CBS Sportsline - Overrated & Underrated players from each team

[ringmaster]

And considering Glenn ran a fly route and did not attempt to sell the run (like he did against KC), Taylor had no business getting burned

Right on target

 

[BigDFan5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKcl-sfEiEM&search=santana%20moss

You'll notice on the 2nd touchdown that Santana runs right beside and past Roy.

What is the argument here?

Holy **** did you seriously just post a link that proved Hevyhittas point for him and then try to claim victory?

Now watch the video You see Newman lined up on the reciever in the slot, Moss on the outside against Glenn, you clearly see Newman RELEASE the slot reciever to WILLIAMS the slot reciever was then WILLIAMS responsibility. Then when the ball was thrown Williams broke off and went after Moss. Slow Mo starts at the 20 second mark, watch it and try and learn something

 

[DLCassidy]

Dude, HeavyHitta absolutely owned you on this debate. He produced frame after frame of visual evidence. Around here we jokingly call him the pinata because he takes so many beatings. When you get schooled by the pinata, you've been schooled bad.

Don't miss your bus.

You don't want to be late for your next class.

:laugh1: That is classic.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

1st clip: Like i said HH, Taylor was covering a TE on that play. If taylor leaves his man to go after hasslebeck, all hasslebeck has to do is lob it over for an easy TD. I bet if that happened cowboyzone would of exploding by all the posters making fun of taylor and saying how much he sucks.

2nd clip: If you hear the annoucers or even just watch the play happen you can see hasslebeck eyeing off taylor and then delivers a nice pass to jackson by the sideline. Taylor im sure realized that he would not get there in time to deflect the ball or swat it away so he goes for the big hit trying to lodge the ball out. It doesnt work as you can see and receives a stringer for his effort. He wasnt just trying to make the sportcenter clip.

The guy has potential, but hes not perfect, he gets beat like all DB's do. Just happens that it wasnt on monday night in a legendary collapse.

Read any article about Roy and thats all people remember, not the fumbles he forces or the other games he helped win

 

[lspain1]

Read any article about Roy and thats all people remember, not the fumbles he forces or the other games he helped win

I remember a certain game last year when a late Williams interception won the game. It's too bad about Roy's coverage skills.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ROy has been on Prisco's overrated list for the past 3 years, this comes as no suprise

 

[Bob Sacamano]

by far

this must be your guy's favorite phrase, that and, "clearly"

but that's not saying much, I can't name a FS other than Taylor who's any good, he'd have alot of comp. if he were a SS, having to go up against the likes up Gibril WIlson, Dawkins, Roy

 

[EMMITTnROY]

You know whats overrated? The overrating of Roy Williams, everyone and their mother does it now.

I agree COMPLETELY.. Roy is the best in the league, period.

come on, this same guy says that Sean Taylor is ELITE.. haha..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My point was that elite safeties in the league, like Taylor, Dawkins, Reed, Polamalu are all capable of playing either S position.

Roy is not, just like Archuleta is not. Thus, neither are elite.

please, Adam has a real interesting stat about what Roy did last year, and have you ever seen Polamalu try to play FS, or any other SS? dont' make crap up

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Damn, it gets tiring correcting your posts

First of all, RW was not deep enough on the first TD to Moss, and yes that was his fault.

BP absolved Roy of any blame for those 2 plays, none were his fault

 

[stilltheguru]

I'd actually be shocked if a Commander fan's argument for why Roy sucks in coverage involved anything OTHER THAN those 2 plays. No one has ANY OTHER EXAMPLES.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE NAME A TIME LAST YEAR WHERE ROY WILLIAMS GOT BURNED NOT INVOLVING WEEK 2 AND SANTANA MOSS?????

I wonder if I'll hear crickets.

nobody ever answers this question.hahahaha.

 

[The30YardSlant]

BP absolved Roy of any blame for those 2 plays, none were his fault

Looking at that first TD, even if Moss wasnt Roy's assingment, he could have made a play, he just misjudged the ball, unlike the second TD when he was never in position

 

[MC KAos]

the whole Commanders team is overrated..

 

[stilltheguru]

roy=top 5 most hated player in the nfl.thats pretty obvious listening and looking at alot of things during the past 3 seasons.tsk tsk tsk

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dude, HeavyHitta absolutely owned you on this debate. He produced frame after frame of visual evidence. Around here we jokingly call him the pinata because he takes so many beatings. When you get schooled by the pinata, you've been schooled bad.

Don't miss your bus.

You don't want to be late for your next class.

 

[Mansta54]

the whole Commanders team is overrated..

Well said!!!!

 

[littlewebs]

nobody ever answers this question.hahahaha.

Can someone with an Extremeskins membership go over and start a thread asking everyone to come up with all their favorite times Roy Williams has been burned?

I have a feeling it will play out where they all get excited to bash on a Cowboys player they hate, naturally bring up the plays from week 2, and then draw a blank.

I would love to see this. Is someone willing to do it?

 

[Gryphon]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9542704

Dallas Cowboys
Overrated: Williams is a good player when near the line of scrimmage, but he can't be called a top-tier safety because he struggles so much in coverage. He's a decent, not great player. His reputation would lead you to believe he was great.

Underrated: Drew Bledsoe is one of those quarterbacks who always gets picked apart, no matter what he does. But he had a heck of a year for the Cowboys, throwing for 3,639 yards and 23 touchdowns.
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New York Giants
Overrated: Tight end Jeremy Shockey is a good player, but he should be a great one. He needs more focus. If that happens, watch out. Until then, he's not as good as many think.

