Celtics Get First Pick

[darthseinfeld]

I agree that they should probably move on from Isiah despite the great season, but I don't think they should trade Jaylon Brown. They spent the #3 overall pick on him last year and he's gotten a lot of experience in his rookie season. He'll probably end up being the starting SF and they'll move on from Crowder. I think Fultz and Bradley with Smart as the backup will be a solid back court trio.

I dont think you will see Brown start over Crowder next. I think that will more likely be 2018/19 season. I think you see a good uptick in minutes. I think he will getba consistent 25 minutes. He has good 2 way potential on the wing, but they will probably want to see a more rounded defensive game before moving on from Crowder

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Try all they want. He is leaving from all I've read.

Hey may be leaving, he may not be, I don't know. I hear a lot of talk but as we've all seen in the past, money talks. Lets assume he is leaving, that doesn't mean he is coming to L.A. He could end up elsewhere, just depending on money. The point here is that if L.A. wants him and they desperately need to sign a big name IMO, it's going to cost. That is why you need to get a handle on your cap. That is the point I am trying to make.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree that they should probably move on from Isiah despite the great season, but I don't think they should trade Jaylon Brown. They spent the #3 overall pick on him last year and he's gotten a lot of experience in his rookie season. He'll probably end up being the starting SF and they'll move on from Crowder. I think Fultz and Bradley with Smart as the backup will be a solid back court trio.

Yeah, I do agree with you but I'm presuming teams will want to get something to give something. I think teams around the league know Thomas is a limited player that provides instant offense but little else; a nice piece but not a building block player. I'm guessing teams will want a young player with some upside ala Jaylon Brown. Watching the Celts play I see a major deficiency in talent in their bigs. I think adding a guard like Fultz and a quality SF or PF would help them better compete. JMO

 

[jterrell]

PGeorge has been telling his closest friends and those in the know he wants to be a Laker. Go to www.silverscreenandroll.com for all the articles up on him wanting to be in L.A.

You mean like Carmelo Anthony?
Lakers fans are a large and rabid bunch.
Staying in the news is pretty easy uttering Lakers.
PG is a solid player but he's not a franchise guy. He is a great trade target for them. Get him, add a couple other Vet pieces and recruit.

But beyond that just getting George changes nothing immediately. That team needs 2 or 3 legit vets as starters and to grow the other kids around them.
No team of young guys has won anything.
OKC drafted KD, Russ, Harden and never won.
Young guys grow up after that first contract unless they are Shaq or LeBron. The Lakers do not have those uber-franchise guys and won't with Lonzo either.
Almost no one does.

 

[jterrell]

George is an unrestricted FA after next season. He is not restricted, will have a player option to resign.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana_pacers/

As for we need a quality big man. Zubac is the starter. What so called quality big men are available for trade or in the draft (to play center)? He may not be quality to you, but Magic and Rob Pelinka are very high on him.

Yes and he's stuck in Indiana for another year unless he is traded. He is 27 now. 28 when he enters free agency looking for a deal worth over 100m.
Someone is going to overpay for a good but not great player who hates losing.

 

[jterrell]

Magic today saying only Ingram is untouchable detailing what I've been saying.

With no 1st next year Lakers need to start winning some games and that means shaking up the young core to add quality vets.

 

[darthseinfeld]

So Lonzo Ball is refusing to workout with Boston but is now considering working out for the 76ers

Lol

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You mean like Carmelo Anthony?
Lakers fans are a large and rabid bunch.
Staying in the news is pretty easy uttering Lakers.
PG is a solid player but he's not a franchise guy. He is a great trade target for them. Get him, add a couple other Vet pieces and recruit.

But beyond that just getting George changes nothing immediately. That team needs 2 or 3 legit vets as starters and to grow the other kids around them.
No team of young guys has won anything.
OKC drafted KD, Russ, Harden and never won.
Young guys grow up after that first contract unless they are Shaq or LeBron. The Lakers do not have those uber-franchise guys and won't with Lonzo either.
Almost no one does.

Getting George in 2018/2019.

 

[ghst187]

Celtics and lakers with top two picks?!
Seems rigged like many other NBA things that suspiciously cater to the big market teams.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Celtics and lakers with top two picks?!
Seems rigged like many other NBA things that suspiciously cater to the big market teams.

Celtics had the best odds at #1. Lakers had the third best odds

 

[jterrell]

Getting George in 2018/2019.

The thought Lakers want George in 2018/2019 or he stills wants them is probably tilting at windmills.
By then George would be a 30 year old wing and if he were the teams best player by any real margin they likely wouldn't even make the playoffs in the West.

