Clabo signs with Dolphins

[CF74]

Yep...

There is plenty of video out there of him to make a good assessment.

How many days of video did you watch? Or hours?

 

[jjktkk]

You would be in the minority and just because he was the top rated center doesn't mean he is a 1st round talent.

I wish I could say I see a 1st round talent but he looks like a 3rd round guy to me.


After they made the pick I expected to see a lot more when I first went to go watch him but he just isn't a complete enough package to call a 1st rounder and you'd be pushing it to give him a mid 2nd round grade.


Dallas just made this pick so they could say look we addressed the Oline.


Of course if he turns out to be a solid piece than we'll take it because we need any help we can get.

He's gotta get himself in better condition though.


Also I agree that Pugh and Long aren't first round talents but their athletic ability gives them nice upside.

I get ya.. but we took some risks last year and that didn't work out too well. Our window is certainly closing. Not sure we have time to plug questionable players in and hope they stick.

You have a very valid concern. If Parnell, or whoever the RT is, fails to at least be solid, Jerry should get slammed.

 

[CATCH17]

Sorry, this statement does not makes sense to me. Why do you think the drafting of Frederick does not addresss the Oline?

So your okay with the Giants and Bears reaching for Pugh and Long respectively, just because of their athetic ability? Why is it okay for Chicago and the N.Y. Giants to reach for a player they like? It seems you just personally do not like the Frederick pick.[/quote][/QUOTE]


No.. Frederick did address the O-line.

I just think Jerry felt so much pressure from the fans to make the Oline pick that he reached for it and then he went back to drafting the way he normally does throughout the rest of the draft.


I'm not okay with the Giants and Bears picks either but I see the upside with them because they have good feet.

A linemen with good feet & balance is like a receiver with elite speed. You either have it or you don't. You can get stronger. You can't really get more athletic.

 

[CF74]

You have a very valid concern. If Parnell, or whoever the RT is, fails to at least be solid, Jerry should get slammed.

The guy is immune to it because it happens daily...

 

[speedkilz88]

So your okay with the Giants and Bears reaching for Pugh and Long respectively, just because of their athetic ability? Why is it okay for Chicago and the N.Y. Giants to reach for a player they like? It seems you just personally do not like the Frederick pick.

No.. Frederick did address the O-line.

I just think Jerry felt so much pressure from the fans to make the Oline pick that he reached for it and then he went back to drafting the way he normally does throughout the rest of the draft.


I'm not okay with the Giants and Bears picks either but I see the upside with them because they have good feet.

A linemen with good feet & balance is like a receiver with elite speed. You either have it or you don't. You can get stronger. You can't really get more athletic.

So Jerry had the foresight to make sure the scouts ranked Frederick #22 overall because he just knew there was going to be a run on OL and he needed to reach for one? Some of you guys are insane.

 

[CATCH17]

How many days of video did you watch? Or hours?

Not many but it doesn't take very many days or hours to see what kind of an athlete the guy is.

Physical strengths and weaknesses jump out pretty quick.

 

[xwalker]

I was very, very relieved when Pugh and Long were taken before our 31st pick.

I think Pugh is a bust...too short-armed to play tackle and not powerful enough to play guard.

Long has more upside but his off the field concerns were too much for me. I think he could develop into a solid tackle but I wouldn't have taken him in the 1st or 2nd. Also, didn't he only start 4 games for Oregon?

Pugh was the biggest reach in the draft, IMO.

 

[speedkilz88]

Pugh was the biggest reach in the draft, IMO.

According to Broaddus the Cowboys had Pugh one pick ahead of Frederick. That it was Long that they had as a 3rd round pick.

 

[TheSport78]

Pugh was the biggest reach in the draft, IMO.

No doubt, and Long is right there with him.

Huge reaches...funny how the media doesn't slam NYG or CHI.

 

[CATCH17]

So Jerry had the foresight to make sure the scouts ranked Frederick #22 overall because he just knew there was going to be a run on OL and he needed to reach for one? Some of you guys are insane.

