News: Can Tony Romo Ever Get The Respect His Play Demands?

[DallasEast]

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[KJJ]

Romo needs a ring to get the respect his play deserves. If he never win a championship he'll be best remembered for his ill-timed flubs primarily the bobbled snap in Seattle during the 06 playoffs. So far that gaff has been the signature play of his career and started him on a path of some notable mistakes that created a stigma that only a championship will erase. It's going to be unfortunate if he's mostly remembered for his bad plays because he's been a very good, consistent QB over a long period but the reality is it's going to take a championship to overcome the choker label that's been following him since 06.

 

[CCBoy]

Romo needs a ring to get the respect his play deserves. If he never win as championship he'll be best remembered for his ill-timed flubs primarily the bobbled snap in Seattle during the 06 playoffs. So far that gaff has been the signature play of his career and started him on a path of some notable mistakes that created a stigma that only a championship will erase. It's going to be unfortunate if he's mostly remembered for his bad plays because he's been a very good, consistent QB over a long period but the reality is it's going to take a championship to overcome the choker label that's been following him since 06.

That 'flub' should have the head coach's blame on the line, for allowing his starting quarterback to also hold for kicks.

 

[KJJ]

That 'flub' should have the head coach's blame on the line, for allowing his starting quarterback to also hold for kicks.

Romo had been holding for kicks as a backup and had been flawless until then. Can't blame the HC for what happened he was going with the player that had been doing the job all along. Romo took over the starting job several games into the season it wouldn't have been wise to suddenly change holders at that point.

 

[Frozen700]

Win a ring then maybe

 

[KJJ]

I don't think he will ever get the recognition he deserves, even if he gets a ring. The Romo hate is too far entrenched into the haters psyche to admit he's not what they say. There will be excuses as to why it was a fluke.

It may literally take 500 yd, 4TD 0 int per game, an undefeated season, plus beating all teams with the same exact stats in the playoffs and the Super Bowl, and maybe, just maybe, they will say he's ok.

He'll never get respect from certain fan bases like the Giants, Eagles and Commanders because they all hate the Cowboys. Eli never gets any respect amongst Cowboy Nation despite his 2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards. If you listen to some FAN bases out there they'll tell you Troy Aikman wasn't that good and shouldn't be in the HOF. The knowledgeable fans and those who talk football for a living give Romo a lot of recognition for the consistency he's displayed over his career. He's never had a bad season and never had a passer rating lower than 91.4 or a completion percentage lower than 61.3%. Statistically you won't find many QB's who've been more consistent over as long a period as he's been but it's been that one mistake at the wrong time that's fueled the fire amongst his detractors creating the stigma he has. Danny White was a good QB but despite 5 playoff wins and 3 straight NFC title games he's best remembered for a fumble and not getting it done in those games. A championship would change the perception many have of Romo but the haters will always hate regardless if he ever wins multiple rings.

 

[CCBoy]

Romo had been holding for kicks as a backup and had been flawless until then. Can't blame the HC for what happened he was going with the player that had been doing the job all along. Romo took over the starting job several games into the season it wouldn't have been wise to suddenly change holders at that point.

Once Tony Romo became the starter, then he should have been protected.

 

[KJJ]

Once Tony Romo became the starter, then he should have been protected.

He's not going to be injured holding a snap for a FG attempt and because he had been doing it and doing it well there was no point making a change during the season. That's an important job getting a snap down and because he was the backup when the season started I doubt the team had anyone else prepared enough who they felt as comfortable with. Can't recall anyone having an issue with Romo holding for kicks once he became the starter it only became an issue after he bobbled that snap in Seattle.

 

[CCBoy]

He's not going to be injured holding a snap for a FG attempt and because he had been doing it and doing it well there was no point making a change during the season. That's an important job getting a snap down and because he was the backup when the season started I doubt the team had anyone else prepared enough who they felt as comfortable with.

That's akin to saying a person doesn't have to keep his head down because he has a kevlar on, and no current incoming rounds.

But this is a respect for Tony Romo thread, and the fumbled kick with a slick ball is shown to be a minor consideration at best. And Tony still almost made a first down in reacting to a stress time.

 

[KJJ]

What are the criteria for determining the value of an individual player? For quarterbacks, that's passing performance.

Which includes passing performance in playoff/elimination games and that's where Romo built his reputation for folding. He was terrific last season in the playoffs but the Cowboys still came up way short. His passer ratings have been poor in playoff/elimination games over the majority of his career and that's a stat you put a lot of importance on. It's been a tale of 2 Romo's during the regular season and playoffs over the brunt of his career. You have the regular season Romo who's been very efficient and the playoff/elimination game Romo who's been plagued by 12 turnovers and has a 2-7 playoff/elimination game record. QB's are ultimately judged by how they perform in the playoffs and Romo's 2-4 playoff record isn't going to come close to erasing the stigma he's been carrying regardless how efficient he remains during the regular season. Hopefully what we saw in the playoffs from Romo in 2014 was the start of an upward trend that will begin to change the perception most have of him.

 

[KJJ]

That's akin to saying a person doesn't have to keep his head down because he has a kevlar on, and no current incoming rounds.

But this is a respect for Tony Romo thread, and the fumbled kick with a slick ball is shown to be a minor consideration at best. And Tony still almost made a first down in reacting to a stress time.

Teams don't change their holder during the season unless there's a problem. There has to be some continuity between the kicker and the holder. The holder has to know just how the kicker wants the ball placed it's not something where you just throw in another holder and you're good to go. Don't give me this slick ball crap it's a poor excuse.

 

[DandyDon52]

"One big quote that put a lot of fans down on Romo was when he stated that if he never wins a SB his life will still go on or be good or something like that. I think Romo is comfortable with who he is and not what he can become, because if it does come, hey good for him."

That is one reason why it may never happen, a QB needs to be obsessive about getting to and winning a SB.
It isnt easy, the only reason P. Manning has a ring is he was obsessive about it and still is about getting a 2nd one.

Romo has also done poorly in playoffs, 2-4 now ? and lost and played poorly in 2 end of season win and your in games with NYG , and Wash.
He had the bad Dec record for awhile.
So even though he plays great during the season and put up good overall stats, he has not been stellar in the big games.

Last year was very good, but in playoffs, he was good but nothing stellar.
His best chance was in 2007, and he didnt take it seriously, they lost to the Giants, and since then The Dallas teams have been lacking a good defense.
It is a team game , and coaches make a difference in all this too.

So far tony has not made it to even one NFC championship game, so you cant expect the media to rate him high based on season stats alone.
Tony has not
1.made it to even one NFC championship game
2.won even one NFC championship game
3. made it to even one SB
4. won a SB
5. even worse I just realized he has not won even one Divisional round game!
13-3 and lost in Div round
12-4 and lost in Div round
11-5 and lost in Div round
So at least 3 good teams but he lost.

Tony has been fun to watch , and has played great at times, put up great stats, made his team good, made his
coaches look better than they actually are.
But bottom line is Tony and the team and the coaches do poorly at end of season and in playoffs over the years.
Instead of stepping up they step down .
Last year was one of their better efforts and Tony played good, but he or no one else really stepped up in the GB game.

Murray fumbles , witten runs route short on key play, and garret calls TO at a bad time, Dez doesnt make the play,
Bailey misses a FG, GB fumbles on kickoff and 2 dallas players cant get on the ball, Romo sacked in key situations, and
others miscues. A 12-4 team should play better than that in a playoff game.

many mistakes in the Det game too, which they barely won.

 

[DandyDon52]

Teams don't change their holder during the season unless there's a problem. There has to be some continuity between the kicker and the holder. The holder has to know just how the kicker wants the ball placed it's not something where you just throw in another holder and you're good to go. Don't give me this slick ball crap it's a poor excuse.

When the holder becomes the starting QB you should get another holder, it was mid season, even parcells said he should have not kept using Tony as the holder.
The ball was slick, and I think overinflated, and they changed the rules on home teams controlling the ball used after that incident.

 

[percyhoward]

His passer ratings have been poor in playoff/elimination games over the majority of his career and that's a stat you put a lot of importance on. It's been a tale of 2 Romo's during the regular season and playoffs over the brunt of his career. You have the regular season Romo who's been very efficient and the playoff/elimination game Romo who's been plagued by 12 turnovers and has a 2-7 playoff/elimination game record.

Among the top QB over the last 15 years, it's actually normal for passer rating to go down a bit in the playoffs compared to the regular season. Romo's doesn't drop as much as most.

QB rating comparison
regular season (postseason)
Brees 95.4 (100.4) +5.0
Romo 97.6 (93.0) -4.6
Rodgers 106.0 (101.0) -5.0
Brady 95.9 (88.9) -7.0
Manning 97.5 (88.5) -9.0
Rivers 95.7 (85.2) -10.5

The difference isn't really "regular season Romo" vs. "postseason Romo," it's good teams vs. bad.

Romo's elimination game rating
playoff seasons 93.0
non-playoff seasons 72.5

Avg rank of pass defense
playoff seasons 14th
non-playoff seasons 25th

Avg rank in rushing TD
playoff seasons 8th
non-playoff seasons 26th

 

[KJJ]

When the holder becomes the starting QB you should get another holder, it was mid season, even parcells said he should have not kept using Tony as the holder.
The ball was slick, and I think overinflated, and they changed the rules on home teams controlling the ball used after that incident.

I don't remember Parcells ever mentioning that he shouldn't have kept Romo as the holder until that bobbled snap. Can't remember anyone saying the Cowboys should change holders once Romo took over as the starter until that bobbled snap. Romo held 3 times prior to bobbling that snap during the game and never had an issue holding onto the ball until the game was on the line. Most teams don't change holders during the season unless there's a problem with the holder because it's important change.

 

[KJJ]

Among the top QB over the last 15 years, it's actually normal for passer rating to go down a bit in the playoffs compared to the regular season. Romo's doesn't drop as much as most.

QB rating comparison
regular season (postseason)
Brees 95.4 (100.4) +5.0
Romo 97.6 (93.0) -4.6
Rodgers 106.0 (101.0) -5.0
Brady 95.9 (88.9) -7.0
Manning 97.5 (88.5) -9.0
Rivers 95.7 (85.2) -10.5

The difference isn't really "regular season Romo" vs. "postseason Romo," it's good teams vs. bad.

Romo's elimination game rating
playoff seasons 93.0
non-playoff seasons 72.5

Avg rank of pass defense
playoff seasons 14th
non-playoff seasons 25th

Avg rank in rushing TD
playoff seasons 8th
non-playoff seasons 26th

Check Romo's TD to turnover ratio during his playoff/elimination games and compare it to those other QB's you mentioned. As you well know I put much more weight on a QB's TD to turnover ratio than I do their passer rating. Granted a QB's TD to turnover ratio plays a big part in their passer rating but lost fumbles don't count against a QB's passer rating.

 

[5Stars]

Win a ring then maybe

Tell that to the whole team. One man cannot win a ring by himself. But, a team can win and a team can lose. It is not a one man show, and I wish posters like you that make this kind of remark would really learn the word team. smh

 

[percyhoward]

Check Romo's TD to turnover ratio during his playoff/elimination games and compare it to those other QB's you mentioned. As you well know I put much more weight on a QB's TD to turnover ratio than I do their passer rating. Granted a QB's TD to turnover ratio plays a big part in their passer rating but lost fumbles don't count against a QB's passer rating.

This counts lost fumbles in postseason as INT.

QB rating comparison
regular season (postseason)
Brees 95.4 (94.1) -1.3
Brady 95.9 (86.7) -9.2
Romo 97.6 (87.6) -10.0
Rodgers 106.0 (91.8) -14.2
Manning 97.5 (83.2) -14.3
Rivers 95.7 (79.7) -16.0

 

[KJJ]

This counts lost fumbles in postseason as INT.

QB rating comparison
regular season (postseason)
Brees 95.4 (94.1) -1.3
Brady 95.9 (86.7) -9.2
Romo 97.6 (87.6) -10.0
Rodgers 106.0 (91.8) -14.2
Manning 97.5 (83.2) -14.3
Rivers 95.7 (79.7) -16.0

I didn't ask for another passer rating stat I asked you to compare Romo's TD to turnover ratio during his "playoff/elimination" games vs the TD to turnover ratio of those other QB's.

 

[percyhoward]

I didn't ask for another passer rating stat I asked you to compare Romo's TD to turnover ratio during his "playoff/elimination" games vs the TD to turnover ratio of those other QB's.

Taking out attempts, completions, and yards doesn't make any significant difference compared to what I already posted. In the non-playoff seasons, Romo's ratio is 1:2 (4 TD/8 turnovers). In the playoff seasons, it's 2:1 (8 TD/4 turnovers). This is consistent with the fact that his passer rating is 20 points higher in the six playoff games than in the three non-playoff "elimination" games (2008 at Phi, 2011 at NYG, 2012 at Was). The only way to make it appear as if there is a "tale of 2 Romo's" is to mix in those three extra games.

Postseason TD/turnovers
Brees 24/12
Romo 8/4
Brady 53/28
Rodgers 23/14
Manning 38/34
Rivers 11/12