Can We Discuss The Job Jason Has Done With This Team

[Idgit]

I loved the brotherhood mentality I got from the video. How they had those chants. Calling each others names. Letting out those yells and hollering back. I watched it over and over.

It's pretty great. You can see how excited every one of those guys is. Players and coaches, alike.

 

[khiladi]

More imaginary stories about what Garrett has done for this organization... Yeah! Just last year, all his supporters were telling us how Romo keeps running audibling out of his run plays, the year before that, Dez wasn't able to run routes, and every year for the last three years how Jerry kept interfering with his process. Now, suddenly the process has always been in effect!

 

[khiladi]

Got to love how, if Romo is injured, this team gets all sorts of excuses, but when Chip Kelly has Nick Foles or Mark Sanchez starting, while playing against a Romo who essentially has taken over Garrett's input in the offense, along with Linehand because Garrett sucked at it, Garrett is a much better coach...

 

[khiladi]

I mean we've got words from the owners mouth himself that Jason Garrett was interfering with the offense last year, despite that not being the plan. And it wasn't fair to Callahan. He essentially said he was the play-caller, which includes Philadelphia when Orton was chucking the ball all over the place, and the team refused to run the ball. We also had stories about Garrett rifting with Callahan and Callahan is the guy that built the OL in reality and it's his running game. And Callahan was angry, from the mouth of Stephen Jones himself, when Dallas didn't let him interview for OC positions with the Ravens and Browns, meaning he wanted to leave.

Then Jerry says Garrett interfering in the offense won't be happening this year, because they don't need his input on offense. Jerry has essentially been saying for the last two years that Romo will not be more involved in the offense and that is what he wants. He has gushed about Linehan-Romo relationship and flat-out said that while they retain the same terminology between Garrett and Linehan, what they are going to be doing is totally different as is evidenced by what happened in Detroit. Linehan will cater this offense to the talents of the players, meaning the play-calling of Garrett was NEVER tailored to the skill-sets. And Jerry wanted Garrett to walk around on the defensive side of the ball.

Garrett was hired for his allegedly brilliant mind in offense, and now, he's been relegated to walk-around clapping and spitting in that regard. You don't even see him near Linehan and Romo throughout the game, except for very random moments. But yeah, let the tales and spin continue...

 

[cml750]

I think you hit on the main point of contention with Garrett...............OJT....................a large segment of the fanbase believed that you don't train a head coach on the job, you hire a head coach who is ready to hit the ground running day one.

Like you just said, Garrett was learning how to be a head coach while playing actual games and he messed up and made mistakes, I don't think anybody can sit here today and say Garrett did not make some crucial game management mistakes that directly contributed to loses.

Both Jerry and Stephen have even alluded to that saying that the "growing pains" with Garrett and the "mistakes" he made is a significant reason they do not want to get rid of him. They don't want another team to get the benefit of the mistakes Garrett learned from.

So yes, 4 years into Garrett's training its finally starting to pay off, but the fact still remains that the mistakes he made first starting out contributed to losses and when we have missed the playoffs by one game for three consecutive years, Garrett shoulders a lot of the blame for that just like he should be praised for a successful season this year.

Great post Beast!!! Agree 100%.

 

[Doomsday101]

I mean we've got words from the owners mouth himself that Jason Garrett was interfering with the offense last year, despite that not being the plan. And it wasn't fair to Callahan. He essentially said he was the play-caller, which includes Philadelphia when Orton was chucking the ball all over the place, and the team refused to run the ball. We also had stories about Garrett rifting with Callahan and Callahan is the guy that built the OL in reality and it's his running game. And Callahan was angry, from the mouth of Stephen Jones himself, when Dallas didn't let him interview for OC positions with the Ravens and Browns, meaning he wanted to leave.

Then Jerry says that it won't be happening this year, because they don't need his input on offense. Jerry has essentially been saying for the last two years that Romo will not be more involved in the offense and that is what he wants. He has gushed about Linehan-Romo relationship and flat-out said that while they retain the same terminology between Garrett and Linehan, what they are going to be doing is totally different as is evidenced by what happened in Detroit. Linehan will cater this offense to the talents of the players, meaning the play-calling of Garrett was NEVER tailored to the skill-sets. And Jerry wanted Garrett to walk around on the defensive side of the ball.

