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[Nightman]

I think that any good back can do well behind this line in this offense. But these same cats that have injury problems continue to be dinged up. Even if they werent, I would be looking at good backs when cut downs happen. Which I am sure they will be.

What about when the OL gets injured. Everyone acts like we can throw anyone back at RB and succeed.

At least Murray was productive before this OL became 'great'.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think that any good back can do well behind this line in this offense. But these same cats that have injury problems continue to be dinged up. Even if they werent, I would be looking at good backs when cut downs happen. Which I am sure they will be.

I'm sure the Cowboys will be looking as well. Hard to say who will be out there.

 

[Knotamus]

I'm pulling for Randle and McFadden but I will say McFadden injuries are a concern. You name Murray and in 2 of his 4 years your right he dealt with injuries difference is McFadden has been in the league for 7 season and has yet to post a great season. Career numbers in 7 years McFadden has 4,247 with 25 TD. In 4 years Murray has 4,526 yards and 28 TD despite playing 3 fewer years.

I see your point and I've heard this debate several times from others...And I may eat crow after this season. The problem with this argument to me is.. You can't compare their stats because of how historically awful the Oakland Raiders as a team is. The Raiders haven't had a winning season since 2002, their record since McFadden was drafted is 37-75, and they've had one of the worst OL in football for awhile now. Unless your Barry Sanders, all running backs are going to look bad and be injury prone when your being hit three yards behind the line on almost every handoff. And the fact that the opposing defenses knew that McFadden was Oaklands only big play threat... Well, all they had to do was zero in on him, hence the probability of injuries. That won't happen here in Dallas. With the likes of Romo, Witten, Dez, Beasley, and our top notch OL will keep defenders at bay. This will allow McFadden to finally get the chance to showcase his speed on a quality team. And the fact that he'll be sharing the load with Randle, should preserve him for the long haul. Maybe I'm a fool, but I love what the FO has done over the last few years and aren't pressured by what us "coach coaches" think. #GoCowboys

I wanted to add.. Subtract last year when Murray actually stayed healthy hisself.. Stats look like this

3 years- 2681yds 15tds.. That's not superstar stats by any means. So let's give our present RBs a chance to run behind the same OL, bc believe it or not... They made a HUGE difference.

 

[Doomsday101]

I see your point and I've heard this debate several times from others...And I may eat crow after this season. The problem with this argument to me is.. You can't compare their stats because of how historically awful the Oakland Raiders as a team is. The Raiders haven't had a winning season since 2002, their record since McFadden was drafted is 37-75, and they've had one of the worst OL in football for awhile now. Unless your Barry Sanders, all running backs are going to look bad and be injury prone when your being hit three yards behind the line on almost every handoff. And the fact that the opposing defenses knew that McFadden was Oaklands only big play threat... Well, all they had to do was zero in on him, hence they probability of injuries. That won't happen here in Dallas. With the likes of Romo, Witten, Dez, Beasley, and out top notch OL will keep defenders at bay. This will allow McFadden to finally get the chance to showcase his speed on a quality team. And the fact that he'll be sharing the load with Randle, should preserve him for the long haul. Maybe I'm a fool, but I love what the FO has done over the last few years and aren't pressured by what us "coach coaches" think. #GoCowboys

I wanted to add.. Subtract last year when Murray actually stayed healthy hisself.. Stats look like this

3 years- 2681yds 15tds.. That's not superstar stats by any means. So let's give our present RBs a chance to run behind the same OL, bc believe it or not... They made a HUGE difference.

I'm hoping the best for McFadden, I don't care about the putting down of a player who actually produced. The one constant around here is Murray was nothing I don't buy that for a second, when given the chance he produced.

As for Randle and McFadden I am in their corner, I want to see them produce and it is their job to show it and prove it. Fans saying how great they are? Based on what? I want nothing more than for them to have success because in doing so the Cowboys are a better team.

 

[Knotamus]

I'm hoping the best for McFadden, I don't care about the putting down of a player who actually produced. The one constant around here is Murray was nothing I don't buy that for a second, when given the chance he produced.

As for Randle and McFadden I am in their corner, I want to see them produce and it is their job to show it and prove it. Fans saying how great they are? Based on what? I want nothing more than for them to have success because in doing so the Cowboys are a better team.

Don't get me wrong.. I wasn't trying to put Murray down. I would have been happy to see him back too bc he did produce. But I'm not going to act like some on here and act like he was the best running back in football. And I personally would have been just as worried about Murray staying healthy as I am with McFadden.

Quick question.. I'm curious. How good do you think Murray would be at this point in his career if he was playing in Oakland all this time. I gaurantee he wouldn't of lead the league in rushing last year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He'll be available soon. He's stinking it up in Miami.

What are you hearing. I live in SF and havent heard much. He got a lot of press as a steal in the draft for them. Lamar Miller is the starter here so there was no chance for him to start this year unless of injury.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What about when the OL gets injured. Everyone acts like we can throw anyone back at RB and succeed.

