Cleveland pick in 08: Please give us this guy!

[The30YardSlant]

It does give off that happy in the pants feeling, doesnt it

 

[The30YardSlant]

There is some harm done. A vertebrae shifting and putting pressure on a nerve is not a normal occurrence. Obviously there is harm done. A nerve is not designed to have pressure put on it, so you feel pain what it happens. And it makes no difference what the treatment is, or what healthcare will cover, it's still an injury.

And McCoy wasn't "as good as new" 3-4 weeks later in the bowl game. So obviously it wasn't as simple as you described it.

See, that's exactly it, there IS no harm done.

 

[silverbear]

McCoy didnt hurt his shoulder, he had a stinger, which by definition is not an injury.

Your QB was carted off the field for a pinched nerve. He's a puss.

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've read this year...

So, a pinched nerve is nothing, eh?? It's not an "injury"??

I guess you got your medical degree at A&M... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

 

[silverbear]

Yes, I've had a pinched nerve (twice), both in high school and both playing football. Neither one kept me out more than a quarter.

Now, if I, a 6'0", 175 pound DB with limited athleticism and even more limited physical prowess, can play with a mild stinger, then SURELY A starting D-1 QB can.

McCoy's was not a "mild" stinger... and DBs don't have to throw a football with their damaged shoulder, do they??

Contrarey to McCoy, Stephen McGee played 8 games last season with a torn tricep and never missed a play because of it.

Now, I'm no doctor, but methinks a torn muscle in your throwing arm would be far more of a hinderance to a QB than a stinger,

There are degrees of muscle tears, just as there are degrees of stingers... when one tears either the biceps or triceps muscle completely, one requires surgery to correct the problem... when one tears a muscle slightly, one can often shake that off rather quickly... indeed, what laymen often refer to as "pulled" muscles are actually slight muscle tears...

Never have torn my triceps, but I have torn hamstrings and calf muscles and such... some of them were no big deal, really, limp around a couple-three days, then things start to get better... some of them, you can't do jack for weeks (the hamstring tear I had comes to mind)...

Besides, I don't recall any of us saying that McGee isn't tough, we're mostly laughing at you for claiming that McCoy is somehow womanly because he couldn't finish a game with stinger in his throwing arm, and wasn't real effective two weeks later when he played his next game...

He was just fine by the time the Horns played their bowl game, though, wasn't he?? Certainly, he was better than McGee was in HIS bowl game...

That's about as stupid as you putting down Chris Simms' courage, when he finished a game with freakin' ruptured spleen...

It really is comical, watching you put down a quarterback for having a problem when he suffered a stinger in his throwing arm, suggesting that he somehow lacks courage... the truth is, we all revere Emmitt for finishing a game with a damaged shoulder against the Giants, and McCoy coming back to play in the Aggies game was that sort of courage... he showed clearly that he wasn't physically right, but he gutted that game out... and you suggest he's cowardly??

If this board allowed personal insults, you'd certainly deserve a ration of them right now for regaling us with that stupidity... it's one thing to be an Aggies homer, we expect silliness from them, because they all desperately wish that their football teams (and their basketball teams, and their baseball teams) can only dream of having the kind of success their Horns counterparts have had over the years... but you've crossed way over the line of sanity, and are now out there in la-la land...

If you had any credibility going into this thread, you've lost it all now... you're being laughed at in this thread, and not just by Horns fans...

 

[silverbear]

My definition is exactly the same as yours



There is no harm or damage done to any part of the human body when a nerve is pinched, it is simply a vertibrea that has shifted and is putting pressure on a nerve.

OK, time to educate the Aggie, since he's now running off at the mouth without knowing what he's talking about... here's the best definition I've found of a stinger, with specific rebuttals to your manure-pile arguments highlighted in bold font:

The injury occurs in 1 of 2 ways: either 1 of the nerves off the spinal cord in the neck is compressed as the head is forced backward and toward that side; or the nerves in the neck and shoulder are over-stretched as the head is forced sideways away from the shoulder. The athlete will experience sudden and severe painful, stinging sensations in 1 of his arms frequently lasting from seconds to minutes, occasionally hours and less frequently days or longer. There is often associated weakness of the muscles in the shoulder and arm that are supplied by the injured nerve

So, the vertebrae can be involved, but not necessarily, it could be caused by nerves in the neck and shoulder being overstretched... and given the way that McCoy got his stinger, in a pile down at the goal line, that looks like the most likely way he would have sustained the injury...

And the symptoms CAN be brief in duration, as yours obviously were (and the ones I've had were too), but they CAN be more serious, and last days... this appears to be the case for McCoy...

