No its not.

Its the rules.

And you should probably discuss it in private with a mod before you have another reason to cry.

Hey zrin, how you been?

 

[zrinkill]

Hey zrin, how you been?

Been rough man.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

:bang2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Been rough man.

Sorry to hear that. Not enough arguing probably.