Chaz Green?

[Bullflop]

We will never know if Garrett was on board with the Gregory pick. One thing we do know is they weren't looking at RB's that early. While you may think Green was a reach, why would the Cowboys be regretting that pick? The Cowboys knew he was hurt when they picked him and expected Green to possibly start the season on the PUP. There is no reason to think that they are regretting any picks for that matter. I'm not sure why you can't accept the fact they liked their RB's at that point. They didn't sign any, trade for any or draft for any. Pretty strong endorsement if you ask me. Our season is dependant on many things but the top of the list starts with Romo staying healthy. Down from there are defensive issues but RB isn't high on that list. If something happens we'll go get another. It's August 18th and while ESPN and NFLN are convinced we have a major issue at that position I'm still not seeing the Cowboys making a move for a big name player.

Nice post. I'm thinking that, at the very least, by the time Free is ready to retire, we'll likely be quite thankful that Chaz Green is available. Additionally, that might also be the case well before then.

 

[conner01]

How can you say a guy not contributing in the first year NOT a big thing? Especially if its a guy that missed most of the season from injury. A 3rd round pick needs to grow and practice, and play if need be. A 3rd round RB would be playing big minutes for us this year and the 2nd year.

The team knew of his health issues
It no big surprise to them
They didn't draft him to be the starter or the swing tackle this year
Had he won one of those jobs that would have been great. Any rookie gains from training camp but they already knew he would miss at least the majority of camp
The draft is not about one season, it's about adding as much talent to your roster as you can

 

[CashMan]

Great question. I probably would have traded up in the 3rd round to get someone. Not sure where we drafted was good enough. Let me take a look at the 3rd round of the draft.

Specifically, name a player.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

Specifically, name a player.

Rumors are they wanted DT Carl Davis, but the Ravens took him one spot ahead. So they went with next guy on the board, which was Chaz Green. Davis would have been perfect, though if Green is our starting RT in a couple years then we can't complain

 

[CashMan]

Rumors are they wanted DT Carl Davis, but the Ravens took him one spot ahead. So they went with next guy on the board, which was Chaz Green. Davis would have been perfect, though if Green is our starting RT in a couple years then we can't complain

I was asking what RB. Like a few people keep saying, they would of taken a RB, so I would like them to provide which one.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

I was asking what RB. Like a few people keep saying, they would of taken a RB, so I would like them to provide which one.

Oh, sorry, was trying to find the string of messages but got lazy. Pretty much nothing was available in 3rd from what I saw that would have been better than Randle. Maybe at Gregory's pick, but I'd much rather have Gregory than any 2nd rd RB

 

[CowboyRoy]

Both Duke Johnson and Tevon Coleman have been hurt in camp if I remember correctly. I think Coleman only started practicing yesterday after getting injured early.

And no thanks on giving up a 5th rounder to move up to grab some RB who would be 3rd or 4th string at best. I would much rather have DL Russell, who I think we took from Purdue with that 5th rounder.

Yah, I highly doubt those cats would be 3rd or 4th string. First or second string and certainly a part of the mix. Is this not Randles contract year?

 

[CowboyRoy]

The team knew of his health issues
It no big surprise to them
They didn't draft him to be the starter or the swing tackle this year
Had he won one of those jobs that would have been great. Any rookie gains from training camp but they already knew he would miss at least the majority of camp
The draft is not about one season, it's about adding as much talent to your roster as you can

Are you trying to tell me that they knew he was going to miss the off season when they drafted him? That is news to me. I highly doubt that. And if so, then it was an even worse pick.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Specifically, name a player.

I did. Duke Johnson or Tevan Coleman.

 

[conner01]

Are you trying to tell me that they knew he was going to miss the off season when they drafted him? That is news to me. I highly doubt that. And if so, then it was an even worse pick.

They did know he had an injury issue and it's been reported many times they thought he could start camp on the pup
They didn't draft green to be a starter this year. They drafted him to develope him into the replacement for free when he leaves or the future swing tackle
They made it known quite clear they seen Weems as the swing tackle this year
I have no problem drafting players before you need them and no fan should
Had we done that with a pass rusher we wouldn't have had to tag spencer like we did
The reality is you need guys developing to step in for most guys when they reach the time for a second contract. There are only so many guys you can give a second deal too
I don't know if they thought he would miss the entire pre season and I don't know that he will but the did know he would miss part of camp

 

[CashMan]

I did. Duke Johnson or Tevan Coleman.