But yeah, let the tales and spin continue...

yes we know Garrett has nothing to do with any of this according to you. Dallas could win the SB and all we will get is how Garrett has nothing to do with it.

 

[khiladi]

What has Garret learned on the job, I'd like to know, considering he got demoted from play-calling, his actual 'brilliance'? To challenge clear fumbles? To give the same repetitive win speech that starts with "Gather round guys" and then throw in a couple of "you guys fought" speeches. I'm sure even I could do that with four-years on the job training...

The ironic thing is all the supporters for the last three years with Garrett never said he was 'learning' on the job. They were blaming Romo, Jerry, Dez and every other excuse possible, before even blaming Garrett. Last year it was the defense and this year, it was their fall back as well. But when they went 4-3, they were gushing about the 'connection' Garrett had to Kiffen, and Kiffen absolutely sucked here. Now, the crickets are chirping on that one..

 

[Doomsday101]

What has Garret learned on the job, I'd like to know, considering he got demoted from play-calling, his actual 'brilliance'? To challenge clear fumbles? To give the same repetitive win speech that starts with "Gather round guys" and then throw in a couple of "you guys fought" speeches. I'm sure even I could do that with four-years on the job training...

The ironic thing is all the supporters for the last three years with Garrett never said he was 'learning' on the job. They were blaming Romo, Jerry, Dez and every other excuse possible, before even blaming Garrett.

He is the HC you go on about playcalling yet the job of HC is not just play calling. He has his team at 10 and 4 he deserves credit for having his team ready and playing good ball. But hell you will not give him anything so why bother right. No matter what Dallas does in your eyes he deserves no credit we get it.

 

[TheCount]

What I've always thought about Jason is that he's a great leader with the right approach, but not a big x's and o's guy. He simply didn't/doesn't have the experience or the savvy required in that department - not yet anyway, although he may be getting better.

The best thing we could do was surround him with a great, experienced staff and let him oversee things. Let him lead and set the general direction, but don't put him in a position where he has to make all the calls on Sunday. That's the smartest move Jerry has taken with Garrett.

The 2nd smartest thing Jerry has done while Garrett's been here is to fix the damn offensive line.

 

[cml750]

"Jason Garrett was qualified for the job when they hired him". I think we need to back the truck up right here. Garrett may just becoming qualified now - maybe - but not then (even if Stephen says it). Garrett had done nothing but be a QB coach in Miami - and I think that was only for 2 years. Garrett's only qualification was that Jerry was comfortable with him. Period. And other than his first year, his run as an Offensive Coordinator was not that great either. As others have pointed out, he made mistakes that cost us games - and those games cost us trips to the playoffs. Just like this years loss to Washington might cost us the playoffs - that game was a coaching debacle; particularly the complete failure to handle the blitz - which should be covered in coaching 101. Garrett has been learning on the job because he didn't have the experience or ability when they hired him. I do like some of the things he has done - like focusing on the offensive line, cutting down penalties, making players compete. But when you need a coach for the Dallas Cowboys, you don't go to the minor leagues and give the job to an apprentice. Garrett does some good leadership things but he is still a work in progress. However there were - and are - better coaches than he is now. And if we had had any of those coaches we would probably have made the playoffs during a few of those 3 years.

Excellent post!!!!

 

[khiladi]

He is the HC you go on about playcalling yet the job of HC is not just play calling. He has his team at 10 and 4 he deserves credit for having his team ready and playing good ball. But hell you will not give him anything so why bother right. No matter what Dallas does in your eyes he deserves no credit we get it.

Do you understand the implication?

He WAS the play-caller and got DEMOTED. That is NOT process. That means his play-calling was partly responsible for their constant failures on offense for the LAST 8 years plus. If you say Garrett was training, that doesn't just include his stint as a HC, it includes his STINT with Wade, as the PLAY CALLER on this offense, when TO and every other WR was calling it out and defenses were saying it sucked. So we threw away good years of Romo for this clown, while the owner and his son are now clearly admitting they had to train him.

