Celtics Get First Pick

[darthseinfeld]

Most of the talk in Philly is Jackson. Hell if I know. I don't follow college basketball.

Monk is polarizing. People either love him or hate him.

He fits what they need, but I dont know I dont know if he is value at point. Jackson is the better overall prospect. A 2 way guy in the Jimmu Butler mold. His shooting isnt plus, but it's improving and could be soon

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Russell has already moved to SG this season in order to play Clarkson at PG. So it isn't out of the question to see Ball at PG and Russell at SG next season, with Ingram at SF and Randle at PF. All their need is a center and they have a solid young starting 5.

Actually, he only played part of the season there, which IMO, is his best position. Still in all, I do think that's probably where he ends up long term. I think you are right about that. The problem is, it might take Russell for a team to take on one of those worthless contracts. If that's the case, then it may be Russell that's gone but, surprisingly, it was reported that almost every team inquired after Clarkson after the Lottery.

They do need a good rebounding, defensive Center that can give you 10 or 12 points a night. Basically clean up the boards, stick backs and the odd play run for them.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No need to move Clarkson. He is under contract and can come off the bench. Nick Young is a free agent (with a player option), and I've heard nothing of him wanting to resign.

As for cap space, Magic said Lakers are most likely gonna keep their space this year and use it for 2018, when PGeorge is a free agent. So as of now, don't need to trade Moz or Deng.

No, I think you are wrong. Before you can do a deal with Mozgav or Deng, you first have to have a team that has cap to burn. That team, this year, is the Nets and they were desperate to get a high lottery pick. I think now is the time to make that deal with them because the Lakers have what the Nets want, either players or pick. I think this is probably the time to do a deal like that if you want to dump salary. Next year, you may not have that.

JMO

 

[DFWJC]

Last time the Celtics got a deal close to this good is when they got Kevin Mchale and Robert Parish in 1980 and won the Championship that year in the spring of 1981. Also won Championship with McHale and Parish in 1984 and 1986.

It's really lining up for those guys going forward.
Even when they got Bird, it was from unusual circumstances.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No, I think you are wrong. Before you can do a deal with Mozgav or Deng, you first have to have a team that has cap to burn. That team, this year, is the Nets and they were desperate to get a high lottery pick. I think now is the time to make that deal with them because the Lakers have what the Nets want, either players or pick. I think this is probably the time to do a deal like that if you want to dump salary. Next year, you may not have that.

JMO

Why is it SO urgent to dump them this summer or at all? As of now (for next season) we are at...$81,508,029 (before adding two draft picks). And if we don't resign NYoung, we have another 6 mill off the books from that.

PGeorge is prob the only FA we will look to sign after next season. Here is our cap space for 2018/2019...$47,628,102.

(hoopshype.com for team salaries)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why is it SO urgent to dump them this summer or at all? As of now (for next season) we are at...$81,508,029 (before adding two draft picks). And if we don't resign NYoung, we have another 6 mill off the books from that.

PGeorge is prob the only FA we will look to sign after next season. Here is our cap space for 2018/2019...$47,628,102.

(hoopshype.com for team salaries)

Well, because you may not have the right circumstances to dump salary next year. IMO, you kinda have to strike the deal when the iron is hot, so to speak. If you don't have that pick next year and you don't have a team like the Nets with lots of cap space to eat those kinds of contracts, then you are stuck. That's why you do this this year, if you can, IMO. Remember, you don't have one bad contract, you have two. It's really difficult to fix your cap if you have to worry about shedding two really bad contracts and the Lakers have two.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Well, because you may not have the right circumstances to dump salary next year. IMO, you kinda have to strike the deal when the iron is hot, so to speak. If you don't have that pick next year and you don't have a team like the Nets with lots of cap space to eat those kinds of contracts, then you are stuck. That's why you do this this year, if you can, IMO. Remember, you don't have one bad contract, you have two. It's really difficult to fix your cap if you have to worry about shedding two really bad contracts and the Lakers have two.

Again, we don't need to dump their salaries just for the sake of it. Our cap will be fine in 2018/19.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, we don't need to dump their salaries just for the sake of it. Our cap will be fine in 2018/19.

