Claiborne in person is worse than on TV

[TheMarathonContinues]

Exactly. On the ball that was overthrown he was in position and played the ball perfectly. If the ball had been underthrown he would have broken in on it and had an even easier interception.

Right. Its ridiculous now.

The guy was directly responsible for 2 TDs today.

What if, and I know this is crazy, it's NOT CZ over-reacting to bad play?

I'm not disagreeing he struggled. But this whole thing with Claiborne has been going on for 2 or 3 seasons now. People complained about his play in the 1st two games of this season and he wasn't nearly as bad as he was today.

I'm not making excuses for him. I've actually come to grips that he will never live up to his draft status and at best he may simply be just a average to decent corner in this league. So this is not me advocating he'll be a player. He may very well be one but I don't see it.

But my point is, he gets a much tougher break here than any other player due to his draft position.

There's no secret the guy didn't get any preseason reps. IT may not matter but I would like to judge him officially on a whole season as opposed to 3 games.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

not really surprised since its proven he doesnt have the brains. you MUST have brains to be a corner or secondary. its not like DT where you just push and rush. secondary requires you read the QB, plan, anticipate, execute.

I'd be careful to say someone doesn't have "brains". Especially if your only evidence of that is a wonderlic score.

 

[kevm3]

I like how people claim Claiborne is always trailing players but when he actually isn't and get's a pick its a "overthrow". The guy struggled today. But now it has gotten to the point where you discredit him for even the good plays he made?

There was another play where he jumped a bit early but played the ball well as well.

The guy is struggling. I don't think he's as struggling as Zoners will like for you to believe. He's just that new scapegoat.

But next week if he's struggling there's no shame in benching him for Claiborne or Moore but with the Aint's coming into town....you probably are going to be in nickel most of the game anyway.

Exactly. This just fills in the need for the need for a new scapegoat. I remember the whipping boy a couple of years back of 'fat and lazy Felix Jones' . We let him go and still went 8 and 8. Where was the massive improvement when he left? How about how we'd be better once mouthy Martellus Bennett or troublesome Terrell Owens were gone from the team? Most people were angry that Scandrick got the contract from Jerry that he did because back then, Scandrick sucked, and now all of a sudden he's the golden child around here.

Claiborne has some decent games and he has some bad ones. He's not spectacular, but he's decent. Should he be better given his draft position? Probably... but where is Dre Kirkpatrick? Anyone see how Janoris Jenkins just got roasted by Dez? If Jenkins was here, we'd hear complaints about how thuggish Jenkins is and how he's getting made a fool of. People are saying Carr sucks as well. The fact of the matter is, no matter which corner you bring here, they won't like what they do on other teams because there is little to no surrounding talent. You bring Richard Sherman here and he won't be the Richard Sherman on the Seahawks because we have no one that gets to the QB and we don't have great safeties. Having Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas backing you up is huge, just as is having someone that can get to the QB. Football is a game of synergy. Isn't it amazing how much better Murray and our running backs look when they have someone that can actually block for them? It's the same thing with the CB position. Have a line that doesn't give the QB an hour to throw the ball or actually have some top notch safeties and Claiborne looks a lot better.

Today he didn't play well at all, but he made a play that sealed the game. Talking about his intelligence and how he's dumb is quite foul. I remember how people on here were talking about how dumb Dez is because he couldn't learn his routes and that he's thuggish and might need to be traded. Now all of a sudden, everyone loves Dez.

 

[wileedog]

But my point is, he gets a much tougher break here than any other player due to his draft position. .

Its his 3rd season of this.. ahem... stuff.

And of course he gets more criticism due to his draft status, major resources were spent that could have made the team better elsewhere to acquire a press-coverage player who is not actually very good at press coverage. Or zone. Or football.

Its not his fault where he was drafted, but the team is that much worse because he is an obvious bust. I don't necessarily blame him, its the GM's fault, but it doesn't mean we should excuse 58 minutes of terrible football because he intercepted an overthrown ball today.

This isn't one game. And after teams watch the tape of this one expect him to be more and more of a target this year.

 

[viman96]

Claiborne seems to have lost what ever edge he had coming out of college. He is out of position way too much. I'm surprised they let him line up as much as they do.

