CBS Sportsline - Overrated & Underrated players from each team

[Vintage]

Question for the mods: Is it inappropriate for me to suggest to MossBurner to take a bath with a plugged in toaster?

I mean, technically, I am not calling him a name or anything...or attacking him...

 

[Vintage]

In fact, Roy is closer to Santana than Glenn for 95% of that play.

So what have we learned here, today.

Make an arguement. Lose it.

Change the arguement. Lose again.

Go for the third arguement. After all, third times the charm. Its bound to be a winner. Right?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ROY ASSINGMENT!!!!!!!

Roy was assinged to zone coverage in an area shorter than where Moss' route ended up. When no WR was in his area and he saw the ball going to a one on one covered Moss, he tried to help, but because that was not his area, he was too far away to make a play.

I applaud your effort but it is useless to educate a skin-troll... you are using logic and fact.... 2 things that are not part of the skin-trolling world

 

[The30YardSlant]

In fact, Roy is closer to Santana than Glenn for 95% of that play.

Jesus, how stupid are you???

Forget for a minute it was Glenn who infact allowed Moss to score, not Roy. Simply because Roy was close to Moss has no bearing on him being his assingment. Glenn is the CB, and is clearly the one charged with covering Moss. Roy is in a zone, he sticks close to Moss until moss leaves his area. Upon seeing the ball thrown to Moss, he retreats to help out Glenn, but cannot get there in time.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Dude, HeavyHitta absolutely owned you on this debate. He produced frame after frame of visual evidence. Around here we jokingly call him the pinata because he takes so many beatings. When you get schooled by the pinata, you've been schooled bad.

Don't miss your bus.

You don't want to be late for your next class.

:laugh1:

 

[TheSkaven]

To call Roy Williams overrated is insanity. Aside from his bone crushing hits, the guy makes plays. Playmakers can never be overrated. Here is my list:

Dallas Cowboys
Over rated: Greg Ellis.
Under rated: Flozell Adams.

Philadelphia Eagles
Over rated: Donovan McNabb (but Kearse was a fine choice)
Under rated: Trent Cole.

New York Giants
Over rated: LaVar Arrington, Eli Manning (take your pick)
Under rated: Tiki Barber

Washington Commanders
Over rated: Joe Gibbs
Under rated: Marcus Washington

 

[littlewebs]

I agree with you. SM ran by AG and then by RW. How many times can these two plays be debated? Time to move on to 2006.

I'd actually be shocked if a Commander fan's argument for why Roy sucks in coverage involved anything OTHER THAN those 2 plays. No one has ANY OTHER EXAMPLES.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE NAME A TIME LAST YEAR WHERE ROY WILLIAMS GOT BURNED NOT INVOLVING WEEK 2 AND SANTANA MOSS?????

I wonder if I'll hear crickets.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I agree with you. SM ran by AG and then by RW. How many times can these two plays be debated? Time to move on to 2006.

Really? Now you want to move on? Then why is that all Skins fans can talk about still?

 

[littlewebs]

Question for the mods: Is it inappropriate for me to suggest to MossBurner to take a bath with a plugged in toaster?

I mean, technically, I am not calling him a name or anything...or attacking him...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Roy clearly eyes Moss until he leaves his zone assingment, then realizing that Glenn was one on one, he retreats after Moss has gone by him.

 

[Alexander]

There were four other safeties on Prisco's overrated list: Sammy Knight, Donovin Darius, Mike Doss and Adam Archuleta.

All were singled out for their coverage deficiencies.

I agree that Williams isn't the "best safety" in football because of his coverage weaknesses, but for Prisco to arbitrarily pick off strong safeties and state they are all coverage liabilities is dubious. There is a reason they are strong safeties and that is because they lack range. That's like downgrading a fullback because they don't have tailback speed and movement skills.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Jesus, how stupid are you???

Forget for a minute it was Glenn who infact allowed Moss to score, not Roy. Simply because Roy was close to Moss has no bearing on him being his assingment. Glenn is the CB, and is clearly the one charged with covering Moss. Roy is in a zone, he sticks close to Moss until moss leaves his area. Upon seeing the ball thrown to Moss, he retreats to help out Glenn, but cannot get there in time.

Yeah really.... Roy should be applauded for what actually happened... he made up ground and almost made a play he was in no position to make.... how about a truthful non-spin once in a while right LOL

 

[AdamJT13]

I know, let's ask Bill Parcells if either of Moss' touchdown catches were Roy Williams' fault. He should know.

Wait, someone already did.

http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/cowboys/demand/parcells_092105.rm


Starting at 16:46 of the press conference --

Reporter: "Roy Williams, on those last two plays, was he supposed to be there and have deep help there?"

Parcells: "Well, no, it wasn't really his play. OK? It wasn't really his play. So ... I was asked that question after the game, and I told you whose play it was."

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'd actually be shocked if a Commander fan's argument for why Roy sucks in coverage involved anything OTHER THAN those 2 plays. No one has ANY OTHER EXAMPLES.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE NAME A TIME LAST YEAR WHERE ROY WILLIAMS GOT BURNED NOT INVOLVING WEEK 2 AND SANTANA MOSS?????

I wonder if I'll hear crickets.

And people always forget his great plays in coverage, like him luring McNabb into that pass on MNF last year or the year before in Philly when TO was wide open in the endzone and Roy recovered to make an amazing deflection, or that same season when he was one on one with Donte Stallworth and made a pick.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I know, let's ask Bill Parcells if either of Moss' touchdown catches were Roy Williams' fault. He should know.

Wait, someone already did.

http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/cowboys/demand/parcells_092105.rm


Starting at 16:46 of the press conference --

Reporter: "Roy Williams, on those last two plays, was he supposed to be there and have deep help there?"

Parcells: "Well, no, it wasn't really his play. OK? It wasn't really his play. So ... I was asked that question after the game, and I told you whose play it was."

The epic beatdown continues

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Lets all understand the rules now. From now on whenever a safety leaves a zone and follows the ball to the intended target, he has now been burned if its completed.

You know whats funny about these plays..If the corner were Newman and the safety was Davis they would be saying the complete opposite. It would be Newmans fault because hes the corner and Sean Springs is better.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

New York Giants
Over rated: LaVar Arrington, Eli Manning (take your pick)
Under rated: Tiki Barber

Tiki is a great back and was an MVP candidate last year, he gets his credit, I dont think hes underrated

 

[Alexander]

Lets all understand the rules now. From now on whenever a safety leaves a zone and follows the ball to the intended target, he has now been burned if its completed.

Not when it is Sean Taylor.

 

[Vintage]

Someone needs to call the police.

There's been a beating in this thread.

 

[Alexander]

You know whats funny about these plays..If the corner were Newman and the safety was Davis they would be saying the complete opposite. It would be Newmans fault because hes the corner and Sean Springs is better.

You brought up an interesting point. I actually disagree. Davis would be getting it with both barrels if he did what Williams did on that play, just because he isn't nearly as respected.