CBS Sportsline - Overrated & Underrated players from each team

[Alexander]

IMO the worst decision was going all-or-nothing for the ball. He should have tried the textbook corner technique where you play the ball with your lead arm and simultaneously grab the WR with your off arm. In that situation you can still knock the ball away, but even if you whiff, you can tackle the WR.

He'd even have been better off just letting Moss catch the thing and then tackling him, because the Skins still had 40 or so yards to go, and needed a TD to beat us with less than two minutes left. What Glenn did was the worst thing he could have done in that situation.

I would have taken a simple flagrant pass interference.

 

[dboyz]

Actually, Coach Parcells is harder on "his guys" because he knows they can take what he dishes out.

At any rate, you have no choice but to believe it was Glenn's man. No matter what, there is no excuse for giving up what we did on the play. Whether Glenn mistimed his jump (which he did on several other occasions throughout the year) or Williams took a bad angle, went too shallow etc., it was a terrible series of decisions by two players who should know better.

I partially agree, but I really have to pin the majority of the blame on the coaching staff for putting us in the position of being beat for a 70 yard touchdown. Playing quarters defense there was a mistake. It's one thing to allow them to plod the ball down the field, it's another to give them a chance to get 70 yards in one shot.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I would have taken a simple flagrant pass interference.

That would've worked, too.

 

[the_h0wey]

It honestly baffles me how people can say that Roy Williams is so poor in coverage... He is a strong safety he doesn't have to a ballhawk. That is what your free safety is suppose to be. He isn't the greatest SS in the league at coverage, but he is at least average. With the way he hits and the presence he brings to the field he does not have to be amazing in coverage. The reason our secondary struggled at times last year was because Roy was forced to help out Davis so much, not because he wasn't doing his own job...

 

[Alexander]

I partially agree, but I really have to pin the majority of the blame on the coaching staff for putting us in the position of being beat for a 70 yard touchdown. Playing quarters defense there was a mistake. It's one thing to allow them to plod the ball down the field, it's another to give them a chance to get 70 yards in one shot.

I completely agree. That rates right up there with the greatest team collapses in club history. Everyone on the field and sidelines failed during that timespan.

 

[ringmaster]

You know whats overrated? The overrating of Roy Williams, everyone and their mother does it now. Apparently now he's no more than an in the box scrub. He's not a top-tier safety? That's laughable.

They will always remember that Commanders debacle from last season where Moss, scored two long TDs involving him, and Glenn.

Champ Bailey, was burned numerous times last season and they still say he's the league's best DB.

Every DB, or Safety lets up TD passes but to say Williams, is overrated when anyone on any given Sunday, or Monday can give up a TD.:bang2:

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Someone get Adam on the phone so he bust out with the Roy Williams stat almanac from last year.

 

[ringmaster]

Before I say anything, I think Roy is a very good SS - one of the best at his position. I don't think Roy would be a good FS, though.

Without a doubt - if Roy didn't have a star on his helmet, he would not be as hyped as he is.

Sean Taylor, will get his due like when he was a Hurricane, I enjoyed watching him play especially as a senior.

It's the mediots who overrate any player.

 

[ringmaster]

I find it ridiculous that 3 plays have turned Roy Williams into the league's most overrated player. Yeah let's forget the other 500 plays where he was great and just focus on 2 deep balls to Santana Moss and 1 missed tackle on Tony Gonzalez. I mean, if he can't stop those guys he is clearly terrible.

For crying out loud, Sean Taylor got burned by Terry Glenn (in Skins fans' minds a far inferior receiver to Moss) in the SAME GAME as Moss beat Roy. But he's revolutionizing the safety position and Roy sucks in coverage. Whatever, happy 300 for me I guess.

Actually both Glenn, and Moss are the same type of reciever both are burners.