These guys play out hundreds of scenarios before the draft.

I'm sure drafting Frederick in a trade down was in the disaster plan.

We were pretty willing to swap picks with San Fran. I think it's pretty clear they had a trade agreement before the draft.

So they probably said if we trade back and all of the guys we want are gone who do we take? Enter Frederick.

He fits a need and you can get people to buy into it because most fans wanted the Oline addressed as did I.

 

[Galian Beast]

These guys play out hundreds of scenarios before the draft.

I'm sure drafting Frederick in a trade down was in the disaster plan.

We were pretty willing to swap picks with San Fran. I think it's pretty clear they had a trade agreement before the draft.

So they probably said if we trade back and all of the guys we want are gone who do we take? Enter Frederick.

He fits a need and you can get people to buy into it because most fans wanted the Oline addressed as did I.

Fans want to have their cake and eat it too. If they drafted Elam or Cyprien at 31 and Frederick is gone before 47, and the Cowboys didn't get a starter on the roster... mark it down... game over. Meltdown.

 

[CF74]

Not many but it doesn't take very many days or hours to see what kind of an athlete the guy is.

Physical strengths and weaknesses jump out pretty quick.

IC...

I believe he would have been long gone by our 2nd pick, the Cowboys made the right choice...

 

[CATCH17]

Fans want to have their cake and eat it too. If they drafted Elam or Cyprien at 31 and Frederick is gone before 47, and the Cowboys didn't get a starter on the roster... mark it down... game over. Meltdown.

Well when you start reaching then you start giving up quality.


I was fine with quantity in this draft but we got screwed on the trade down and then we reached on the pick to top it off.


I think we got good players though but our weakness is still the same as last year.

We just gotta get lucky with our talent thats here. Even with Frederick. Some of you guys have penciled him in as a quality player but I wouldn't bank on him being that as a Rookie.

 

[Idgit]

These guys play out hundreds of scenarios before the draft.

I'm sure drafting Frederick in a trade down was in the disaster plan.

We were pretty willing to swap picks with San Fran. I think it's pretty clear they had a trade agreement before the draft.

So they probably said if we trade back and all of the guys we want are gone who do we take? Enter Frederick.

He fits a need and you can get people to buy into it because most fans wanted the Oline addressed as did I.

They definitely had the trade worked out before the draft. I haven't heard anything that would make me believe Frederick was a consolation prize at that point, though. He was one of several players they would have been content with in the trade down, and happened to be the last interior OL available for that pick. But, since they were pretty sure there was going to be good value there with the third they picked up, it was a trade they were comfortable with.

 

[03EBZ06]

Well according to ESPN Dallas, no serious offer, or even an offer was made to Clabo's agent so i guess its safe to assume that Cowboys weren't all that interested in signing Clabo.

The Cowboys made only phone calls to the agents for Bryant McKinnie and Tyson Clabo and never really got down the road on negotiations with either player. It’s the same story for Eric Winston.

 

[DBOY3141]

Pugh was the biggest reach in the draft, IMO.

If the trade to SF had not happened, Pugh may have been the pick at 18.

I'm sure all the mediots would be screaming what a reach if that had occurred.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

8-8 here we come...

As opposed to what? 8-8 with Clabo? I guy like Clabo is not going to get you anymore wins.

 

[CATCH17]

As opposed to what? 8-8 with Clabo? I guy like Clabo is not going to get you anymore wins.

You could say that about all linemen but he would've made our offensive unit just a little better at protecting Romo.

It's going to take an effort of 5 guys being on the same page.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

You could say that about all linemen but he would've made our offensive unit just a little better at protecting Romo.

It's going to take an effort of 5 guys being on the same page.

A good line does require the line to be on the same page, hence why it's better to develop a line over time rather than throw money at aging vets.

 

[tupperware]

And, once again, you add nothing to the discussion.

And by the way, is there anything more annoying than the guy who laughs at his own bad joke?

Yes. People who think the Cowboys FO can do no wrong. :laugh2: