News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

[5Stars]

And really, even with Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers, you are talking about 1 Super Bowl for their entire careers so far. Does that make them failures all those other 35 years or so? I do t see it that way.

You don't see it that way because Romo trolls only focus on him and not the entire team.

 

[5Stars]

I'm curious as to why none of those 8 million followers have never come here to defend him. Hmmm.....

I think those 8 million are just in his head! lol

I mean, how in the hell would you know that number anyway?

 

[Jstopper]

I think those 8 million are just in his head! lol

I mean, how in the hell would you know that number anyway?

According to KJJ logic we should respect Trent Dilfer. After all, he LED that Ravens team to a superbowl win lolol

 

[5Stars]

According to KJJ logic we should respect Trent Dilfer. After all, he LED that Ravens team to a superbowl win lolol

Yeah, he did...but the Raven's defense had nothing to do with all that! lol

It's the same with KJJ's love of Eli and how he won 2 SB's! His team had nothing to do with that, it was all Eli.

 

[Idgit]

Obviously if a QB is performing like a top player statistically and not turning the ball over they're not going to be dumped. Teams who have QB's who are performing at a high level compete for the playoffs every year. The one area you have to focus on with QB's is turnovers because they can maintain a high passer rating despite a lot of turnovers. Drew Brees had a passer rating of 97.0 in 2014 despite 20 turnovers that contributed to the Saints 7-9 record. As for Brady prior to taking over as the Pats starting QB NE was coming off a 5-11 season in 2000 and were off to a 0-2 start in 2001 when Brady came in. He completely turned that team around in one season and the rest is history. Same with Montana the 49ers were a 6-10 team in 1980 until he became their full-time starter. Both QB's turned bad teams into great teams making every player around them better.

You're looking at two example of teams that had more than a QB in place who then added QB's and concluding they win because of the QBs.

Passing effectiveness differential wins games. It's tough to get that differential if you don't have both an effective passing offense and an effective passing defense. There's no getting around it.

 

[percyhoward]

As for Brady prior to taking over as the Pats starting QB NE was coming off a 5-11 season in 2000 and were off to a 0-2 start in 2001 when Brady came in. He completely turned that team around in one season and the rest is history.

I offer the following as an alternative to the sort of analysis provided above.

Brady-Era Patriots
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
2001 7th 11-5
2002 23rd (Brady started every game) 9-7
2003 13th 14-2
2004 6th 14-2
2005 17th 10-6
2006 4th 12-4
2007 4th 16-0
2008 9th (Brady missed season) 11-5
2009 7th 10-6
2010 9th 14-2
2011 12th 13-3
2012 7th 12-4
2013 6th 12-4
2014 10th 12-4

The only year they failed to win 10 games, and the only year they didn't make the playoffs with Brady was 2002. There wasn't any problem with Brady that year, the Patriots just weren't a good team. Every other year, the Patriots were at least an average team, and usually a good-to-great team. Every other year, the Patriots had at least 10 wins. Even in 2008 when Brady was injured in week 1 and missed the entire season, the team went 11-5.

Same with Montana the 49ers were a 6-10 team in 1980 until he became their full-time starter. Both QB's turned bad teams into great teams making every player around them better.

It's the same story -- just not the one you think you're telling.

Montana-Era 49ers
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
1981 6th 13-3
1982 20th (Montana started every game) 3-6
1983 7th 10-6
1984 2nd 15-1
1985 3rd 10-6
1986 8th (Montana missed half the season) 10-5-1
1987 12th 13-2
1988 8th 10-6
1989 8th 14-2
1990 10th 14-2

Team matters, perception doesn't.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I offer the following as an alternative to the sort of analysis provided above.

Brady-Era Patriots
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
2001 7th 11-5
2002 23rd (Brady started every game) 9-7
2003 13th 14-2
2004 6th 14-2
2005 17th 10-6
2006 4th 12-4
2007 4th 16-0
2008 9th (Brady missed season) 11-5
2009 7th 10-6
2010 9th 14-2
2011 12th 13-3
2012 7th 12-4
2013 6th 12-4
2014 10th 12-4

The only year they failed to win 10 games, and the only year they didn't make the playoffs with Brady was 2002. There wasn't any problem with Brady that year, the Patriots just weren't a good team. Every other year, the Patriots were at least an average team, and usually a good-to-great team. Every other year, the Patriots had at least 10 wins. Even in 2008 when Brady was injured in week 1 and missed the entire season, the team went 11-5.