At least Murray was productive before this OL became 'great'.

Murray was absolutely 100% NOT great before last year. Productive is no reason to give 9 million per year for 5 years.

 

[Doomsday101]

Don't get me wrong.. I wasn't trying to put Murray down. I would have been happy to see him back too bc he did produce. But I'm not going to act like some on here and act like he was the best running back in football. And I personally would have been just as worried about Murray staying healthy as I am with McFadden.

Quick question.. I'm curious. How good do you think Murray would be at this point in his career if he was playing in Oakland all this time. I gaurantee he wouldn't of lead the league in rushing last year.

Chances are your right he would not lead the league, chances are some of the great back to play the game would not have lead the league in rushing in Oakland. Having said that I do think Murray is one of the better RB in the league and an all around RB to boot.

I like McFadden, I like him when he was at Arkansas as well. While people bring up injuries and that is a legit point to me it is the type of injuries that are different. Murray missed time with a broken ankle and a sprained MCL clearly injuries that can sideline a player but with McFadden and his history of hamstring it is a concern, for many players they never seem to be able overcome hamstring issues and they plague them through out their careers. I loved when Miles Austin was here but as sure as my job takes taxes out of my paycheck so to you could expect Austin to have hamstring problems in the course of the season that took him out of the lineup

 

[Doomsday101]

Murray was absolutely 100% NOT great before last year. Productive is no reason to give 9 million per year for 5 years.

1sr Murray is not getting 9 mill a year, it is 8 mill a year which still puts him below backs like Peterson, Jamal Charles, Lynch and Foster. 2nd. 2013 he was a top 10 RB despite the fact he got a lot less carries than they guys ahead of him and made the Pro Bowl.

 

[Stash]

I see your point and I've heard this debate several times from others...And I may eat crow after this season. The problem with this argument to me is.. You can't compare their stats because of how historically awful the Oakland Raiders as a team is. The Raiders haven't had a winning season since 2002, their record since McFadden was drafted is 37-75, and they've had one of the worst OL in football for awhile now. Unless your Barry Sanders, all running backs are going to look bad and be injury prone when your being hit three yards behind the line on almost every handoff. And the fact that the opposing defenses knew that McFadden was Oaklands only big play threat... Well, all they had to do was zero in on him, hence the probability of injuries. That won't happen here in Dallas. With the likes of Romo, Witten, Dez, Beasley, and our top notch OL will keep defenders at bay. This will allow McFadden to finally get the chance to showcase his speed on a quality team. And the fact that he'll be sharing the load with Randle, should preserve him for the long haul. Maybe I'm a fool, but I love what the FO has done over the last few years and aren't pressured by what us "coach coaches" think. #GoCowboys

I wanted to add.. Subtract last year when Murray actually stayed healthy hisself.. Stats look like this

3 years- 2681yds 15tds.. That's not superstar stats by any means. So let's give our present RBs a chance to run behind the same OL, bc believe it or not... They made a HUGE difference.

Any attempt to blame McFadden's injuries on the Oakland team is the weakest of cases. He's been hurt twice in Dallas already and nobody's touched him!

 

[CowboyRoy]

1sr Murray is not getting 9 mill a year, it is 8 mill a year which still puts him below backs like Peterson, Jamal Charles, Lynch and Foster. 2nd. 2013 he was a top 10 RB despite the fact he got a lot less carries than they guys ahead of him and made the Pro Bowl.

Ok........Productive is no reason to give 8 MILLION per season for 5 years. Top 10 is NO REASON to give 8 million per season for 5 years.

In my opinion, Murray was absolutely not worth anything close to that. 5 million possibly for 3 year tops?

When Murray ran for 1800 yards and it over inflated his value, he was done in Dallas. Its also not just Murray, it is the RB position in general.

 

[Knotamus]

Chances are your right he would not lead the league, chances are some of the great back to play the game would not have lead the league in rushing in Oakland. Having said that I do think Murray is one of the better RB in the league and an all around RB to boot.

I like McFadden, I like him when he was at Arkansas as well. While people bring up injuries and that is a legit point to me it is the type of injuries that are different. Murray missed time with a broken ankle and a sprained MCL clearly injuries that can sideline a player but with McFadden and his history of hamstring it is a concern, for many players they never seem to be able overcome hamstring issues and they plague them through out their careers. I loved when Miles Austin was here but as sure as my job takes taxes out of my paycheck so to you could expect Austin to have hamstring problems in the course of the season that took him out of the lineup

I'm with you all the way with the hamstring concerns. I cringe everytime I hear the word.. I cringed when I read it just now. That's a legit concern and I think Cowboy fans are extra sensitive bc of what we seen happen to Miles. I loved Miles Austin, but he couldn't run a route without coming up lame. I'm hoping the trainers have a grasp of it and I think that's why they're being cautious about bringing him back too early. Hell, it's a long season(not long enough to fans though, we know he can be dangerous (when healthy), so I hope they take their time with him. But I will added that Murray has been sidelined too along by with most of the top RBs that came out of this draft. Injuries are going to happen... I just wish people would quit acting like the RBs we have are garbage. They are actually really good backs and have been proven that over the last couple of days in camp..