I don't agree. You have a lot of nice young talent being developed but you don't have that one or two guys that can take you over the top. Guys that are truly elite. Plus, you still need a quality big man, which will cost as well. Besides, the 18/19 cap year is basically two seasons removed. Paul will be an FA next year if I am not mistaken. In fact, he is a restricted FA next year, I believe. That means that Indy can match any offer. If George really wants to come back to LA, then the Lakers are going to have to pay a max type salary to him. Bird and the Pacers aren't just going to go gently into that good night with George IMO. Cap relief in two seasons, if you want George, is not really helpful IMO.

Plus, you look at the Lakers roster right now and here is what you see:

Mazgov and Deng (both horrible contracts) signed through 19/20
Clarkson signed thru 19/20
Russell signed thru 19/20
Ingram signed thru 20/21
Randle signed thru 18/19
Nance signed thru 19/20
Zubic signed thru 18/19

Nobody else is signed so you have 8 players under contract, of which, two are horrible contracts that you really don't want to keep. You have Randle coming up for another contract and several of your other younger players right behind him. You really need to sign a player that brings other players and allows you to put butts in seats. Plus, you need a minimum of at least 13 players on your roster and most teams carry 14. That means that you need to sign 6 guys and you would hope that they are a better quality then we currently have now. That costs money. I don't think you can just sit back and count on cap relief in two seasons. You really need to manage the cap now IMO.

 

[dallasdave]

It's really lining up for those guys going forward.
Even when they got Bird, it was from unusual circumstances.

Go Celtics

 

[jterrell]

Well, to be fair, the NBA kinda stepped in and screwed LA in the whole Chris Paul deal. I mean, if the Lakers get Paul, which they really should have IMO, they have a really good chance to win another Championship or two.

NBA did screw Paul to Lakers but reality is we've seen that saved the Lakers and allowed to rebuild.
Paul wasn't gonna keep that team afloat and they had no cap money and way too many seriously declining pieces.

 

[jterrell]

I don't agree. You have a lot of nice young talent being developed but you don't have that one or two guys that can take you over the top. Guys that are truly elite. Plus, you still need a quality big man, which will cost as well. Besides, the 18/19 cap year is basically two seasons removed. Paul will be an FA next year if I am not mistaken. In fact, he is a restricted FA next year, I believe. That means that Indy can match any offer. If George really wants to come back to LA, then the Lakers are going to have to pay a max type salary to him. Bird and the Pacers aren't just going to go gently into that good night with George IMO. Cap relief in two seasons, if you want George, is not really helpful IMO.

Plus, you look at the Lakers roster right now and here is what you see:

Mazgov and Deng (both horrible contracts) signed through 19/20
Clarkson signed thru 19/20
Russell signed thru 19/20
Ingram signed thru 20/21
Randle signed thru 18/19
Nance signed thru 19/20
Zubic signed thru 18/19

Nobody else is signed so you have 8 players under contract, of which, two are horrible contracts that you really don't want to keep. You have Randle coming up for another contract and several of your other younger players right behind him. You really need to sign a player that brings other players and allows you to put butts in seats. Plus, you need a minimum of at least 13 players on your roster and most teams carry 14. That means that you need to sign 6 guys and you would hope that they are a better quality then we currently have now. That costs money. I don't think you can just sit back and count on cap relief in two seasons. You really need to manage the cap now IMO.

Lakers are very young and interesting with Magic in charge.
But they've got to get some immediate help to win games.
That's why all the George talk.

Lakers obviously gotta get some defense in place after giving up over 111 last year.
Lonzo doesn't help much there. He's at best equivalent to Clarkson on defense right now.

Russell isn't very good yet and may not ever be. If they can convince someone to give up anything of real merit for him that's a smart move. His -5.7 per game is pretty brutal.

If the Lakers could somehow package Randle, Russell and a bad contract for a top 10 PF toa team wanting to get younger that would be a great move.

As the Sizers have shown being young forever and drafting high every year just doesn't equate to wins. Guys contracts are too short.

