Chaz Green?

[jterrell]

various:

Green was drafted to be the developmental OT. He has athleticism galore and played at a high level for stretches in college. He has tape shutting down top 20 draft picks out of the SEC.

He has to find a way to get and stay healthy but he has a ton of upside. Would make a ton of sense to PUP him then bring him back later once the roster has settled.
IR would shelf him for an entire year but 6-8 weeks on PUP would let him get fully healthy and work with trainers before getting into the scout team the last half the season.

The Cowboys have a tremendous OL. The thought they must have a swing OT is severely flawed.
They have enough talent in Collins and Martin playing inside that they could easily elevate Bern OR Collins at OG and plug in Martin or Collins at RT.
Most good OL coaches find a way to play their best 5 guys. Dallas has 6 very high level guys and a 7th adequate pro. Worrying about how they might get deployed due to some unforeseen injury is pointless.

 

[Manster68]

I am still hoping that Chaz Green will eventually be the replacement for Doug Free. It is becoming obvious that this will not happen this season.

It is probably best to let him sit a year and fully heal - then give it a go next season.

 

[jterrell]

I don't know where I heard this but it sounded like the Cowboys are confident that Weems could be a solid RT but they are unsure how he can do on the left.

This is probably why they are letting Tyron sit a week and giving Weems the 1st team reps and preseason game this week.

The Cowboys have been pretty consistent in that any proven starting vet with even a minor injury gets held out til 100% plus a couple days after.
They are going to learn nothing else about Tyron Smith, dude is a monster. He is just getting rest, mid-camp.
Free and Smith aren't going to get better with more reps versus more rest. It makes sense to sit those guys a good deal.
Weems is just next guy up at OT but I doubt he is the primary consideration.

Free was the LT before Tyron and could easily move over in a pinch. Collins or Martin could play RT. Lots of options and no need to force anything anywhere. Even with tremendous pre-season showings Weems is OL 8 at best.

 

[jterrell]

I am still hoping that Chaz Green will eventually be the replacement for Doug Free. It is becoming obvious that this will not happen this season.

It is probably best to let him sit a year and fully heal - then give it a go next season.

If you sit him all year you can probably forget him playing next year. IR just burns a year of his rookie deal and wastes any development. He is the ideal PUP candidate.

 

[Doomsday101]

God, I love when people pull out the anecdotes to make a point.

Of course the clear fact here is that the sort of work Collins needs won't come in practices during the season. OL guys need snaps to develop. Plain and simple.

Development and work does not end when the season starts. Collins has done very well in camp and while he may not start at the beginning of the season players are capable of showing the improvement the coaches want to see to take over a spot.

 

[AbeBeta]

Development and work does not end when the season starts. Collins has done very well in camp and while he may not start at the beginning of the season players are capable of showing the improvement the coaches want to see to take over a spot.

Sure. But the snaps are the biggest part of development and you just don't get those. Even in practice, there is much less work. Over and over if you look at the development of OL, the vast majority that become really good have to work through about 10 games or so where they make and learn from mistakes.

 

[AbeBeta]

If you sit him all year you can probably forget him playing next year. IR just burns a year of his rookie deal and wastes any development. He is the ideal PUP candidate.

You need him to at least get some practice this season. I do tend to think though that if you miss TC as a rookie, it sort of kills your chances to play at all.

I was hoping to get some idea about what we planned for him - the Jones talk about his position flex. I wonder if he's a guy we eye as a backup at center in the future.

 

[gimmesix]

The coaches don't appear to agree with you. Collins has been in pure competition with Leary, and Bern is the backup at all 3 spots like usual. Unless they're playing mind games with us fans, it doesn't appear that Collins will play at RT.

I still believe when it comes down to the regular season Bernadeau and Collins will be the game-day backups. It seems silly not to have your best linemen available, so at some point, Dallas will need to start working Collins back at tackle.
We've begun this week to play him at RG, so I won't be surprised if he's at RT next week.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure. But the snaps are the biggest part of development and you just don't get those. Even in practice, there is much less work. Over and over if you look at the development of OL, the vast majority that become really good have to work through about 10 games or so where they make and learn from mistakes.

Collins will still get snaps, yes I put up Larry Allen as an example because it is a fact, not a spin. Will he continue to develop enough to take over a spot during the season? I don't know nor do you is is possible? Yes these guys are not sitting on their butts once the season is under way.

 

[gimmesix]

Unless he becomes a really quality player I'll believe they should've taken an RB in that spot until the death of me.

We get to look at one of those players we might should have taken on Sunday when we play Mike Davis and San Francisco. He averaged 6.0 per carry in the 49ers' first preseason game, but only carried the ball three times. (Well, he had a fourth for 8 yards but it was called back because of holding.)

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do not think so. Free seems to be hurt a lot recently, if Chaz can start next year, and when Leary leaves after this year for a big contract, Collins should be the LG next year. 2 cheap options.

If Chaz can start, stay healthy, and be quality, then of course its a great pick. But those are all big iffs. All we know right now is that people were surprised by the pick so high, he was a part time player in college, and he had injury problems. And he is hurt already for us and most of his rookie season may be a washout.