Underrated: Guard Chris Snee is a nasty mauler who will soon be a Pro Bowl player. He won't back down from anyone and he's key to getting Tiki Barber all those yards.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Overrated: Defensive end Jevon Kearse isn't the player he was with the Titans. He doesn't have the same burst and opponents don't have to account for on every play. He's still pretty good, but no longer an elite pass rusher.

Underrated: Right guard Shawn Andrews is developing into one of the better guards in the NFC. He can overpower an opponent.
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Washington Commanders
Overrated: Safety Adam Archuleta is a big hitter who has made some big plays, but he is a liability in coverage and isn't worth the money the 'Skins paid him.

Underrated: Fellow safety Sean Taylor is a monster player whose talent has been overshadowed by his off-field incident. He's an elite safety.

 

[1fisher]

Can someone with an Extremeskins membership go over and start a thread asking everyone to come up with all their favorite times Roy Williams has been burned?

I have a feeling it will play out where they all get excited to bash on a Cowboys player they hate, naturally bring up the plays from week 2, and then draw a blank.

I would love to see this. Is someone willing to do it?

If I hadn' t gotten banned for the third time I would gladly do it!

 

[TEK2000]

The following material is courtesy of the outstanding SACK MASTER of another Cowboys forum. Much thanks SACK!! You're the man for this info. (Edit.. crap the stats aren't showing up right but you can check those yourself at nfl.com or other stats sites)




Prisco is a KNOW Cowboy basher.

And what is even funnier, he has Taylor listed as underrated, and calls him an Elite Safety.

What the hell has Taylor done in the NFL to make anyone think he is Elite?

Here are Taylor's stats from the 1st two years in the league

YearTeamGTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass Def2004Washington Commanders157660161.048521.245092005Washington Commanders157060101.023417.032010TOTAL30146120262.0611919.845019


Now here is Roy's stats from his 1st two years in the league
YearTeamGTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass Def2002Dallas Cowboys169988112.059018.085232003Dallas Cowboys167255172.026934.53906TOTAL32171143284715952.512429


Roy beats Sean in every category except Pass Deflections.

He has more tackles, more int's, more sacks, more forced fumbles, and more touchdowns than Taylor did in his 1st two years, but Roy is overrated, and Taylor is elite?

Complete BS.

Then you take season averages ....

Taylor
GTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass DefTOTAL30146120262.0611919.845019157360131359.519.84509.5


Roy
GTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass DefTOTAL64346285616.51226422.0853241686.571.2515.251.62536622850.756


Again Roy wins in every category except pass deflections, and they tie in int's per year.

Hell, even if we break the stats down by Game, to be fair to Sean since he has not played a full 16 game season yet, Roy still has better stats.

Taylor
GTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass DefTOTAL30146120262.0611919.8450194.8674.0000.8670.0670.2003.96719.8450.0000.633


Roy
GTotalTcklAstSacksIntYdsAvgLgTDPass DefTOTAL64346285616.51226422.0853245.4064.4530.9530.1020.1884.12522.0850.0470.375


Shucks, Taylor finally beats Roy in two categories, passes defensed and ints pre game, but still looses in ever other category.

But yet Roy is overrated, and Taylor is an Elite Safety.


But hell, let's see what Scouts think.

Taylor
Grade: 76 | Key
Alert: C

Comment:
Taylor has exceptional athletic ability. He has good body control and change of direction. He is a very smooth runner and he has an ease of movement. He has the ability to make plays sideline to sideline. He has good overall speed and can run with most receivers. He has good physical strength and he can handle most receivers one on one. He did a nice job when he was matched up with tight ends in man to man coverage. However, Taylor lacks consistency at his position. He plays too high and does not have good knee bend in his back pedal. He takes poor angles to the ball at times and he will over run plays and gets himself out of position and gets caught up in the traffic. He does not break down on tackles in the open field and he is not a sure tackler. He is a grabber allowing receivers or backs to get extra yards on him.



Roy
Grade: 90 | Key
Alert: None

Comment:
Reads plays quickly, is aggressive and flashes the ability to disrupt running plays in the backfield. Uses hands fairly well, protects legs from cut blocks and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Plays with discipline, rarely takes false steps and is efficient. Explodes into hits, plays with a mean streak and can force fumbles. Possesses good athletic ability, has adequate top-end speed and is capable of matching up with most tight ends. Is instinctive and shows good range in zone coverage. Times hits well, is physical and looks to punish receivers coming over the middle. Reads opposing quarterbacks' eyes, has good ball skills and is a playmaker. Is tall, fights for the ball while it's in the air and can compete for jump balls in the red zone as well as downfield. Has yet to miss a game and is durable. However, Williams doesn't have elite speed. Takes too long to open hips when forced to turn and run downfield and while rarely gets caught out of position lacks the second gear to recover once the receiver gets past him.


So what is the difference of a Grade of 76 and a Grade of 90?

GRADING SCALE 100-90 Elite Player89-80 Outstanding Player79-75 Solid Starter74-70 Good Starter69-65 Adequate Starter64-60 Good Backup59-55 Adequate Backup54-50 Marginal Backup49-45 Poor Player30 Developmental Player


That's funny. Scouts say Roy Williams is the Elite player, and Sean is just the solid starter.


Prisco is just a hatter who refuses to give the Boys any love.

F that fat boy and he can

He is the definition of a idiot.


Oh BTW.
It was Ronnie Lott HIMSELF that said he watches Roy when it comes to safeties that play like him.