Can We Discuss The Job Jason Has Done With This Team

[waving monkey]

hold a grudge then that always makes a person happy

 

[Beast_from_East]

hold a grudge then that always makes a person happy

Who is holding a grudge?

Jerry and Stephen are the guys that have said they don't want to get rid of Garrett because they don't want another team to benefit from the growing pains we had to go through while Garrett was learning on the job.

That is not anything to be happy or sad about...................that is just Jerry and Stephen being totally honest............they are saying, yes, Garrett botched some games while he was learning but he is a much better coach today for those experiences and if we fire Garrett and another team hires him, they are going to be hiring the experienced Garrett that has learned from the mistakes, not the OJT Garrett that we got starting out.

Ergo, that team would get the benefit of the mistakes made on our dime......................that came directly out of the mouths of both Jerry and Stephen, nobody is disputing these quotes..............not sure how that translates to a grudge?

 

[waving monkey]

Garrett is a hell of a man and is growing into a hell of a coach.
We have gotten of the coach merry go round and thats a blessing.
yes Garrett botched some games and he is demonstrating his learning
from his mistakes.You have a problem with it, OK! I dont care Happy Days ahead

 

[Idgit]

I think you hit on the main point of contention with Garrett...............OJT....................a large segment of the fanbase believed that you don't train a head coach on the job, you hire a head coach who is ready to hit the ground running day one.

Like you just said, Garrett was learning how to be a head coach while playing actual games and he messed up and made mistakes, I don't think anybody can sit here today and say Garrett did not make some crucial game management mistakes that directly contributed to loses.

Both Jerry and Stephen have even alluded to that saying that the "growing pains" with Garrett and the "mistakes" he made is a significant reason they do not want to get rid of him. They don't want another team to get the benefit of the mistakes Garrett learned from.

So yes, 4 years into Garrett's training its finally starting to pay off, but the fact still remains that the mistakes he made first starting out contributed to losses and when we have missed the playoffs by one game for three consecutive years, Garrett shoulders a lot of the blame for that just like he should be praised for a successful season this year.

The same is true for every rookie head coach in the history of the league. It's as Stephen indicated earlier this week. Jason Garrett was qualified for the job when they hired him, and he's gotten better. To the point where he's getting some consideration in informal Coach of the Year conversations. That's pretty cool.

People like to blame coaches when teams aren't very good. And praise them when they are good. The reality is, some of the best jobs coaching happen on teams that don't necessarily have the best records. Talent still wins out in this league.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The same is true for every rookie head coach in the history of the league. It's as Stephen indicated earlier this week. Jason Garrett was qualified for the job when they hired him, and he's gotten better. To the point where he's getting some consideration in informal Coach of the Year conversations. That's pretty cool.

People like to blame coaches when teams aren't very good. And praise them when they are good. The reality is, some of the best jobs coaching happen on teams that don't necessarily have the best records. Talent still wins out in this league.

If we win the division and at least one playoff game, I could see Garrett getting votes for coach of the year.

 

[CCBoy]

Jason Garrett's team does not give up, despite having growing problems.

In the month of December, the Cowboys are 2-0. And they should end up 4-0. That's tough as well.

 

[visionary]

Well that seems completely arbitrary.

So right in your wheelhouse, eh?

 

[Alexander]

I like the fact penalties are down big time.

That is one thing that sticks out to me. It's tangible.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Wait, we're supposed to praise the coach when his returner sees they messed up and left a guy uncovered?

Or for professional football players knowing to recover the loose kickoff?

Yep. Its remarkable. None of this could be expected from any other NFL HC's.

 

[CCBoy]

Yep. Its remarkable. None of this could be expected from any other NFL HC's.

Not an argument, actually. Dallas is up towards the very top of the NFC...and that part can't be dished about.

 

[Gaede]

I'll give Garrett credit for a good season. If we miss the playoffs, I'll be pissed, but I never expected us to even get to .500 this year. And after three years of mediocrity, 10 wins (at a minimum) is a whole lot better than what we had.

I'd extend him at this point, even without the playoffs. Can't get rid of a coach after the results we've gotten this year. We've fixed most of the things we all used to complain about and are a very solid team--even with a porous defense. Gotta credit the HC for that. Cause we know for damn sure the general manager doesn't know what he's doing.

The real question is what we do at DC. I can definitely see Marinelli leaving. Eberflus is the popular option.

 

[Setackin]

We all thought Wade's process was working in 2007. I would like to see more. Extend him and see what happens. Let's keep in mind that other coaches have produced better results in a shorter time period, with less talented teams. Let's also remember he has been here since 2007.

Great points, I'm not jumping on his bandwagon quite yet. Just saying given the youth, mind set, and philosophy of the team I like where it's going... Im extremely interested to see how garrett plans on addressing QBs in the off season.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not an argument, actually. Dallas is up towards the very top of the NFC...and that part can't be dished about.

Hey CC, hope all is well with you these days.

Red has done a good job this year no doubt. But I think there are some so desperate to defend or praise him after all the criticism the past few years that they look for, or want to praise him for things that would be expected of any coach in the NFL. Its kinda like praising an adult for wiping himself before getting up from the throne. If a 4 yr old is praised for it its understandable. Praising an adult is not necessary.

 

[CCBoy]

Hey CC, hope all is well with you these days.

Red has done a good job this year no doubt. But I think there are some so desperate to defend or praise him after all the criticism the past few years that they look for, or want to praise him for things that would be expected of any coach in the NFL. Its kinda like praising an adult for wiping himself before getting up from the throne. If a 4 yr old is praised for it its understandable. Praising an adult is not necessary.

And wishing you Holiday Greetings as well...

but hold on, is the 'throne' furnished with Playboys or not?

As to Garrett deserving respect, the media has now swung in favor of the Cowboys, and without reservations.

 

[MaineBoy]

The same is true for every rookie head coach in the history of the league. It's as Stephen indicated earlier this week. Jason Garrett was qualified for the job when they hired him, and he's gotten better.

"Jason Garrett was qualified for the job when they hired him". I think we need to back the truck up right here. Garrett may just becoming qualified now - maybe - but not then (even if Stephen says it). Garrett had done nothing but be a QB coach in Miami - and I think that was only for 2 years. Garrett's only qualification was that Jerry was comfortable with him. Period. And other than his first year, his run as an Offensive Coordinator was not that great either. As others have pointed out, he made mistakes that cost us games - and those games cost us trips to the playoffs. Just like this years loss to Washington might cost us the playoffs - that game was a coaching debacle; particularly the complete failure to handle the blitz - which should be covered in coaching 101. Garrett has been learning on the job because he didn't have the experience or ability when they hired him. I do like some of the things he has done - like focusing on the offensive line, cutting down penalties, making players compete. But when you need a coach for the Dallas Cowboys, you don't go to the minor leagues and give the job to an apprentice. Garrett does some good leadership things but he is still a work in progress. However there were - and are - better coaches than he is now. And if we had had any of those coaches we would probably have made the playoffs during a few of those 3 years.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

And wishing you Holiday Greetings as well...

but hold on, is the 'throne' furnished with Playboys or not?

As to Garrett deserving respect, the media has now swung in favor of the Cowboys, and without reservations.

The mediots may be at a real loss because even with their agenda its hard to find anything to criticize Red for these days. They have no choice but to give credit where credit is due.

 

[CCBoy]

The mediots may be at a real loss because even with their agenda its hard to find anything to criticize Red for these days. They have no choice but to give credit where credit is due.

Unless the sources are the pot stirrers on NFL Channel...

 

[gmoney112]

Not just with the team, but with the cap.

I don't believe that Jerry & Co. all of a sudden changed their stripes as soon as Jason was hired. The cap was a total disaster, and this offseason we can re-sign Dez and still add some real talent for the first time in years thanks to some cheap offseasons in the recent past.

I've read stories of Jason attending the "analytics" conferences, which basically applies the Moneyball approach to football. That's pretty cool. I really believe his approach the last few offseasons, in an effort to save our cap, was an analytical-type maneuver to upgrade production/reduce impact of older salary cap heavy vets, at the lowest possible expense and who could play in our scheme. Example, Mincey signing with departure of Ware. I don't think anyone really wants Mincey starting if they're trying to field a top defense, but when you have to work with scraps I'd say he's had a lot of production from his contract. He has one less sack than Ware did last season at 1/6 the cost. He's never going to be mistaken for a HoF but as a stopgap, he's serving his purpose pretty well. I also really liked the Durant signing too.

It's just funny to me the people that will hate on Jason while at the same time say Chip Kelly is doing a fantastic job in Philly. "Chip Kelly is legit", and then when asked about Jason, "he needs to be fired." Haha, okay.

It's also fairly apparent some here wouldn't be happy with a Landy/Johnson/Belichek mutated ******* child as HC. There is no coach in the history of the NFL that has not lost a game they should have won, or made mistakes in playcalling/game management/etc. that cost their team a chance to win. Not one. Some point to the Commanders loss as some kind of defense that Jason is a poor coach. Games like that happen to every coach, every year. If you're expecting perfection from your coach you're going to be incredibly disappointed in anyone that leads the team because they're all human, not one is perfect and there won't ever be one that is. I guess some would rather be nonsensical than admit they may have been incorrect, which I don't really care, but they're going to miss out on enjoying a season where we're playing some damn good football. Their loss.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Unless the sources are the pot stirrers on NFL Channel...

Michael Irvin is there to keep all the Cowboy bashers in check. He always makes Marshall Faulk look like an idiot. Or should I say, a bigger idiot?

 

[Doomsday101]

In my view Garrett has done a very good job putting this team together and sitting at 10-4 while going 7-0 on the road vs teams like the Seahawks and Eagles, winning programs so all this crap of Dallas can only beat bad teams is no longer the truth. There is clearly more that needs to be done especially on defense but given the weakness we have to overcome and still being 10-4 and in 1st place I would say that Garrett has done a great job.