 

[CowboyRoy]

Chances are your right he would not lead the league, chances are some of the great back to play the game would not have lead the league in rushing in Oakland. Having said that I do think Murray is one of the better RB in the league and an all around RB to boot.

I like McFadden, I like him when he was at Arkansas as well. While people bring up injuries and that is a legit point to me it is the type of injuries that are different. Murray missed time with a broken ankle and a sprained MCL clearly injuries that can sideline a player but with McFadden and his history of hamstring it is a concern, for many players they never seem to be able overcome hamstring issues and they plague them through out their careers. I loved when Miles Austin was here but as sure as my job takes taxes out of my paycheck so to you could expect Austin to have hamstring problems in the course of the season that took him out of the lineup

If Randle got 400 carries this year and played all 16 games, he would also lead the league in rushing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm with you all the way with the hamstring concerns. I cringe everytime I hear the word.. I cringed when I read it just now. That's a legit concern and I think Cowboy fans are extra sensitive bc of what we seen happen to Miles. I loved Miles Austin, but he couldn't run a route without coming up lame. I'm hoping the trainers have a grasp of it and I think that's why they're being cautious about bringing him back too early. Hell, it's a long season(not long enough to fans though, we know he can be dangerous (when healthy), so I hope they take their time with him. But I will added that Murray has been sidelined too along by with most of the top RBs that came out of this draft. Injuries are going to happen... I just wish people would quit acting like the RBs we have are garbage. They are actually really good backs and have been proven that over the last couple of days in camp..

Umm............now way. NONE of our backs have PROVEN to be REALLY GOOD backs. Where are you getting this nonsense from?

"The last couple of days in camp"? Did you really just say that?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok........Productive is no reason to give 8 MILLION per season for 5 years. Top 10 is NO REASON to give 8 million per season for 5 years.

In my opinion, Murray was absolutely not worth anything close to that. 5 million possibly for 3 year tops?

When Murray ran for 1800 yards and it over inflated his value, he was done in Dallas. Its also not just Murray, it is the RB position in general.

I would not have gone 8 mill. I felt a deal of around 6 would be fair with incentives built in.
I have no complaints with Dallas not giving him the offer that Philly gave him. If anything I think Dallas could have done more early in the process to get him resigned but their rumored offer of around 4 mill was not going to get it done, hell even I knew that. However that is water under the bridge at this point and only concern is getting the production out of the RB we do have to help maintain balance within the offensive attack.

 

[Knotamus]

Any attempt to blame McFadden's injuries on the Oakland team is the weakest of cases. He's been hurt twice in Dallas already and nobody's touched him!

Ah ok. Well, hamstring pulls are the biggest injury this time of the year for all teams. Players get strains and pulls while getting in "football shape". Look around the league. Nice try shooting down an obvious observation that's been around for years. Good teams make average players look better, bad teams make good players look average. It's not rocket science and I didn't just think that up.. Most people already know this. Thanks for reading though.

 

[Doomsday101]

If Randle got 400 carries this year and played all 16 games, he would also lead the league in rushing.

I don't know that to be the case nor do I know if Randle is even capable of handing that type of work load. I like Randle and was glad on draft day when we picked him up. I felt he was more of a role player than a workhorse. He now has a chance to go out and show what he can do. I hope the best for him.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ah ok. Well, hamstring pulls are the biggest injury this time of the year for all teams. Players get strains and pulls while getting in "football shape". Look around the league. Nice try shooting down an obvious observation that's been around for years. Good teams make average players look better, bad teams make good players look average. It's not rocket science and I didn't just think that up.. Most people already know this. Thanks for reading though.

True but when a player has a history of this injury it does become more of a concern then say Dez tweeking his hamstring.

 

[Stash]

Ah ok. Well, hamstring pulls are the biggest injury this time of the year for all teams. Players get strains and pulls while getting in "football shape". Look around the league. Nice try shooting down an obvious observation that's been around for years. Good teams make average players look better, bad teams make good players look average. It's not rocket science and I didn't just think that up.. Most people already know this. Thanks for reading though.

Yeah, you try to excuse McFadden's terrible injury history by trying to blame it on the Raiders being a bad team and then try to categorize as a general principle that " most people already know"? No pal, that's a weak assumption that you're trying to make - and failing.

He very likely would have been more productive with a better supporting cast there, but nobody is disputing that. Just don't try to connect it to his injury history.

 

[Stash]

True but when a player has a history of this injury it does become more of a concern then say Dez tweeking his hamstring.

It's great to see another voice of reason in this conversation!