And even now, they've surrounded him with a bunch of experienced play-callers. If Jason Garrett didn't have such close ties to Jerry Jones, he would have been fired ages ago. You can't say Jerry is loyal and keeps people that he loves very close, often times hurting the team, and suddenly deny that doesn't happen with respect to Garrett.

 

[khiladi]

Just wait till Romo goes bye-bye and the 'process' has to start once again.. Weeden looked mighty impressive with the best OL in the league...

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you understand the implication?

He WAS the play-caller and got DEMOTED. That is NOT process. That means his play-calling was partly responsible for their constant failures on offense for the LAST 8 years plus. If you say Garrett was training, that doesn't just include his stint as a HC, it includes his STINT with Wade, as the PLAY CALLER on this offense, when TO and every other WR was calling it out and defenses were saying it sucked. So we threw away good years of Romo for this clown, while the owner and his son are not clearly admitting they had to train him.

You do know he is the HC was he demoted as HC? Ummm No he is responsible for this team his OC and DC each have a job but that job is not running the entire team. Not all HC are play callers and it was Jimmy who had said Garrett could be a very good HC but did not think wearing both hats of HC\OC was a good ideal and Jimmy was right. As HC though focused soley on having his team ready he has done the job and most who cover the NFL do get that. You don't but then your agenda of bad mouthing Garrett is more important to you. Say what you will I really do not care you are in a small minority of agenda driven fans.

 

[khiladi]

And the OL was fixed when CALLAHAN was here. The OL scheme that Garrett brought in here was a power-blocking scheme, led by Houck who Garrett also coached with in Miami. That is all Garrett ever knew and that is what they were drafting for previously during those years. This zone-blocking scheme and running game is Callahan's. Further, Frederik is a Wisconsin guy, of which Callahan has deep ties to and the latter worked him out and pushed for him, while Tom and the drafting board were expecting Floyd, but Jerry over-ruled at the last minute.

And Callahan, based on whatever happened last year, doesn't want to be here anymore. This team REFUSED to even let Callahan speak to other organizations for a reason, even if his stint as a play-caller in Garrett's offense and meddling was unsuccessful.

Like I said, let's just cut all the fantasy stories about Garrett.

 

[khiladi]

You do know he is the HC was he demoted as HC? Ummm No he is responsible for this team his OC and DC each have a job but that job is not running the entire team. Not all HC are play callers and it was Jimmy who had said Garrett could be a very good HC but did not think wearing both hats of HC\OC was a good ideal and Jimmy was right. As HC though focused soley on having his team ready he has done the job and most who cover the NFL do get that. You don't but then your agenda of bad mouthing Garrett is more important to you. Say what you will I really do not care you are in a small minority of agenda driven fans.

So what? He got demoted as a play-caller against his will, as even Jerry Jones said.

 

[Ken]

he sucks whether or not we stumble into the playoffs

So 10-4 is now considered stumbling?

May want to consider finding a new team....i will warn you....there are only a few with a better record than that....

 

[Doomsday101]

So what? He got demoted as a play-caller against his will, as even Jerry Jones said.

He and Jerry talked about it I don't see any animosity I see 2 men working together for the betterment of the team. I see Garrett getting an OC he knows and fully trust and I see him with a team who is 10-4 in 1st place despite the fact most felt they had no chance and yet people like you continue to act as if Garrett has nothing to do with this. so be it

 

[Hoofbite]

He's not costing his team games, which is a step in the right direction.

 

[khiladi]

He's not costing his team games, which is a step in the right direction.

Thank our lucky stars, he hasn't been in that position to have to make such a decision...

 

[romothesavior]

I'll give credit where it's due. The team clearly likes him and he's got them playing disciplined and as a cohesive unit. But on gameday, I'm reminded of the Office Space quote: "So Jason, tell me... what exactly do you do here?

He's made huge game management mistakes that have cost us victories, he's had many of his duties stripped, he's led us to three straight 8-8 seasons, and hasn't won a playoff game yet. So lets put away the annointing oil after a solid start to this season.