It's the same story -- just not the one you think you're telling.

Montana-Era 49ers
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
1981 6th 13-3
1982 20th (Montana started every game) 3-6
1983 7th 10-6
1984 2nd 15-1
1985 3rd 10-6
1986 8th (Montana missed half the season) 10-5-1
1987 12th 13-2
1988 8th 10-6
1989 8th 14-2
1990 10th 14-2

Team matters, perception doesn't.

You should have included Andrew Luck "turning around" the Colts after they won something like 8 or 9 division titles in a 10 year span, only to take a massive dip when they replaced perhaps the best QB in NFL history with Curtis Painter. Then they plugged in a QB with a pulse and the divisions continued on schedule.

 

[KJJ]

I offer the following as an alternative to the sort of analysis provided above.

Brady-Era Patriots
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
2001 7th 11-5
2002 23rd (Brady started every game) 9-7
2003 13th 14-2
2004 6th 14-2
2005 17th 10-6
2006 4th 12-4
2007 4th 16-0
2008 9th (Brady missed season) 11-5
2009 7th 10-6
2010 9th 14-2
2011 12th 13-3
2012 7th 12-4
2013 6th 12-4
2014 10th 12-4

The only year they failed to win 10 games, and the only year they didn't make the playoffs with Brady was 2002. There wasn't any problem with Brady that year, the Patriots just weren't a good team. Every other year, the Patriots were at least an average team, and usually a good-to-great team. Every other year, the Patriots had at least 10 wins. Even in 2008 when Brady was injured in week 1 and missed the entire season, the team went 11-5.


It's the same story -- just not the one you think you're telling.

Montana-Era 49ers
Combined rank (rushing TD, points allowed)
bold = 10-win season
1981 6th 13-3
1982 20th (Montana started every game) 3-6
1983 7th 10-6
1984 2nd 15-1
1985 3rd 10-6
1986 8th (Montana missed half the season) 10-5-1
1987 12th 13-2
1988 8th 10-6
1989 8th 14-2
1990 10th 14-2

Team matters, perception doesn't.

You attempt to tell stories with a page full of stats and rankings. You use stats and rankings to try and explain everything. You must love wasting your time. LOL

 

[KJJ]

You're looking at two example of teams that had more than a QB in place who then added QB's and concluding they win because of the QBs.

Passing effectiveness differential wins games. It's tough to get that differential if you don't have both an effective passing offense and an effective passing defense. There's no getting around it.

The Pats didn't have much of a team in plsce prior to Brady taking over just look at their record the previous 2 seasons. They were 8-8 in 99 and 5-11 in 2000. They started off 0-2 in 2001 and Belichick was on the hot seat. I'm certainly not saying it was all Brady but as soon as he takes over he leads them to their first championship. He helped turned NE into a dynasty and Belichick into a genius. No way does that franchise ever become as great as it has without Brady. It was the same with Montana SF didn't have much of a team in place when he became their full time starter.

They were 2-14 in 79 and 6-10 in 1980 and it all changed when Montana became their QB. A lot of teams have had huge turnarounds quick adding a great QB. The Colts went from a 2-14 team to an 11-5 playoff team in one season under Luck. Throwing TD's and not turning the ball over wins games especially playoff games. Romo was more efficient than Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs according to their passer ratings but Rodgers tossed one more TD than Romo and that proved to be the difference.

 

[Idgit]

The Pats didn't have much of a team in plsce prior to Brady taking over just look at their record the previous 2 seasons. They were 8-8 in 99 and 5-11 in 2000. They started off 0-2 in 2001 and Belichick was on the hot seat. I'm certainly not saying it was all Brady but as soon as he takes over he leads them to their first championship. He helped turned NE into a dynasty and Belichick into a genius. No way does that franchise ever become as great as it has without Brady. It was the same with Montana SF didn't have much of a team in place when he became their full time starter.

They were 2-14 in 79 and 6-10 in 1980 and it all changed when Montana became their QB. A lot of teams have had huge turnarounds quick adding a great QB. The Colts went from a 2-14 team to an 11-5 playoff team in one season under Luck. Throwing TD's and not turning the ball over wins games especially playoff games. Romo was more efficient than Aaron Rodgers in the playoffs according to their passer ratings but Rodgers tossed one more TD than Romo and that proved to be the difference.

