Clabo signs with Dolphins

[ufcrules1]

How many years is Parnell going to be "learning" while sitting? I mean it was his 3rd year in the league.

Disaster?

The kid played two games at LT and there was no disaster.

He played parts of four games at RT and there was no disaster.

Not sure if you fully read my post. I said if we just throw Parnell in hoping everything "works out", it could turn into a disaster.

I'm sorry but just because he played 2 games at LT and bits and pieces of 4 others games, does not mean he is necessarily ready to be our starting RT.

Don't forget, we have a huge 55 million investment in Romo. We wouldn't want to get him killed with a RT that has very little experience would we?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Funny, if it works we got "lucky"...

:laugh1:

Of course.

And then they'll list every bad offensive line draft pick since 1914 in order to "prove" their pro football acumen.

 

[jjktkk]

Well, now hold tight. I never said to get rid of Parnell or anything like that. What I would have preferred to see is us get rid of Free, sign Clabo and then let Parnell be his backup and learn for a year or 2.

Just throwing in Parnell this year and hoping everything works out could turn into a disaster.

You could be right, but sometimes you do have to take a risk imo. A scenario that could very well happen, is Parnell starts, but you have a vet. OT as your swing tackle. Someone who could potentially take over as RT. I could see this scenario happen, and it makes sense to me, given that Jerry and co. want to see what they have in Parnell. And like I said earlier, sometimes you need to take a risk, to see what you have.

 

[CATCH17]

And what 1st round offensive line talent was there at #31 or even #18 for that matter?

It's alway easiest to take the negative slant all the time because you're going to be right more often than you are wrong.

There was none and we reached for a guy.

So I don't see why he is so opposed to "throwing money" at players but approves of reaching for needs in the 1st round.


It's not a negative slant. It's the cold hard truth when it comes to our Oline situation.

We're going to have to get lucky and have some guys step up.

I see the upside with Parnell and we could mess around and get lucky with 4 guys but I just don't think it's likely.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Not sure if you fully read my post. I said if we just throw Parnell in hoping everything "works out", it could turn into a disaster.

I'm sorry but just because he played 2 games at LT and bits and pieces of 4 others games, does not mean he is necessarily ready to be our starting RT.

Don't forget, we have a huge 55 million investment in Romo. We wouldn't want to get him killed with a RT that has very little experience would we?

Sure it "could" work out that way.

But when a guy has already started collecting some skins on the wall like Parnell has... The chances of "disaster" have started to shrink.

 

[CATCH17]

Not sure if you fully read my post. I said if we just throw Parnell in hoping everything "works out", it could turn into a disaster.

I'm sorry but just because he played 2 games at LT and bits and pieces of 4 others games, does not mean he is necessarily ready to be our starting RT.

Don't forget, we have a huge 55 million investment in Romo. We wouldn't want to get him killed with a RT that has very little experience would we?

I know this is beating a dead horse but things would be so much easier right now had we not gave Romo money like he was a 2 time Superbowl Champ.

His contract is really frustrating.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There was none and we reached for a guy.

So I don't see why he is so opposed to "throwing money" at players but approves of reaching for needs in the 1st round.


It's not a negative slant. It's the cold hard truth when it comes to our Oline situation.

We're going to have to get lucky and have some guys step up.

I see the upside with Parnell and we could mess around and get lucky with 4 guys but I just don't think it's likely.

Being lucky is one of the variables needed to win in this sport.

And that's the cold hard truth.

 

[xwalker]

Frederick was rated by many as the top Center in the draft. I'm not sure that drafting him at #31 was that much of a "reach".

I have not seen any draft analysts or anybody else that thinks he will be a bust. Everybody appears to think that he will be a solid NFL player.

The only issue seems to be that some people believe that he would have been available at #47; however, most of the same people believed that Pugh and Long would be drafted later also.

IMO, Center is a premium position as compared to Guard. It is almost impossible to find a good Center in Free Agency. There are more quality Left Tackles that hit Free Agency than quality Centers.

I don't really care if Frederick was a "reach" pick or not. I'm only interested in his ability and how it affects the Cowboys OLine.

Frederick said that he spent a significant amount of time with Callahan prior to the draft. If Callahan approved of the pick, then I like it. The Cowboys have had the most problems with past draft picks when they didn't evaluate the mental-makeup of the player properly. I feel that they did a through evaluation of Frederick.

 

[CATCH17]

Frederick was rated by many as the top Center in the draft. I'm not sure that drafting him at #31 was that much of a "reach".

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.


Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

 

[Fansince64]

Being lucky is one of the variables needed to win in this sport.

And that's the cold hard truth.

No ..... you don't need luck to win - you need (some) luck to win it all (Super Bowl). What you need to win consistently is a good quarterback and a system (FO and coaching staff) who can acquire and properly use talent.