They both went before the Cowboys pick.

 

[CATCH17]

Specifically, name a player.

I personally would take the OT prospect over the RB prospect unless the RB prospect was a total freak.

If I were to trade up it would've been for David Johnson.

This team needs Green more than it needs David Johnson right now though.

 

[CashMan]

I personally would take the OT prospect over the RB prospect unless the RB prospect was a total freak.

If I were to trade up it would've been for David Johnson.

This team needs Green more than it needs David Johnson right now though.

In the 3rd round, what are you giving up in a trade? A possible 2nd or 3rd next year, with the current 3rd rounder? Is that Dallas' MO?

 

[CATCH17]

In the 3rd round, what are you giving up in a trade? A possible 2nd or 3rd next year, with the current 3rd rounder? Is that Dallas' MO?

I haven't really thought this through but we would just need to get ahead of Arizona.. Im not sure where they were picking and where we were.


My top 3 RB's in the draft were Gurley, Yeldon, and then David Johnson.. Coleman a distant 4th.


Outside of those 4 guys I would rather go with Randle than the Buck Allen, Jay Ajayi, David Cobb types.

 

[CashMan]

I haven't really thought this through but we would just need to get ahead of Arizona.. Im not sure where they were picking and where we were.


My top 3 RB's in the draft were Gurley, Yeldon, and then David Johnson.. Coleman a distant 4th.


Outside of those 4 guys I would rather go with Randle than the Buck Allen, Jay Ajayi, David Cobb types.

From what I read, Jay Ajayi is having A LOT of problems, I believe with his knees.

 

[CATCH17]

From what I read, Jay Ajayi is having A LOT of problems, I believe with his knees.

I never liked him to begin with.

 

[CowboyRoy]

They did know he had an injury issue and it's been reported many times they thought he could start camp on the pup
They didn't draft green to be a starter this year. They drafted him to develope him into the replacement for free when he leaves or the future swing tackle
They made it known quite clear they seen Weems as the swing tackle this year
I have no problem drafting players before you need them and no fan should
Had we done that with a pass rusher we wouldn't have had to tag spencer like we did
The reality is you need guys developing to step in for most guys when they reach the time for a second contract. There are only so many guys you can give a second deal too
I don't know if they thought he would miss the entire pre season and I don't know that he will but the did know he would miss part of camp

What does any of this have to do with me not liking him as a draft pick?

So you are justifying the pick by saying who cares that he is hurt he wasn't supposed to start anyway?

FACTS:

-He was NOT a full time starter in college
-He had injury problems in college
-He was ranked lower than where he was drafted by most scouts.
-He is hurt AGAIN already and will miss the entire off season and training camp.
-This will also hinder his ability to get on the field and is already behind for this year.
-As you said, Weems was supposed to be the swing this year. Not a major area of need.
-They got lucky and signed what some said was the top lineman in the draft
-They didnt take a RB which they understand and everyone understands was a high position of need.

What part of ANY of these facts make you jump for joy at the pick?

As I stated prior, for my money I didnt like the pick then, and I sure as heck dont like it now. And I am speculating that had they known they were going to get Collins, they take the RB there.

Nothing you say can change my stance here. If you love the pick, good for you. But you trying to justify the pick the way you have seems rather homerish and short sighted.

 

[CowboyRoy]

They both went before the Cowboys pick.

Yep, thats why I said I would have traded up.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yep, thats why I said I would have traded up.

Did you check out what Seattle gave up to move from #95 to #69? They gave up their 3rd (95th overall), 4th (112th overall), 5th (167th overall) and 6th (181st overall). If you wanted Tevin Coleman or really even Duke Johnson, we'd have to jump from #91 to at least #72, assuming that pick was available, which means we likely have to give up a similar package to Seattle.

If you wanted to give up only a 5th, it likely means you targeted David Johnson and I don't think he was worth trading up for.

 

[CashMan]

Yep, thats why I said I would have traded up.

Go back 5 posts, I addressed the trading.