 

[jterrell]

I don't agree. You have a lot of nice young talent being developed but you don't have that one or two guys that can take you over the top. Guys that are truly elite. Plus, you still need a quality big man, which will cost as well. Besides, the 18/19 cap year is basically two seasons removed. Paul will be an FA next year if I am not mistaken. In fact, he is a restricted FA next year, I believe. That means that Indy can match any offer. If George really wants to come back to LA, then the Lakers are going to have to pay a max type salary to him. Bird and the Pacers aren't just going to go gently into that good night with George IMO. Cap relief in two seasons, if you want George, is not really helpful IMO.

Plus, you look at the Lakers roster right now and here is what you see:

Mazgov and Deng (both horrible contracts) signed through 19/20
Clarkson signed thru 19/20
Russell signed thru 19/20
Ingram signed thru 20/21
Randle signed thru 18/19
Nance signed thru 19/20
Zubic signed thru 18/19

Nobody else is signed so you have 8 players under contract, of which, two are horrible contracts that you really don't want to keep. You have Randle coming up for another contract and several of your other younger players right behind him. You really need to sign a player that brings other players and allows you to put butts in seats. Plus, you need a minimum of at least 13 players on your roster and most teams carry 14. That means that you need to sign 6 guys and you would hope that they are a better quality then we currently have now. That costs money. I don't think you can just sit back and count on cap relief in two seasons. You really need to manage the cap now IMO.

The biggest reason you are right is no top free agent wants to go to LAL with the players in place currently and Lonzo Ball doesn't change that as a rookie.
LAL fans have been talking about top FA every off-season for 3-4 years and completely striking out.
Now they need to realistically team build given the lots of young trade ammo.

Because does that team really wanna pay Russell the max? Randle? How much is Clarkson worth? Teams are after Clarkson because he's a solid affordable piece that's never been overvalued.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Celts Down 41. lol. Olynyk can now play with his 1/2 inch pony tail in the locker room more.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The biggest reason you are right is no top free agent wants to go to LAL with the players in place currently and Lonzo Ball doesn't change that as a rookie.
LAL fans have been talking about top FA every off-season for 3-4 years and completely striking out.
Now they need to realistically team build given the lots of young trade ammo.

Because does that team really wanna pay Russell the max? Randle? How much is Clarkson worth? Teams are after Clarkson because he's a solid affordable piece that's never been overvalued.

PGeorge has been telling his closest friends and those in the know he wants to be a Laker. Go to www.silverscreenandroll.com for all the articles up on him wanting to be in L.A.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I don't agree. You have a lot of nice young talent being developed but you don't have that one or two guys that can take you over the top. Guys that are truly elite. Plus, you still need a quality big man, which will cost as well. Besides, the 18/19 cap year is basically two seasons removed. Paul will be an FA next year if I am not mistaken. In fact, he is a restricted FA next year, I believe. That means that Indy can match any offer. If George really wants to come back to LA, then the Lakers are going to have to pay a max type salary to him. Bird and the Pacers aren't just going to go gently into that good night with George IMO. Cap relief in two seasons, if you want George, is not really helpful IMO.

Plus, you look at the Lakers roster right now and here is what you see:

Mazgov and Deng (both horrible contracts) signed through 19/20
Clarkson signed thru 19/20
Russell signed thru 19/20
Ingram signed thru 20/21
Randle signed thru 18/19
Nance signed thru 19/20
Zubic signed thru 18/19

Nobody else is signed so you have 8 players under contract, of which, two are horrible contracts that you really don't want to keep. You have Randle coming up for another contract and several of your other younger players right behind him. You really need to sign a player that brings other players and allows you to put butts in seats. Plus, you need a minimum of at least 13 players on your roster and most teams carry 14. That means that you need to sign 6 guys and you would hope that they are a better quality then we currently have now. That costs money. I don't think you can just sit back and count on cap relief in two seasons. You really need to manage the cap now IMO.

