Can we all agree QB play Makes WRS

[khiladi]

It's funny how I clearly put blame on Dak and that statement gets completely ignored. And then the "everybody but Dak" comment gets spewed.
I'll repeat that the entire offense, players and staff underachieved for a variety of reasons. I'm just pointing out that Dez is his own worst enemy regardless of the QB he has. There's always some kind of distraction. Even with Romo.
I could easily post a lazy statement like "It's everyone but Dez" just the same. I can't defend his antics.

You didn’t put blame on him in reality. It’s like the “I’m not racist, but..”. You added a whole list of excuses to accompany that to lower his fault in this mess.

Tell me on which planet does a WRs play have more effect on an offense than a poor QBs play, considering the QB touches the ball every snap?

You expect a WR to be mentally sharp 100% when the QB is demonstrating his mental sharpness by calling pass plays in the red zone against fronts he should be calling run in, but the latter is the coaches fault for putting him in that situation?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dez's qbs since signing contract:

Weeden
Cassell
Moore
Prescott

None of these qbs are high level passers of the ball, what do you expect from the receivers.

All wrs numbers suffered this season, what? They fell off also?

Dak was on pace for 32 passing TD;s and 3600 yards passing this year. That's a very good year passing the ball. Now throw on top of that 8 rushing TD's and 600 yards rushing and you have something special.

 

[G2]

You mean he hasn’t produced with Dak, who can’t throw downfield, which are the primary routes Dez runs.

Dak and Dez connected on digs and slants this year where Dak was more accurate.

And Dak is supposed to throw him open too, right? Dez was never a speedy deep threat. His skill set is limited to the jump ball and run after the catch. That's if he catches it and doesn't give a TD away for fumbling. (I know, it was only once).
Also, are there QBs who are more accurate throwing deep than they are short? Dak will come around. And maybe they both need time to adjust.

 

[Aven8]

I saw the ‘pre-draft’ room of Garrett taking with Jerry, in his ‘get consensus’ mode discussing Dak. Garrett was basically giving typical coach speech that Dak would provide a wrinkle in the offense as a read option threat in certain situations.

And then they decided after one year he could be the perfect QB in this deep-threat offense and Garrett found it as an opportunity to sabotage Romo. No pre-draft scouting report said Dak threw well in tight windows or that there weren’t questions in his anticipating routes. This whole offense is timing-based, meaning it’s driven precisely by anticipating your WRs routes.

OK, you think Dak can be a QB for you, but all of this predicates tailoring the whole offense to his skill-set, and they didn’t draft him for that. And yet here we are with the Red-Headed Clapper and the FO, Stephen included, totally destroying our SB window trying to fit a QB on an offense with personnel and play-calling that doesn’t match his skill-set ideally. We are back to, “well, we need to plug in this player” mode.. there was nothing in practice that indicated Dak was a QB in this offense and the excise was that he ‘doesn’t practice well’.

They used to talk about ‘culture’ during the Wade days as an excuse to hire Garrett, but Garrett is the biggest tool in the shed. He can’t deal with strone personslityes and he throws blame on others to hide his incompetence. Not only was Garrett’s ‘genius’ as an offensive mind exposed starting the end of 2007 when the passing offense was stalling, even this myth of him bringing accountability and a strong culture has been proven to be a joke. He was awful on pre-game planning, didn’t even have Romo in those meetings and he was awful on game-day.. now players are coming out and saying any success was basically Romo lining players up and calling plays.

Back during the Wade era, Garrett homers were quick to jump on the ‘stories’ to push an anti-Wade agenda against Garrett, but now these stories are fake and about disgruntled players. You think people are gonna talk trash about the bosses daughter while working for him?

Bingo. They are doing the same thing to Dak that they did when Weeds and Cassel had to play. He doesn't know any other way. Only Romo the magician could play in this offense and make it successful. Could you imagine had we not taken Zeke now for all you Ramsey lovers? We might not ever score again!

Art Briles installed the RPO's and Zone Read in an afternoon during TC. Very telling. I know he gets a bad rap which is understandable, but I would be opposed to having him consult again. Or someone like him.


Help wanted!!

 

[khiladi]

Dak was figured out plain and simple.. and he couldn’t adjust. And our coaches had no backup plan because of their idiotic decision to start him in the first place..