That's because, as everybody is showing you, good teams that don't have QBs can't win. And good QBs who don't have good teams have a similar problem.

I think you ought to spend more time digesting percy's really good post. It makes things pretty obvious if you're really interested in how QB play helps teams win v. how it's limited. I'm getting the sense that you're not all that interested in that, though.

 

[Redball Express]

Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?
By Tom Ryle

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...ny-romo-ever-get-the-respect-his-play-demands


There are few NFL players more polarizing than Tony Romo. People who write about and just follow the NFL alike seem to either think very highly of him, or still believe he is a second-rate quarterback who chokes at crucial times. In past years, he has gotten the usual disproportionate credit for the lack of success of the Dallas Cowboys, but after the very strong year he had in 2014, he has not gotten the commensurate praise from many of the same sources. For fans of the team who have seen how much of the load he carried on his shoulders in the bad years, and who were so thrilled to see him have success last year, it is maddening. Especially when you consider that he is one of the better citizens in the league.

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Won loss records and stats are for losers.

Winning titles such as the Eastern Division a few times doesn't get it.

Romo despite all his love has way less wins in the playoffs than Don Meredith, Danny White and even Craig Morton..

who got us into a SB and nearly won it.

Romo has had better personnel, better coaches and schemes expressly designed to take advantage of his scrambling skills and shortcomings to make him be as good as he is.

Nobody can argue his passion.

And against .500 teams he succeeds for the most part.

But as measured against the best teams with the best QBs..

I think he struggles too much.

That's not bashing him.

To me..it's just the way it has been.

 

[rpntex]

You attempt to tell stories with a page full of stats and rankings. You use stats and rankings to try and explain everything. You must love wasting your time. LOL

Well, since you won't address the issue he raises (surprise, surprise that you conveniently tap dance around it), I'll translate it into simple English. There were seasons in both examples when Brady and Montana missed the majority of the year with injuries, yet their TEAMS didn't miss a beat. Maybe it's because the team around them made a difference, and it wasn't all about the QB.

Here's an inverse example---just how many years did it take John Elway to win his first ring? Answer---same number of years it took Denver to put a running game around him.

If you want to say that outstanding QB play is important to winning a Super Bowl, I don't know anyone who'd argue with you. It's ridiculous, however, tostate that postseason success is the only stat by which a QB's career is measured. If that were the case...

guys like Marino and Dan Fouts were no better than average QBs...
John Elway was a mediocre QB for the first 14 seasons of his career...
Trent Dilfer belongs in the Hall of Fame

 

[KJJ]

That's because, as everybody is showing you, good teams that don't have QBs can't win. And good QBs who don't have good teams have a similar problem.

I think you ought to spend more time digesting percy's really good post. It makes things pretty obvious if you're really interested in how QB play helps teams win v. how it's limited. I'm getting the sense that you're not all that interested in that, though.

All I'm being shown is a big pile of statistical drivel and you guys slap it all up defending every ounce of it. I don't have the digestive system to take down every passer rating and ranking that Percy regurgitates every few weeks. Never have I seen a poster so absorbed with passer ratings, stats and rankings. I'm not interested in any of this it's a waste of time.

 

[Idgit]

All I'm being shown is a big pile of statistical drivel and you guys slap it all up defending every ounce of it. I don't have the digestive system to take down every passer rating and ranking that Percy regurgitates every few weeks. Never have I seen a poster so absorbed with passer ratings, stats and rankings. I'm not interested in any of this it's a waste of time.

Any knowledge is a waste of time to somebody uninterested in learning.

If you'd prefer to cherry pick for examples that only partially reinforce what you want to believe anyway, that's up to you. As long as the team continues to focus on issues that impact passer rating differential the most, it won't really matter. Romo will win those big games and you can explain to us how much better he's mysteriously gotten at 35 or 36 years old. We'll pretend to agree.

 

[KJJ]

Well, since you won't address the issue he raises (surprise, surprise that you conveniently tap dance around it), I'll translate it into simple English. There were seasons in both examples when Brady and Montana missed the majority of the year with injuries, yet their TEAMS didn't miss a beat. Maybe it's because the team around them made a difference, and it wasn't all about the QB.

