Chris Canty: Jerry makes no sense

Creeper said:
There is making sense and then there is making cents. As long as Jerry is making cents he doesn't worry about making sense.
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Really great summary of my sentiments.

He'll bring Amari Cooper in to save a losing season, thereby helping sell merch/tickets.

but he won't make the same splash to put us over the top when we actually have a shot at the SB.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
The Joneses own a business that happens to be a football team.

As long as they can print money they’re happy.
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It's a brand for them. Selling the brand, hyping the brand is what matters the most. Winning football games doesn't even factor into the top 5 of what is important for the Jones family.
 
atlantacowboy said:
He said it on espn radio in regard to Jerry’s contention that he’s good with the current roster and doesn’t feel the need to initiate any trade talks. Meanwhile , our division rival shuts down the leagues best offense and then goes out and makes a trade for an all-pro safety and all its costs is a player and 5th, 6th round picks. If these mid season acquisitions can be had so cheaply , why the heck is someone from Dallas not on the phone trying to improve the team?? It makes no sense. Gotta agree with canty here.
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We have an amateur GM.
You need to adjust your expectations.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
So why is this team 4-2 if the roster sucks?
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Who said the roster sucks? I said no such thing in any post in this thread.

I've been clear that Jerry and Stephen do just enough to stay relevant and not totally suck but they simply aren't adept at building more complete rosters. They just aren't. You got your feels as evidence, I have 25+ years of utter futility where we've amassed what, 4 or 5 playoff wins in two and half decades as my evidence?

That's not bad luck. That's inadequate GMing.
 
Majic said:
There is not enough churning of the roster.
Too much talk of extending players (Osa D Law). We've only played 6 games
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Jerry is loyal to a fault. I think part of his desire to extend his guys is that he sees it as validation of his/staff's supposed great drafting.
 
Majic said:
So the Cowboys haven't the urgency to make these moves. So Jerry doesn't want to win as much as the Eagles?

I think he does want to win, but only on his terms, his way of doing things.
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It's not that Jerry doesn't want to win, IMO. It's that Jerry overvalues his abilities to build a winner. Jerry's ego tends to overvalue how good the team he has built is. He's constantly talking himself into thinking this team is better than it is, that the play will get better eventually because he built a great team.

Roseman in Philly is a paranoid, OCD level type executive. He's always trying to get better. He's never satisfied that what he built is good enough. He's a tinkerer at times.
 
atlantacowboy said:
Great. If he swings some trades that get us to the Super Bowl , how is that not to his credit ?
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If I were to give Jerry the benefit of a doubt, which is unlikely, it could be said that this team is fatally flawed in more than one important position, so maybe keeping his powder dry is a nod to what they really think of this team's prospects. Many folks think that how this season pans out will determine if the coaching staff and QB get big fat extensions or not,,, maybe the front office is trying to NOT put lipstick on this pig.

Just playing devil's advocate, if it were up to me I'd be striving to make this team better no matter what, unforeseen factors can suddenly make you a contender (or not if you're not prepared).
 
Sydla said:
Who said the roster sucks? I said no such thing in any post in this thread.

I've been clear that Jerry and Stephen do just enough to stay relevant and not totally suck but they simply aren't adept at building more complete rosters. They just aren't. You got your feels as evidence, I have 25+ years of utter futility where we've amassed what, 4 or 5 playoff wins in two and half decades as my evidence?

That's not bad luck. That's inadequate GMing.
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Sorry you're right you didn't say it sucks. I hate when people put words in my mouth and I just did it to you so my mistake.

Uhhh...I find myself defending this front office a lot these past few days and they don't deserve it. I'm not defending their front office but I think there are some fans who do this every time Howie makes a move.

I get it. 25+ years. They have stunk. No NFC championship appearance. We know this. You know it I know it. Not good.

But I can't use past mistakes to knock this front office. The Campo years were terrible. But this team we all thought was a championship level team. We all thought we'd compete. Eagles lost talente and we brought in talent. Ultimately we have one more loss than the Eagles.

I'll always blame Jerry for the culture around here but I can't blame him for this roster right now. Maybe i'll feel different after the season. But as of right now I feel we have the best coaches we've had since Jimmy. We have one of the best rosters i've seen from this team in 25+ years.

49ers are considered the best team....they lose soon as Deebo can't play. I've seen this team win despite not having Dak, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith, Lamb, etc. for games.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Sorry you're right you didn't say it sucks. I hate when people put words in my mouth and I just did it to you so my mistake.

Uhhh...I find myself defending this front office a lot these past few days and they don't deserve it. I'm not defending their front office but I think there are some fans who do this every time Howie makes a move.

I get it. 25+ years. They have stunk. No NFC championship appearance. We know this. You know it I know it. Not good.

But I can't use past mistakes to knock this front office. The Campo years were terrible. But this team we all thought was a championship level team. We all thought we'd compete. Eagles lost talente and we brought in talent. Ultimately we have one more loss than the Eagles.