 

[birdwells1]

For some reason you just want to argue to be arguing....drop me from your list, you make absolutely no sense.

You made a statement and I asked you to prove it. That's makes all the sense in the world.

 

[G2]

You didn’t put blame on him in reality. It’s like the “I’m not racist, but..”. You added a whole list of excuses to accompany that to lower his fault in this mess.

Tell me on which planet does a WRs play have more effect on an offense than a poor QBs play, considering the QB touches the ball every snap?

You expect a WR to be mentally sharp 100% when the QB is demonstrating his mental sharpness by calling pass plays in the red zone against fronts he should be calling run in, but the latter is the coaches fault for putting him in that situation?

I'll move on from your garbage racist comment, there's not reason for whatever comparison you attempted to make.

And agin, if you have a young QB and the run game is working, don't even send in the run option. That's just dumb.

 

[khiladi]

And Dak is supposed to throw him open too, right? Dez was never a speedy deep threat. His skill set is limited to the jump ball and run after the catch. That's if he catches it and doesn't give a TD away for fumbling. (I know, it was only once).
Also, are there QBs who are more accurate throwing deep than they are short? Dak will come around. And maybe they both need time to adjust.

Actually Dak is supppse to anticipate, because it’s a timing based offense. And his best percentages are digs and slants.

And TWill go routes numbers dropped with Dak too even in 2016, meaning Dak could never make those throws which are a staple of this offense.

 

[khiladi]

Dak was on pace for 32 passing TD;s and 3600 yards passing this year. That's a very good year passing the ball. Now throw on top of that 8 rushing TD's and 600 yards rushing and you have something special.

On pace, but it didn’t happen.. meaning an imaginary world..

He was already throwing more INTs during that brief stretch which supposedly mimicked 2016 than that whole 2016 season..

 

[blueblood70]

id say it 50/50 great wos can pick up an average QB and a great qb can pick up avg wrs see all the ones Romo seemed to egt big paydays..all these posts about dak, dez, coaching etc..its all moot there weren't really anybody on this 2017 squad that didn't have an off year so trying to figure out whos fault it was is just endless griping for not..Dlaw the only one who had career year but he didn't get big numbers down the stretch after Irving went down..he got most of his numbers with Irving in there.. so when it counted even he had lower numbers..the whole team took a dip you cant single out one game, pone play, or a single player that was the cause of 2017 failure to make playoffs..so many issues with blown 2nd halves by the D without Irvng and Lee and young inhelthy group of DBs and the Oline new positions and injuries to Smith which coincided with Zeke suspension and Baily getting injured in the worst part of the schedule, 3 games in 12 days with horrible scheduling times etc.. out just simply went south from all sides..its one of those years that if you reset it again same schedule same players and have 1/3 of those issues we are easily 12-4 instead of 9-7 ..so time to let it go and IMO I'm predicting good year for 2018 but its hope..

2015 was obvious no romo and not a good backup caused that issue and 2016 shows they found affix for that..

 

[gmoney112]

Dak got ansy because the coaching staff failed to adjust his protection at LT and got him killed.

He was pretty bad, but let's not act like our WRs did him any favors.

He got destroyed in the SEC at a bad school, and still managed to get close/beat some "passes without an INT" record and be efficient.

He'll bounce back.

 

[texbumthelife]

I was just looking at wide outs stats for the 2017 season, when I say wide outs I'm not including slot wrs.

1. Jarvis Landry 112 987 SLOT
2. Fitz 109 1156 SLOT
3. Michael Thomas 104 1245 wide out Drew Brees
4. Keenan Allen 102 1393 wide out Phillip Rivers
5. Antonio Brown 101 1533 wide out Big Ben
6. DeAndre Hop 96 1378 wide out Bad QBing after Watson, outstanding stats
7. Golden Tate 92 1003 SLOT
8. Theilen 91 1276 wide out Case Keenum great year
9. Julio 88 1444 wide out Matt Ryan

11. D. Thomas 83 949 wide out Bad QBing lots of catches no yardage
16. D. Baldwin 75 991 SLOT
16. AJ Green 75 1078 wide out Better than Dez mediocre to poor QBing
16. Tyreek Hill 75 1183 SLOT

23. Mike Evans 71 1001 wide out Bad QBing, better than Dez, better than stats
24. Dez Bryant 69 838 wide out Bad QBing, from inexperienced qb.


