CBS Sportsline: Goodell's no lawyer... so why take law in his own hands?

[Doomsday101]

The one thing that I was suprised by is the reaction of many of the players who went to Goodell about cleaning the league up. I think many players are tired of being lumped into the garbage with some of these thugs who are in the league. I do think that most players are good people and I love the fact that they want change.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The one thing that I was suprised by is the reaction of many of the players who went to Goodell about cleaning the league up. I think many players are tired of being lumped into the garbage with some of these thugs who are in the league. I do think that most players are good people and I love the fact that they want change.

Yep. There are guys that work hard and do the right thing but are lumped in with punks, thugs and roid users.

Plus the nature of the media is always to report the negative things vs the good things.

So the guy that does everything by the book and does his best to help out others might get a small blurb but the guys that seem to go out of their way to make arses of themselves or just refuse to act mature get all the press.

 

[burmafrd]

Upshaw has been wrong before about what most of the players have wanted. No suprise that he misread it again. As regards Goodell- he does not need to be a lawyer- the NFL has got a whole closet full of expensive suits.
Lawyers is not something they are short on. Just goes to show how stupid the article author is- but then he is a true mediot.

 

[AdamJT13]

i dont see how you come to that conclusion. did you even read the article?

Yeah, and I read where he was "astounded" that the commissioner could use language that comes straight from a collectively bargained policy.

He is fully cognizant of the powers that these changes grant to the commisioner. His issue is the commisioner using power which he doesnt deny the CBA grants him to pass down judgement before due process takes place.

The NFL's conduct policy doesn't require someone to be found guilty of a crime -- or even to be charged with one -- to be punished. Some conduct is prohibited despite not being illegal. Other actions that aren't a crime can get you punished by the NFL. For example, no player will ever be convicted in a court of law of failing to tell his employer that he was charged with a crime, but that's a violation of the NFL's conduct policy and is subject to punishment by the commissioner. In other words, the commissioner doesn't need the judicial system to tell him when it's OK to punish someone. The CBA does that for him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Upshaw has been wrong before about what most of the players have wanted. No suprise that he misread it again. As regards Goodell- he does not need to be a lawyer- the NFL has got a whole closet full of expensive suits.
Lawyers is not something they are short on. Just goes to show how stupid the article author is- but then he is a true mediot.

To be fair to Upshaw and the lawyers. They are just doing their jobs.

Not saying I agree with them but they are just doing their jobs.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have yet to meet a lawyer who did not think he had a good case. For the lawyer win or lose he gets his. :laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have yet to meet a lawyer who did not think he had a good case. For the lawyer win or lose he gets his. :laugh2:

Yep and they are just doing their jobs. You know there are many lawyers out there that probably can not stand their clients, think they are guilty without a doubt, but still do their jobs. And whether we like it or not every person is allowed, and has the right to, have a lawyer in a criminal or civil situation.

 

[carphalen5150]

Goodell is doing a great job. Honestly, I bet the NFLPA is not all that thrilled about submitting an appeal on Pacman's behalf. As has been said though, they are doing their job.

While I can see the Glenn scenario above as a viable gripe, it is nothing like Pacman and Henry.

 

[burmafrd]

ITS NOT JUST THE ACCUSATION. Hopefully people get that.
Its the conduct of the player over all. Terry Glenn has had one incident in the 3 years he has been with the Boys. There is no pattern of conduct in the last 3 years that indicates a problem. Now look at Vick and Pacman and the last three years.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep and they are just doing their jobs. You know there are many lawyers out there that probably can not stand their clients, think they are guilty without a doubt, but still do their jobs. And whether we like it or not every person is allowed, and has the right to, have a lawyer in a criminal or civil situation.

I agree. I'm just saying a lawyer will argue any case. You could take Pacman lawyer and have him change sides and represent the NFL and I'm sure he could come up with an argument in favor of the NFL. It is what they do

 

[dallasfaniac]

Goodell has been a part of the NFL since 1982, working closely with both Rozelle and Tagliabue. He was a prime figure in the negotiations of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and as COO oversaw the leagues business operations. I would think he knows a little about the affect the thugs have on the league and what is within his powers. If not I'm sure his lawyer brother would let him know.

 

[sacase]

ok since many of you like to cite the CBA, please post the section you think applies to Pac Man

 

[dogunwo]

I have no problem with the NFL suspending players for personal conduct reasons. What I think is ridiculous is the vagueness in Pacman's suspension. Ok he is suspended for a year, but if he re-applies he might can be re-instated after ten games. No specific things he needs to do, he just could possibly be re-instated. Further, he isnt necessarily re-instated after his one year. Pending certain cases with no conviction yet, he may be out longer. So if a conviction doesn't matter, why should further discipline be a possibility. Just suspend him for a year and be done with it. Hell, suspend him for two years. But you have already decided that the culmination of his transgressions results in a one year suspension, so that should be it. This non-sense about further action for the same stuff is ridiculous IMO.

 

[dallasfaniac]

ok since many of you like to cite the CBA, please post the section you think applies to Pac Man

Probably Article XI Commissioner Discipline

'...taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football...'

I'm sure there is more, but that was just a quick search. How about you show me where it says otherwise.

 

[sacase]

Probably Article XI Commissioner Discipline

'...taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football...'

I'm sure there is more, but that was just a quick search. How about you show me where it says otherwise.

Isn't there something in there about time limits? That he has to be prompt, not wait and save things up?

 

[joseephuss]

Isn't there something in there about time limits? That he has to be prompt, not wait and save things up?

Two reasons why Pacman was suspended were the two cases against him that he failed to report to the NFL. The news on those came out within a few weeks of the suspension being handed down.

The appeal by the NFLPA is part of this whole process. Everyone knew an appeal was coming. The appeal and any subsequent ruling will lead to new precedents being set. That is how the system works. Most players in the future will have it kind of easy. Their defense for a single incident will be, "I screwed up, but at least I'm not like Pacman or Henry."

 

[dallasfaniac]

Isn't there something in there about time limits? That he has to be prompt, not wait and save things up?

It says 'promptly send written notice of his actions', but nothing about how soon he must decide upon his action. The player and NFLPA has 20 days within receiving the written notification to appeal. I will look further, but it's pointless. Goodell himself worked on the latest ammendments to the CBA so I would think he knows what is within his rights since he wrote them and the players association signed off.

 

[hank2k]

I think this sums it up perfectly.

This is a slippery slope Goodell is traveling down.

Week 10. Terry Glenn gets arrested for domestic violence. Based on his past history of trouble (specifically with the Patriots), Goodell decides after a couple of weeks, to hand out a 4 game suspension. The 'Boys record sits at 8-4 at the time of the suspension.

Everyone applauds the decision, "Get those thugs off our team" they yell.

Without Glenn, the Cowboys offense struggles, they go 1-3 the last 4 games of the season to finish at 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

After week 17, Glenn is completely exonerated. His spouse is charged with filing a false police report. Glenn did not do the crime he was accused of.

Think anyone here will ever agree with Goodell's decision?

Getting suspended for missing practice is one thing... getting suspended for a simple accusation is another.

Why is no one replying to the merits of this post ???. Because you

 

[carphalen5150]

ok since many of you like to cite the CBA, please post the section you think applies to Pac Man

They don't have a section that covers where your entourage shoots 3 people and one critically. I wish they did, then no one would have a gripe over a dirtbag like Pacman.

 

[carphalen5150]

Why is no one replying to the merits of this post ???. Because you

Because this is not realistic. He would no be suspened immediately. It took Pacman and Henry a long time to get their supsensions handed down. Also, there is plenty of merit to the "allegations" brought up against Jones and Henry.