Lakers have to get better now. Trade for George and another vet then add via free agency.
You don't build around 4 young guys. You build around 1 or maybe 2.
Magic fully understands this and knows LA isn't a city that will wait 5 years to be relevant again.
That's why he's said only Ingram is untouchable.

 

[jterrell]

Celtics had the best odds at #1. Lakers had the third best odds

no one cares... lol.
issue is perception. that's not going away.
having a lottery in a sport often thought to be unfair is a bad idea.
if a crappy team with tiny following wins everyone whines; if big market club with major base wins every yells rigged.
it's a no win situation.

i'd like to see them look at truly league altering proposals.
things like Cuban's suggested rookie allotment pools instead of a draft or beefing up NBDL as a legit tier 2 league and having relegation/promotion.

this current model is pretty terrible. teams think they can lose their way to the top. it's painful and completely noncompetitive.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

no one cares... lol.
issue is perception. that's not going away.
having a lottery in a sport often thought to be unfair is a bad idea.
if a crappy team with tiny following wins everyone whines; if big market club with major base wins every yells rigged.
it's a no win situation.

i'd like to see them look at truly league altering proposals.
things like Cuban's suggested rookie allotment pools instead of a draft or beefing up NBDL as a legit tier 2 league and having relegation/promotion.

this current model is pretty terrible. teams think they can lose their way to the top. it's painful and completely noncompetitive.

Have to agree. Any situation that rewards intentionally dropping games is a bad one. I don't care what sport it is but I don't know how you get around it to be honest.

JMO

 

[jterrell]

Have to agree. Any situation that rewards intentionally dropping games is a bad one. I don't care what sport it is but I don't know how you get around it to be honest.

JMO

the only sure-fire way is with relegation/promotion.
make it a penalty to finish bottom 3.
NBA could stand a reduction of 3 teams anyway.
Tell teams the bottom 2 next year are spending a season in the NBDL and watch that overt tanking crap stop.
Newly promoted NBDL teams with 3/4 depth type NBA players would have draft plus tons of new salary cap money to get guys and build a team.

Or tie season's results to money not draft picks so teams can get better but not with just 19 year old draft selections.

it is a tough deal but lots of nba games right now are simply unwatchable.
that's not a good look going forward.

may also be worth exploring a rule to create rules requiring NBA teams drafting top 3 to use ALL their salary cap money.

def need to be investigated heavily. before it costs the league massive following.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

the only sure-fire way is with relegation/promotion.
make it a penalty to finish bottom 3.
NBA could stand a reduction of 3 teams anyway.
Tell teams the bottom 2 next year are spending a season in the NBDL and watch that overt tanking crap stop.
Newly promoted NBDL teams with 3/4 depth type NBA players would have draft plus tons of new salary cap money to get guys and build a team.

Or tie season's results to money not draft picks so teams can get better but not with just 19 year old draft selections.

it is a tough deal but lots of nba games right now are simply unwatchable.
that's not a good look going forward.

may also be worth exploring a rule to create rules requiring NBA teams drafting top 3 to use ALL their salary cap money.

def need to be investigated heavily. before it costs the league massive following.

I think it's too late. I think it already has cost them. I used to watch 8 to 10 games a week. Now, if I watch the Lakers once, that's a lot. Back in the day, if I could have watched more, I would have. Now, I almost have to force myself to watch the NBA. To many commercials, to many interruptions, to many bad calls and just simply horrible play.

Your idea is interesting and at this point, I'd almost be in favor of anything but something that radical, I have my doubts that the league would be able to make that stick.

 

[jterrell]

I think it's too late. I think it already has cost them. I used to watch 8 to 10 games a week. Now, if I watch the Lakers once, that's a lot. Back in the day, if I could have watched more, I would have. Now, I almost have to force myself to watch the NBA. To many commercials, to many interruptions, to many bad calls and just simply horrible play.

Your idea is interesting and at this point, I'd almost be in favor of anything but something that radical, I have my doubts that the league would be able to make that stick.

NBA was my 2nd favorite sport for most of my life but it has become Soccer now.
I love game of basketball and played in driveways/parks daily growing up but the NBA itself is running into brick walls.
You literally have fans and hometown media upset that teams win games.

 

[casmith07]

So Lonzo Ball is refusing to workout with Boston but is now considering working out for the 76ers

Lol

The NBA's latest Eli Manning situation.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

NBA was my 2nd favorite sport for most of my life but it has become Soccer now.
I love game of basketball and played in driveways/parks daily growing up but the NBA itself is running into brick walls.
You literally have fans and hometown media upset that teams win games.

Yep. Many a day spent playing Basketball, Sun up till late in the evenings when I was young. Never had much money so it was a very cheap way to keep myself entertained and stay out of trouble.