George is an unrestricted FA after next season. He is not restricted, will have a player option to resign.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana_pacers/

As for we need a quality big man. Zubac is the starter. What so called quality big men are available for trade or in the draft (to play center)? He may not be quality to you, but Magic and Rob Pelinka are very high on him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

George is an unrestricted FA after next season. He is not restricted, will have a player option to resign.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana_pacers/

As for we need a quality big man. Zubac is the starter. What so called quality big men are available for trade or in the draft (to play center)? He may not be quality to you, but Magic and Rob Pelinka are very high on him.

Thank you for confirming George's status. I did not think he was unrestricted but if he is, Indy is still going to have Bird Rights so the basic point still remains. He is going to be expensive and according to Bird, they are all in for trying to resign him.

Zubac may or may not be the eventual long term answer. At this point, I don't believe you can say that. Is he the starter? I don't think you can really say that either. He started 11 games last year. He played in 38 and he was inactive for the last 8 or 10 of the season. That is not a starter IMO. That is a young player developing. To be clear, I do not hate this player but I think he's far from being "The Guy" at center, at this point in his career. When he gets 30 minutes a game, he seems to be able to put in 15 pts a game or so and he shoots the ball well from the field but, he needs to improve as a rebounder IMO. He is a terrible free throw shooter.

Who do I like at Center in the Draft? I like that kid Collins from Gonzaga and I like Patton from Creighton.

Who do I like in FA? I like Myles Turner but I don't know if the Lakers like him or not. The other thing is that Zubac is an FA in 18-19 as well.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Thank you for confirming George's status. I did not think he was unrestricted but if he is, Indy is still going to have Bird Rights so the basic point still remains. He is going to be expensive and according to Bird, they are all in for trying to resign him.

Zubac may or may not be the eventual long term answer. At this point, I don't believe you can say that. Is he the starter? I don't think you can really say that either. He started 11 games last year. He played in 38 and he was inactive for the last 8 or 10 of the season. That is not a starter IMO. That is a young player developing. To be clear, I do not hate this player but I think he's far from being "The Guy" at center, at this point in his career. When he gets 30 minutes a game, he seems to be able to put in 15 pts a game or so and he shoots the ball well from the field but, he needs to improve as a rebounder IMO. He is a terrible free throw shooter.

Who do I like at Center in the Draft? I like that kid Collins from Gonzaga and I like Patton from Creighton.

Who do I like in FA? I like Myles Turner but I don't know if the Lakers like him or not. The other thing is that Zubac is an FA in 18-19 as well.

Try all they want. He is leaving from all I've read.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If I'm the Celts I'm trading Isaiah Thomas and drafting Fultz without question. Thomas is a nice story but a limited player (defensive liability) that's tough to build a contender around as a cornerstone piece.

They may be able to package Thomas and perhaps Jaylon Brown for Gordon Hayward type caliber of player in return.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If I'm the Celts I'm trading Isaiah Thomas and drafting Fultz without question. Thomas is a nice story but a limited player (defensive liability) that's tough to build a contender around as a cornerstone piece.

They may be able to package Thomas and perhaps Jaylon Brown for Gordon Hayward type caliber of player in return.

If you do that, keeping Bradley long term is an option. Tough player to let walk in todays NBA. I was just thinking about the possibility that they trade Isaiah after it came out Ainge tried to trade him last year. I think with Brown, Utah may take that unless they sure Hayword wants to stay. Its hard to really guage what they can get from Isaiah. He is 29, he is 5'9, defensive liability and has one year left on his deal. I dont think it will be long before he is a microwave 6th. But the time to strike is now if you can maintain a good playoff position without. Luckily for the Celtics the EC is so weak

 

[JoeyBoy718]

If I'm the Celts I'm trading Isaiah Thomas and drafting Fultz without question. Thomas is a nice story but a limited player (defensive liability) that's tough to build a contender around as a cornerstone piece.

They may be able to package Thomas and perhaps Jaylon Brown for Gordon Hayward type caliber of player in return.

I agree that they should probably move on from Isiah despite the great season, but I don't think they should trade Jaylon Brown. They spent the #3 overall pick on him last year and he's gotten a lot of experience in his rookie season. He'll probably end up being the starting SF and they'll move on from Crowder. I think Fultz and Bradley with Smart as the backup will be a solid back court trio.