 

[apickmans]

Here is, however, Sean Taylor clearly getting beat by both Glenn and Crayton:

And here is a blown assingment by Taylor in the biggest game of his life, allowing Hasslebeck to score:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcUowHhRKeg&search=Sean%20taylor

Here is another clip from the same game in which Taylor plays for the big hit instead of preventing the catch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4zBxcCvUlQ&search=Sean%20taylor

And of course, the infamous video of Greg Jones trucking Sean Taylor in college:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k&search=Sean%20taylor

HH cmon man, I mean this post is bad even for you though. I can just as easily find pics of moss' plays with glenn and roy in them. As for the crayton pic, what can I say Taylor should of stuck with him and not keyshawn.

When I saw the first seattle clip i had to laugh. I mean do you honestly think taylor blew in assignment on that play. I thought to myself "HH isnt that dumb". This blown defensive play is less of Taylor's fault than it is #92 Evans' and #24 Springs' fault. First of all, the end, Evans, completely loses contain, not to mention gets his *** kicked. Secondly, looks to me as if the corner, Springs, has contain on QB boot. Obviously, he's too consumed with covering his receiver to realize whats really going on and gets beat outside. Yeah, Sean Taylor could've made the play (if you wanted him to stop covering the TE, but then Hasslebeck would of just thrown it to him just as soon as he would), but he wasn't the one who blew that play.

As for the 2nd seattle clip. What point are you trying to make by showing that? Ive seen Roy lay the wood to some receivers and they still hold on to the ball. I guess youre just trying to make sean taylor seem like a puss since he got hurt laying that hit. Oh well, stingers do happen in football ya know.

And then you resort to showing a college football clip. I'm pretty sure Greg Jones running in a straight line pretty much going full speed will run over any safety, including your precious Roy williams.

 

[Vintage]

Just bring up the fact that Chris Brown stiff armed Roy Williams into the ground, apickmans.

Don't use that [insert synonym for cat] [butt] "well, if Williams got hit by Jones...." crap. Go for the Gold! Chris Brown!

 

[ringmaster]

Sean Taylor goes to bed at night praying to become as good as Roy Williams is.

And what is this about Roy's tackling ability? The guy misses a tackle every once in a while, but in general he is one of the most sure tacklers on the team.

Any aggressive tackler, like Williams, is prone to miss a takle everynow and then.

Something else people also remember in the preseason game against Tennessee, when Chris Brown, stiffed him to the ground but that doesn't still overrate him but everybody is prone to a stiff arm also.

 

[ringmaster]

Oh, and lets not forget that dredful day in December, 2004 when a rookie 7th round pick (correct me if I'm wrong) torched taylor for the game winning TD! Beaten by the arm of Vinny Testeverde! I was at that game and in the endzone where it all took place! Sean who???

It was something though Crayton, beating him for a perfect 35-yd strike from Testaverde.

 

[apickmans]

Just bring up the fact that Chris Brown stiff armed Roy Williams into the ground, apickmans.

Don't use that [insert synonym for cat] [butt] "well, if Williams got hit by Jones...." crap. Go for the Gold! Chris Brown!

Haha or i could just use that.

 

[apickmans]

Just bring up the fact that Chris Brown stiff armed Roy Williams into the ground, apickmans.

Don't use that [insert synonym for cat] [butt] "well, if Williams got hit by Jones...." crap. Go for the Gold! Chris Brown!

You ask and I provide Vintage....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBeB2S751U&search=roy%20williams

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH cmon man, I mean this post is bad even for you though. I can just as easily find pics of moss' plays with glenn and roy in them. As for the crayton pic, what can I say Taylor should of stuck with him and not keyshawn.

When I saw the first seattle clip i had to laugh. I mean do you honestly think taylor blew in assignment on that play. I thought to myself "HH isnt that dumb". This blown defensive play is less of Taylor's fault than it is #92 Evans' and #24 Springs' fault. First of all, the end, Evans, completely loses contain, not to mention gets his *** kicked. Secondly, looks to me as if the corner, Springs, has contain on QB boot. Obviously, he's too consumed with covering his receiver to realize whats really going on and gets beat outside. Yeah, Sean Taylor could've made the play (if you wanted him to stop covering the TE, but then Hasslebeck would of just thrown it to him just as soon as he would), but he wasn't the one who blew that play.