A big leap saying he will start next year and be healthy. Martin can play anywhere on this line and be a pro bowler. So no rush anywhere. Free is locked in for another season after this. So as long as he is healthy and playing well, we are fine there. Will Leary resign or get some big contract to go elsewhere with Collins to step in for cheap? I dont think we have to worry about anything on our line.

I still would have rather taken a RB with the 3rd pick. Especially with signing Collins.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I know one thing there were rbs available that we desperately need right now.

Desperately? Based on?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still would have rather taken a RB with the 3rd pick. Especially with signing Collins.

The FO viewed swing tackle more valueable. No one knew we would get Collins during any portion of the draft.

 

[AbeBeta]

Collins will still get snaps, yes I put up Larry Allen as an example because it is a fact, not a spin. Will he continue to develop enough to take over a spot during the season? I don't know nor do you is is possible? Yes these guys are not sitting on their butts once the season is under way.

See, that's the problem with anecdotes. They don't reflect what happens to the vast majority of players.

 

[Doomsday101]

See, that's the problem with anecdotes. They don't reflect what happens to the vast majority of players.

and I never said it was a given, I said he will continue to work and would not rule it out.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

This isn't a complaint, and the announcers mentioned it last night as well, but I have never seen a pre-season team blitz like the Chargers did. The offensive line probably saw more blitzing in that game than they've seen from their own defense in practice, the entirety of training camp combined. I'm not worried. Romo, Dez and Witten on the field are just as effective at stopping blitzes (before they start in this case) as the best OL in football.

Cause Chargers always go out their way to beat us in the preseason. They leave their starters in longer and most likely game plans as well. It's nothing new that chargers blitz is our preseason game

 

[CashMan]

If Chaz can start, stay healthy, and be quality, then of course its a great pick. But those are all big iffs. All we know right now is that people were surprised by the pick so high, he was a part time player in college, and he had injury problems. And he is hurt already for us and most of his rookie season may be a washout.

A big leap saying he will start next year and be healthy. Martin can play anywhere on this line and be a pro bowler. So no rush anywhere. Free is locked in for another season after this. So as long as he is healthy and playing well, we are fine there. Will Leary resign or get some big contract to go elsewhere with Collins to step in for cheap? I dont think we have to worry about anything on our line.

I still would have rather taken a RB with the 3rd pick. Especially with signing Collins.

Which RB?

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think they had what they wanted at RB before the draft
Had someone fell to them where he was bpa they would have taken him. But it pretty obvious they did not see RB at a spot to reach for and get away from their board

No one really knows. I believe that Garrett was not happy when they selected Randy Gregory and I believe that was the slot where they wanted a runningback. There were still good runningbacks right up till round 4 but instead they took Chaz Green which I believe to be a reach. I think now they are regretting that pick especially since Green hasn't even sniffed the training field and that were still signing UDFA runningback off the streets.

I can't accept the fact that they were satisfied at runningback at that point. Especially when MacFragile has a history of injuries and that Randle has never carried a heavy workload. Sure the FO can say all they want that they are happy with what they have. But MacFragile gets injured or Randles goes off again and steals boys underwear, our entire season is gone out the window.

 

[conner01]

No one really knows. I believe that Garrett was not happy when they selected Randy Gregory and I believe that was the slot where they wanted a runningback. There were still good runningbacks right up till round 4 but instead they took Chaz Green which I believe to be a reach. I think now they are regretting that pick especially since Green hasn't even sniffed the training field and that were still signing UDFA runningback off the streets.

I can't accept the fact that they were satisfied at runningback at that point. Especially when MacFragile has a history of injuries and that Randle has never carried a heavy workload. Sure the FO can say all they want that they are happy with what they have. But MacFragile gets injured or Randles goes off again and steals boys underwear, our entire season is gone out the window.

If they had wanted a back they could have taken a back
Don't know anything about Garrett being opposed to Gregory but passing on him for a RB would have been a dumb move
Our biggest weakness last year was pass rush
Just because a guy like green doesn't contribute in year one means very little
Free didn't and he has developed into a solid tackle
The draft is not about one season
As to RB, they sure seem content with what they have, they've passed on every free agent and didn't take one in the draft
I do believe they would have taken a RB of the right guy had been there but it's very important to stick to your board and it appears they did that

 

[ConstantReboot]

If they had wanted a back they could have taken a back
Don't know anything about Garrett being opposed to Gregory but passing on him for a RB would have been a dumb move
Our biggest weakness last year was pass rush
Just because a guy like green doesn't contribute in year one means very little
Free didn't and he has developed into a solid tackle
The draft is not about one season
As to RB, they sure seem content with what they have, they've passed on every free agent and didn't take one in the draft
I do believe they would have taken a RB of the right guy had been there but it's very important to stick to your board and it appears they did that

No I agreed with the Randy Gregory pick all the way. However, just because your happy with what you have doesn't mean it still NOT a position that need.

Murray left for free agency and there are question marks STILL not answered with the runningback situation. Like I mentioned, MacFragile has a tendency to always be injured and Randle has issues such as stealing underwear outside of football. As for Dumbar he could have easily been replaced with a midround draft pick.
Yes they didn't draft a runningback in mid rounds and there will still some that were available. However, that still leaves some questionmarks on whether this group we have now can handle the load during an entire season. I still not convinced until proven otherwise.

What I'm saying is Dallas could have done better. I'm still not sold on what we have until proven otherwise. Dallas shouldn't be satisfied either.