Anyone notice when Quick beat him for the TD that when he got off the ground complaining to the refs like he was pushed? He just flat out got beat. His tough act over over the Summer was just a bunch of false bravado.

 

[The Natural]

Claiborne seems to have lost what ever edge he had coming out of college. He is out of position way too much. I'm surprised they let him line up as much as they do.

Anyone notice when Quick beat him for the TD that when he got off the ground complaining to the refs like he was pushed? He just flat out got beat. His tough act over over the Summer was just a bunch of false bravado.

"bring Dez over here!"

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Claiborne seems to have lost what ever edge he had coming out of college. He is out of position way too much. I'm surprised they let him line up as much as they do.

Anyone notice when Quick beat him for the TD that when he got off the ground complaining to the refs like he was pushed? He just flat out got beat. His tough act over over the Summer was just a bunch of false bravado.

I think he truly thought he was pushed off. There was minimal contact but nothing that should've been called.

 

[Lonestar94]

He looks like a kid out there playing with grown men.

Even when the camera zoomed in on his face, he looked scared. I don't think he's all there mentally, or not smart enough to grasp the play calls.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

On the long pass he allowed he didn't jam ther receiver at all. I noticed througout the game we weren't challenging them like we did last week. We played real soft in coverage. We can't do that next week.

On the TD....the receiver pushed off and that is where he got the separation and couldn't catch up. If that was a Dallas WR that did it he would have been flagged.

 

[RS12]

Sometimes the blind homerism goes waaaaaay off the deep end. Is there one person on this board who can say with a straight face that they wouldnt like a redo on the 2012 draft? Yah, thats what I thought.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I gotta say I really like Patmon's tenacity. He's just got something. He may be horrible I don't know but when he had a helmet on and I was watching I really liked him.

 

[rkell87]

I like how people claim Claiborne is always trailing players but when he actually isn't and get's a pick its a "overthrow". The guy struggled today. But now it has gotten to the point where you discredit him for even the good plays he made?

There was another play where he jumped a bit early but played the ball well as well.

The guy is struggling. I don't think he's as struggling as Zoners will like for you to believe. He's just that new scapegoat.

But next week if he's struggling there's no shame in benching him for Claiborne or Moore but with the Aint's coming into town....you probably are going to be in nickel most of the game anyway.

when your WR jumps full out and it still doesn't touch his finger tips its an overthrow, good for clai he was there, but he wasn't in that spot because he's reading the QB, Ball flight, or anything else, he was once again out of position and would have been an easy catch on clai had it not been overthrown.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I thought claiborne was going to be a beast. I think honestly if he went o another team who took advantage of his attributes it would be a different story.

What attributes?

 

[Spectre]

Just got back from the game. Great win. Down 21-0 I was an unhappy camper. I will post my general thoughts in a separate thread but the horrid play of Mo deserves it's own thread. He is MUCH worse in person than on TV. I watched him on every snap and came away horrified. Yes, he got the pick at the end but that was nothing but an overthrow.

Deep speed= Nonew. He may be the slowest CB we have had since Anthony Henry. He can't catch anyone and WR's were constantly beating him down field. On top of his physical limitations he has no clue what he is doing. He spent half the game looking around for clues as to what he was supposed to do. One glaring play. I'll have to watch it to figure out where it was. But he was top of the field covering 13. A few seconds before the snap he started back peddling giving the WR a good 7-8 yard window to work with. At the last second he must have realized he was in the wrong coverage because he sprinted at full speed to the line, getting there as the ball was snapped. HE basically ran past the receiver, who was immediately six yards behind him. Luckily, Davis never saw it or it would have been another easy TD.

At best, he is the #4 CB on this team and for the money I would rather put Patmon out there. If we cut him tomorrow I would he a happy camper. Just an awful, awful player.

Rant over. Enjoyed the game. Love my fellow fans who showed up and packed the Jones dome!

I'm afraid you're right. Anthony Henry, however, was an excellent corner in my opinion. Mo looks terribly awkward, and lost. This guy is a major bust. I can't even see him starting anew with another team and succeeding. He looks unnatural, and plain goofy out there. I'm afraid he isn't very bright either. How the heck does this happen? (from college to draft to pros) What/how did he manage to conceal this all that time and be drafted/coveted so highly? Props for the INT today, but that was a gimme and can't be allowed to overshadow his apparent ineptitude throughout the rest of the game.