I'll always blame Jerry for the culture around here but I can't blame him for this roster right now. Maybe i'll feel different after the season. But as of right now I feel we have the best coaches we've had since Jimmy. We have one of the best rosters i've seen from this team in 25+ years.

49ers are considered the best team....they lose soon as Deebo can't play. I've seen this team win despite not having Dak, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith, Lamb, etc. for games.
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See that's the thing, I use past mistakes because the evidence is so overwhelming. We aren't talking about a 5 year bad run here or 10 years. It's two and a half decades. I'd be more inclined to buy into the bad luck, bad injury scenario if we were talking about a smaller sample size here.

I won't be duped by these guys again. I will assume this team will peter out at some point this year because that's what they do and have done for 25 years. I am now in show me to make believe stage.

You also have way more faith in the coaching staff than I do. Being the "best" since Jimmy is basically the tallest midget in the room logic to me. McCarthy is mediocre. The OL coach doesn't appear to be doing a good job.
 
atlantacowboy said:
For a QB? Absolutely. If we play our cards right , we might be able to flip him for a lot more than 4th round pick. At least the anti-Dak crowd has a factual basis for opinion. You got nothing.
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Factual basis based on a BUST?

Yeah, color me surprised.
 
Sydla said:
See that's the thing, I use past mistakes because the evidence is so overwhelming. We aren't talking about a 5 year bad run here or 10 years. It's two and a half decades. I'd be more inclined to buy into the bad luck, bad injury scenario if we were talking about a smaller sample size here.

I won't be duped by these guys again. I will assume this team will peter out at some point this year because that's what they do and have done for 25 years. I am now in show me to make believe stage.

You also have way more faith in the coaching staff than I do. Being the "best" since Jimmy is basically the tallest midget in the room logic to me. McCarthy is mediocre. The OL coach doesn't appear to be doing a good job.
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Its tough for me to gauge the coaching because yeah I think the offensive line has been bad.....but is it a line being bad or is it the coaching? Because from what I see our younger guys like Tyler Smith seem to be getting rave reviews. Even Bass. Is it the product of a line getting older?

But I say this is the best coaching because for the most part guys are prepared. When a injury happens you have a young guy like Bell ready to ball. When Wilson is hurt you have a guy like Thomas out there knowing his role. I think Al Harris does a great job with the corners. I think Quinn does a great job with the defense despite taking hits with injuries. Dak misses 5 games....Rush comes in and contributes. There was a time when a guy was hurt it meant we would lose. Now its become a standard that when someone gets hurt someone will step up. As far as X's and O's.....I don't know what to expect there. Its early so maybe it gets better but when I heard "west coast offense" all offseason that concerned me. Not a fan of it in today's football nor Shottenheimers offense.

And I get it. You have to protect yourself. I never said we were a great team. I've programmed myself to just enjoy the ride because I can't do with the let downs.

I think we have the pieces in place. Eagles have been better but haven't faced the injuries we have. And ultimately the most healthy team find themselves in the SB every year. Teams usually don't take a hit to a player the caliber of Diggs and just find themselves in the SB.
 
America's Cowboy said:
You're OK with using a costly 4th round pick on a project? He's not even a project. He's a proven BUST! But, hey, as long as it appeases y'all anti-Dak feelings, I guess that 4th round pick (which could have been used on an actual starter) is ok, right?

You guys are hypocrites.
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Naw we can't do that. We can't call him a bust yet. I was on record for either signing him or trading a 7th rounder for him. I'm always gonna be a Dak fan but I have no issue with using a 4th rounder on Lance.

But it is costing us IMO. That 4th could've been used to acquire a veteran. No one thought about that when they were praising the move just happy that someone made Dak "expendable"(he doesn't but you know these guys). Those same guys who praised the deal are now mad we aren't doing anything. Well, we don't have a 4th rounder geniuses.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Naw we can't do that. We can't call him a bust yet. I was on record for either signing him or trading a 7th rounder for him. I'm always gonna be a Dak fan but I have no issue with using a 4th rounder on Lance.

But it is costing us IMO. That 4th could've been used to acquire a veteran. No one thought about that when they were praising the move just happy that someone made Dak "expendable"(he doesn't but you know these guys). Those same guys who praised the deal are now mad we aren't doing anything. Well, we don't have a 4th rounder geniuses.
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Oh my we don't have a fourth rounder the world is ending....
 
Nova said:
I have a different theory, but maybe that's the problem -- the mistakes have made Jerry gun shy.
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Well, he overpaid Detroit by a mile for Roy Williams. He overpaid for Amari. He’s just not good at the GM part of title. It requires a lot of time. Being the GM of a football team is a year round job that requires a lot of relationships around the league that Jerry doesn’t have the time or inclination to invest in. That’s why we re-sign so many of our vets and rarely make trades. It’s the path of least effort.
 
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