As for the 2nd seattle clip. What point are you trying to make by showing that? Ive seen Roy lay the wood to some receivers and they still hold on to the ball. I guess youre just trying to make sean taylor seem like a puss since he got hurt laying that hit. Oh well, stingers do happen in football ya know.

And then you resort to showing a college football clip. I'm pretty sure Greg Jones running in a straight line pretty much going full speed will run over any safety, including your precious Roy williams.

In the first clip. Taylor has an inside path to Haslebeck and for some unknown reason just stops and retreats.

In the second clip, he just stands there, lets Jackson catch the ball, then delivers the hit. He wanted to make Sportscenter instead of making the proper play. The fact that he hurt himself in the process just adds insult to injuy (which is the definition of Sean taylor's career in the NFL).

The third clip is just for laughs. I dont think I've ever seen a guy as big as ST get blown up that badly. Jones hardly even flitches.

 

[1fisher]

It was something though Crayton, beating him for a perfect 35-yd strike from Testaverde.

My brother wanted to leave with 2 mins. to go! I talked him into hanging around and we were both glad we did...... the TD was great and a 7th rounder burning Taylor was icing on the cake!:starspin

 

[BigDFan5]

Dude, HeavyHitta absolutely owned you on this debate. He produced frame after frame of visual evidence. Around here we jokingly call him the pinata because he takes so many beatings. When you get schooled by the pinata, you've been schooled bad.

Don't miss your bus.

You don't want to be late for your next class.

 

[ringmaster]

I think the 5 extra speed points in Madden is one of the main reasons for this perception. No one will admit it, though. I personally think it has slowly brainwashed everybody, because speed is everything in defensive coverage on Madden.

And by the way, I've never seen anyone answer the "how many plays can you name RW being beat?" question ever. It is always ignored. You can count on it.

I play Madden, all the time and have a knack for the passing game and I'm playing the season right now and played the Skins, earlier today with there new toys, on offense, and defense.

There was this one play where I swap sides with Glenn, and Owens, who was lined up on Taylor's side of the field and guess what happened they played "Cover 1", where for some strange reason Springs played zone coverage on the flare route ran by JJ, there was Taylor, all by his lonesome on T.O. and boom a 71-yd strike for a TD.

Taylor, does have blazing speed on the game but it didn't help on that play when T.O. ate his lunch.

 

[apickmans]

In the first clip. Taylor has an inside path to Haslebeck and for some unknown reason just stops and retreats.

In the second clip, he just stands there, lets Jackson catch the ball, then delivers the hit. He wanted to make Sportscenter instead of making the proper play. The fact that he hurt himself in the process just adds insult to injuy (which is the definition of Sean taylor's career in the NFL).

The third clip is just for laughs. I dont think I've ever seen a guy as big as ST get blown up that badly. Jones hardly even flitches.

1st clip: Like i said HH, Taylor was covering a TE on that play. If taylor leaves his man to go after hasslebeck, all hasslebeck has to do is lob it over for an easy TD. I bet if that happened cowboyzone's server would of exploded by all the posters making fun of taylor and saying how much he sucks.

2nd clip: If you hear the annoucers or even just watch the play happen you can see hasslebeck eyeing off taylor and then delivers a nice pass to jackson by the sideline. Taylor im sure realized that he would not get there in time to deflect the ball or swat it away so he goes for the big hit trying to lodge the ball out. It doesnt work as you can see and receives a stringer for his effort. He wasnt just trying to make the sportcenter clip.

3rd clip: What can i say man, Jones is a biiiig dude. As for taylor, he was a bit smaller in college, but im still not gonna defend the fact he got rolled out.