The prime example of this is New England. They have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Even with not so hot drafts the last few years, they have made the playoffs every year since 2000 except the year Brady got hurt. Even that year, they went 11-5 but lost out on tie breakers.

IMO, Dallas has had the quarterback to win consistently (since 2006, anyway) but the system (FO and coaching staff) have failed miserably.


Monte Sliger

 

[ufcrules1]

You could be right, but sometimes you do have to take a risk imo. A scenario that could very well happen, is Parnell starts, but you have a vet. OT as your swing tackle. Someone who could potentially take over as RT. I could see this scenario happen, and it makes sense to me, given that Jerry and co. want to see what they have in Parnell. And like I said earlier, sometimes you need to take a risk, to see what you have.

I get ya.. but we took some risks last year and that didn't work out too well. Our window is certainly closing. Not sure we have time to plug questionable players in and hope they stick.

 

[CF74]

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.


Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

Where on youtube?

 

[CF74]

No ..... you don't need luck to win - you need (some) luck to win it all (Super Bowl). What you need to win consistently is a good quarterback and a system (FO and coaching staff) who can acquire and properly use talent.

The prime example of this is New England. They have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Even with not so hot drafts the last few years, they have made the playoffs every year since 2000 except the year Brady got hurt. Even that year, they went 11-5 but lost out on tie breakers.

IMO, Dallas has had the quarterback to win consistently (since 2006, anyway) but the system (FO and coaching staff) have failed miserably.


Monte Sliger

It's kind of hard to win when you have multiple turnovers in elimination games...

 

[xwalker]

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.

He was down to 312 lbs at the combine from his listed playing weight of 338.

I think he played too heavy in 2012 for some reason. IMO, he will look much better playing at around 320 or 325 in the NFL.

IMO, Frederick had similar playing speed/quickness to Warmack in game footage from 2012. The upside is that Frederick was playing at around 338 with some reports saying 345; whereas, Warmack played at around 322. Frederick should be quicker with a 15 to 20 lb weight loss; whereas, Warmack will probably play at about the same weight in the NFL that he played at in college.

It will be the opposite with players like Pugh who will need to gain weight to play in the NFL. Pugh's playing speed will not be as good in the NFL as it was in college with an added 10 lbs.

 

[TheSport78]

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.


Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

I was very, very relieved when Pugh and Long were taken before our 31st pick.

I think Pugh is a bust...too short-armed to play tackle and not powerful enough to play guard.

Long has more upside but his off the field concerns were too much for me. I think he could develop into a solid tackle but I wouldn't have taken him in the 1st or 2nd. Also, didn't he only start 4 games for Oregon?

 

[ufcrules1]

No ..... you don't need luck to win - you need (some) luck to win it all (Super Bowl). What you need to win consistently is a good quarterback and a system (FO and coaching staff) who can acquire and properly use talent.

The prime example of this is New England. They have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Even with not so hot drafts the last few years, they have made the playoffs every year since 2000 except the year Brady got hurt. Even that year, they went 11-5 but lost out on tie breakers.

IMO, Dallas has had the quarterback to win consistently (since 2006, anyway) but the system (FO and coaching staff) have failed miserably.


Monte Sliger

I pretty much agree with everything you said minus the QB part. Now with that said, if we had a competent FO, solid system, and coaching staff, then maybe they could make it work with Romo by dramatically taking the ball out of his hands and relying more on our run game/defense.

 

[CATCH17]

Where on youtube?

Yep...

There is plenty of video out there of him to make a good assessment.

 

[jjktkk]

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.

Sorry, this statement does not makes sense to me. Why do you think the drafting of Frederick does not addresss the Oline?[/quote]

Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

So your okay with the Giants and Bears reaching for Pugh and Long respectively, just because of their athetic ability? Why is it okay for Chicago and the N.Y. Giants to reach for a player they like? It seems you just personally do not like the Frederick pick.[/quote]

 

[speedkilz88]

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.


Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

You can go back to 2000 and beyond and every top center went in the first two rounds.


2000 (60) Brad Meester Jags
2001 (50) Dominic Riola Lions
2002 (37) Andre Gurode Cowboys (44) LeCharles Bentley Saints
2003 (21) Jeff Faine Browns
2004 (45) Jake Grove Raiders
2005 (26) Chris Spencer Seahawks
2006 (29) Nick Mangold Jets
2007 (59) Ryan Kalil Panthers
2008 (59) Chris Pollack Colts
2009 (21) Alex Mack Browns
2010 (18) Maurkice Pouncey Steelers
2011 (15) Mike Pouncey Dolphins
2012 (55) Peter Konz Falcons
2013 (31) Travis Frederick Cowboys

 

[ufcrules1]

I know this is beating a dead horse but things would be so much easier right now had we not gave Romo money like he was a 2 time Superbowl Champ.

His contract is really frustrating.

Ya, beating a dead horse. :horse: As you know, I agree with that though. I would have rathered re-built the team while the getting was good. Hopefully I was wrong.