Here's an inverse example---just how many years did it take John Elway to win his first ring? Answer---same number of years it took Denver to put a running game around him.

If you want to say that outstanding QB play is important to winning a Super Bowl, I don't know anyone who'd argue with you. It's ridiculous, however, tostate that postseason success is the only stat by which a QB's career is measured. If that were the case...

guys like Marino and Dan Fouts were no better than average QBs...
John Elway was a mediocre QB for the first 14 seasons of his career...
Trent Dilfer belongs in the Hall of Fame

I'm not wasting my time with his statistical drivel and you're wasting your time defending him. As for Elway he was getting Denver to SB's when they had nothing around him it was a one man show. He got Denver to 3 SB's they should have never been in and it was mostly all him. Fouts and Marino were judged by their record breaking league numbers. Fouts was putting up 4800 passing yards over 30 years ago when no QB was doing that. Marino came along and put up over 5000 yards over 30 years ago. They're 2 of the only great QB's that can get by without a ring and still receive a lot of respect. Those who bring up Dilfer are silly! The dude sucked practically every year and got carried to a SB win by one of the all time great defenses. He was so bad the Ravens dumped him immediately after they won that SB.

 

[KJJ]

Any knowledge is a waste of time to somebody uninterested in learning.

If you'd prefer to cherry pick for examples that only partially reinforce what you want to believe anyway, that's up to you. As long as the team continues to focus on issues that impact passer rating differential the most, it won't really matter. Romo will win those big games and you can explain to us how much better he's mysteriously gotten at 35 or 36 years old. We'll pretend to agree.

I know what I'm talking about and Romo needs a ring to get the respect everyone here wants him to get and none of Percy's passer ratings and rankings are going to change that.. Romo could have a passer rating of 120.0 the next 3 seasons and if the Cowboys don't win it all during one of those seasons those passer ratings aren't going to matter to anyone but FANS here.

 

[Idgit]

Well, since you won't address the issue he raises (surprise, surprise that you conveniently tap dance around it), I'll translate it into simple English. There were seasons in both examples when Brady and Montana missed the majority of the year with injuries, yet their TEAMS didn't miss a beat. Maybe it's because the team around them made a difference, and it wasn't all about the QB.

Here's an inverse example---just how many years did it take John Elway to win his first ring? Answer---same number of years it took Denver to put a running game around him.

If you want to say that outstanding QB play is important to winning a Super Bowl, I don't know anyone who'd argue with you. It's ridiculous, however, tostate that postseason success is the only stat by which a QB's career is measured. If that were the case...

guys like Marino and Dan Fouts were no better than average QBs...
John Elway was a mediocre QB for the first 14 seasons of his career...
Trent Dilfer belongs in the Hall of Fame

It really was a good argument. KJJ's doing his own position a real disservice by trying to ignore it and calling it drivel. It unravels his whole position, which we both know is the real reason he won't address it.

 

[Idgit]

I know what I'm talking about and Romo needs a ring to get the respect everyone here wants him to get and none of Percy's passer ratings and rankings are going to change that.. Romo could have a passer rating of 120.0 the next 3 seasons and if the Cowboys don't win it all during one of those seasons those passer ratings aren't going to matter to anyone but FANS here.

It'll matter to the DCs trying to defend him.

 

[KJJ]

It really was a good argument. KJJ's doing his own position a real disservice by trying to ignore it and calling it drivel. It unravels his whole position, which we both know is the real reason he won't address it.

It's all drivel none of what Percy posts is going to gain Romo respect outside Cowboys Nation. Everyone knows he puts up great stats and passer ratings every year but they don't lead to hardly anything but an occasional playoff win every 5 years. No rankings or rating is going to gain Romo respect he needs to win a championship. Percy can't provide a championship so he just keeps on with the passer ratings, stats and QB comparisons....YAWN!!!

 

[5Stars]

It's all drivel none of what Percy posts is going to gain Romo respect outside Cowboys Nation. Everyone knows he puts up great stats and passer ratings every year but they don't lead to hardly anything but an occasional playoff win every 5 years. No rankings or rating is going to gain Romo respect he needs to win a championship. Percy can't provide a championship so he just keeps on with the passer ratings, stats and QB comparisons....YAWN!!!

Please...go to to sleep! Dream about trolls....