 

[Hoofbite]

On the long pass he allowed he didn't jam ther receiver at all. I noticed througout the game we weren't challenging them like we did last week. We played real soft in coverage. We can't do that next week.

Which made his protesting for an offensive push off all the more confusing. There was almost zero contact on the play.

 

[Blackspider214]

One of the worst draft blunders we have had in a long time. Never liked it when we did it but I could not even imagine he would be this bad. He played alongside Peterson, whom was the real star at LSU. Mo got to cover all the 2nd and 3rd WRs, in a conference back then that was not known for their explosive offense. And he played on great defenses so he looked way better than what he was.

Claiborne/Carr have to be the worst tandem in the league. All they do is chase receivers. I'm glad to get a perspective from someone in person because you can't see the whole field on tv and what's happening in the defensive backfield.

Can't believe so many bought into him playing good in practice like that was going to translate into the real games. We need to move on from both of them as soon as we can.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

when your WR jumps full out and it still doesn't touch his finger tips its an overthrow, good for clai he was there, but he wasn't in that spot because he's reading the QB, Ball flight, or anything else, he was once again out of position and would have been an easy catch on clai had it not been overthrown.

Actually I don't even think it was a overthrow. A foolish throw but the receiver stopped his route for whatever reason.

This is the NFL. We know better than anyone how hard it is to come up with turnovers. Did you see the INT that Mincey had come directly in his hands? He made the pick. Just because you give him credit for it doesn't change a thing. He's still a underachieving corner for us. But when it was time to make a play he made it.

Dez scored a TD due to bad coverage by the Rams secondary. Do we discredit Dez for that TD because he was wide open?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Just got back from the game. Great win. Down 21-0 I was an unhappy camper. I will post my general thoughts in a separate thread but the horrid play of Mo deserves it's own thread. He is MUCH worse in person than on TV. I watched him on every snap and came away horrified. Yes, he got the pick at the end but that was nothing but an overthrow.

Deep speed= Nonew. He may be the slowest CB we have had since Anthony Henry. He can't catch anyone and WR's were constantly beating him down field. On top of his physical limitations he has no clue what he is doing. He spent half the game looking around for clues as to what he was supposed to do. One glaring play. I'll have to watch it to figure out where it was. But he was top of the field covering 13. A few seconds before the snap he started back peddling giving the WR a good 7-8 yard window to work with. At the last second he must have realized he was in the wrong coverage because he sprinted at full speed to the line, getting there as the ball was snapped. HE basically ran past the receiver, who was immediately six yards behind him. Luckily, Davis never saw it or it would have been another easy TD.

At best, he is the #4 CB on this team and for the money I would rather put Patmon out there. If we cut him tomorrow I would he a happy camper. Just an awful, awful player.

Rant over. Enjoyed the game. Love my fellow fans who showed up and packed the Jones dome!

Thanks for the recap. Only confirms what most of us were already thinking. Mo's 2nd contract talks would be interesting to sit in on. Stephen should have plenty of ammo for offering a low ball deal if we even offer him another deal.

 

[Hoofbite]

Thanks for the recap. Only confirms what most of us were already thinking. Mo's 2nd contract talks would be interesting to sit in on. Stephen should have plenty of ammo for offering a low ball deal if we even offer him another deal.

I almost think you have to try to offer him something (minimum preferably) in hopes that whatever got him such a high grade finally shows up. Put him at the bottom of the depth chart for low, low money and hope it clicks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thanks for the recap. Only confirms what most of us were already thinking. Mo's 2nd contract talks would be interesting to sit in on. Stephen should have plenty of ammo for offering a low ball deal if we even offer him another deal.

I wondered about this. Like, let's say Claiborne and Carter would continue to play like they've been which is flashes at times and inconsistent play. Wouldn't you want to bring them back on a low ball offer just for depth? But then again.....this is the NFL and I don't think there's a low ball offer when it comes to free agency. What you won't pay someone else will.