FACTS:

1. Dez had a bad year with the drops
2. Dak is not comfortabe throwing to his outside receivers yet.
3. Dez still demands double coverage or safety help, contrary to what some say on this site.
4. Dez had 1 fumble last year. (contrary to the "always fumbling crowd").
5. Dak had trouble reading defenses last year. i.e. wr settling in a zone while he's throwing it like wr is in man .

OPINION:

4. The top wide outs on this list all have good to great qb play, with exception of Hopkins (bad), AJ, and Evans (mediocre) whom everyone agrees are better than Dez but their QB play is also better or at least equal to Dak.
5. If the QB play is going to be like it was this year then we can't pay Dez 16mil because he's not going to be worth it. Does that say more about Dez or Dak though?
6. The coaching staff is the biggest culprit in all this because they didn't have a plan B for Dak, they just came back and tried to do what they did last year and when defenses took away what he likes to do, JG and staff had no answers.
7. T.O. said it, Bryce Butler said it, Dez said it, this offense does not put it's player in a position to succeed. Look at the Patriots and Eagles last weekend. Pick pays pick plays pick plays, crossing routes their schemes won those games our scheme looses games.

NEXT SEASON:

We need new a scheme or new plays, pick routes, rub routes, crossing routes and attempt to attack deep.

Dez needs to be focused (if he's still here).

Dak doesn't need to go back to his rookie year form, he needs to be better. That rookie year is gone, he's not going to sneak up on anyone, he's going to have to put on his big boy pants and throw into NFL windows.

Im confused. First you say your not listing slot guys, then you label guys as slot. Also, every one of the guys you listed as slot receivers spend a considerable amount of time outside too.

 

[HungryLion]

Actually Dak is supppse to anticipate, because it’s a timing based offense. And his best percentages are digs and slants.

And TWill go routes numbers dropped with Dak too even in 2016, meaning Dak could never make those throws which are a staple of this offense.

Go routes are a staple of the offense, yet we have no receivers with deep speed besides Brice Butler who I like but is inconsistent.

Pretty telling really.

And that’s not a knock on Dez mind you. The truth is neither Dak nor Dez are going to reach their true potential with Jason Garrett as the coach and having coaches who are unable to scheme and adjust to put their players in the best position possible.

Some fans want Dez gone.
Some fans want Dak gone.

I know who needs to go first. And it isn’t either one of them IMO.

 

[birdwells1]

Too many different variables....

• Offensive scheme
• OC
• Revenge motivation against the Cowboys after finally receiving a wake up call...

Just to name a few.

You can keep your signature bet. I like my signature and I no longer want to see Dez's antics in Big D.

That's what I thought, no guts but lots of excuses you sound a lot like JG.

 

[khiladi]

Dak didn’t beat anybody of note in his last year of college and was absolutely awful against SEC teams. His stats against garbage blurred his numbers and games against SEC teams where he pretty much got dominated, he scored in garbage time to pad stats..

 

[gmoney112]

Dak didn’t beat anybody of note in his last year of college and was absolutely awful against SEC teams.

Yes, we've all seen your "analysis".

 

[birdwells1]

Dak was on pace for 32 passing TD;s and 3600 yards passing this year. That's a very good year passing the ball. Now throw on top of that 8 rushing TD's and 600 yards rushing and you have something special.

Was on pace, what he got hurt or something?

 

[Aviano90]

It's like when Romo made Laurent Robinson look good in this league. Yes, QBs make the WRs. Ball has to get there and be accurate.

Agree. Makes you wonder why you need to have a WR soaking up $16.5 million in cap space when a QB can make a Laurent Robinson look good and an elite WR like Dez can look like crap with Dak. The QB matters, not the receiver. Why do we want to keep Dez?

 

[khiladi]

I bet you Stephen doesn’t want to pay anybody because he has to try and recoup money he had to pay Romo last year for not playing.

Garrett cost Jerry millions once again..

 

[kevm3]

It's called scheme and having a coaching staff that makes adjustments. We have one of the slowest adjusting offenses in the league. Foles was throwing to open receivers all night.