Finally, such an injury often leavnes the muscles in the shoulder and arm WEAK, which is obviously what McCoy was going through in that Aggies game... bottom line, with a healthy McCoy in that game, the Aggies get their heads handed to them...

Next, we learn the following:

A sideline evaluation will be conducted by the athletic trainer, physical therapist and/or team physician that will include: a determination of the mechanism of the injury, the symptoms experienced by the athlete, and the physical examination findings including assessment of muscle strength. A decision will be made whether or not the athlete is medically cleared to return to that contest. Persistence of symptoms, stiffness or loss of full range of neck motion, muscle spasm and weakness would usually keep the athlete out of competition.

Did you lose full range of neck motion, did you suffer muscle spasms?? Of course you didn't, or your coaches and trainers wouldn't have LET you back into the game (unless they were really, really bad at their jobs)...

Following an acute injury, the athlete is not allowed to return to competition to allow time for recovery.

Yours was obviously not "acute", or you would have not only missed the rest of that game, but another game or two as well...

I do hope that's not too much reality for your Aggie-educated brain to comprehend all at once, but I fear that will prove to be the case... the plain truth is, just because the stingers you suffered were of the mild variety, it doesn't logically follow that all stingers are so benign... you just got off lucky...

All of the above quotes, and even more information regarding stingers, can be found at the following link:

http://www.spine.org/articles/stingers.cfm

Here endeth the lesson...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've read this year...

So, a pinched nerve is nothing, eh?? It's not an "injury"??

I guess you got your medical degree at A&M... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Actually, I am about 1 semester away from graduating with a degree in Biomedical engineering with pre-med requirements from A&M, and plan on attending med school

 

[The30YardSlant]

It really is comical, watching you put down a quarterback for having a problem when he suffered a stinger in his throwing arm, suggesting that he somehow lacks courage... the truth is, we all revere Emmitt for finishing a game with a damaged shoulder against the Giants, and McCoy coming back to play in the Aggies game was that sort of courage... he showed clearly that he wasn't physically right, but he gutted that game out... and you suggest he's cowardly??

The key difference being that Emmitt pretty much owned the Giants defense that day and won the game, McCoy threw 3 INTs, was sacked 3 times and lost at home to a team with inferior talent

However, that is beside the point. Playing with a stinger is not courage. Playing with a seperated shoulder is an entirely different monster altogether

 

[silverbear]

See, that's exactly it, there IS no harm done.

Go learn something about stingers, you're making a fool of yourself...

Then again, you regularly make a fool of yourself, when you play the Aggies homer...

Longhorns, evil; Aggies, good... it really is that simple in your childlike mind, isn't it??

 

[silverbear]

It does give off that happy in the pants feeling, doesnt it

Somehow, it's easy for me to picture you wetting your pants, and smiling about it...

 

[The30YardSlant]

OK, time to educate the Aggie, since he's now running off at the mouth without knowing what he's talking about... here's the best definition I've found of a stinger, with specific rebuttals to your manure-pile arguments highlighted in bold font:

The injury occurs in 1 of 2 ways: either 1 of the nerves off the spinal cord in the neck is compressed as the head is forced backward and toward that side; or the nerves in the neck and shoulder are over-stretched as the head is forced sideways away from the shoulder. The athlete will experience sudden and severe painful, stinging sensations in 1 of his arms frequently lasting from seconds to minutes, occasionally hours and less frequently days or longer. There is often associated weakness of the muscles in the shoulder and arm that are supplied by the injured nerve

So, the vertebrae can be involved, but not necessarily, it could be caused by nerves in the neck and shoulder being overstretched... and given the way that McCoy got his stinger, in a pile down at the goal line, that looks like the most likely way he would have sustained the injury...

And the symptoms CAN be brief in duration, as yours obviously were (and the ones I've had were too), but they CAN be more serious, and last days... this appears to be the case for McCoy...

Finally, such an injury often leavnes the muscles in the shoulder and arm WEAK, which is obviously what McCoy was going through in that Aggies game... bottom line, with a healthy McCoy in that game, the Aggies get their heads handed to them...

I do hope that's not too much reality for your Aggie-educated brain to comprehend all at once, but I fear that will prove to be the case... the plain truth is, just because the stingers you suffered were of the mild variety, it doesn't logically follow that all stingers are so benign... you just got off lucky...

First of all, if the stinger were due to an hyperextension of the nerves, the surrounding tissue would also be hyperextended to the point of noticeable damage being done to them. This was not the case with McCoy, as the statements made by tu's team doctor will attest to.

His stinger was brought about by the shifting of a thoracic vertebrae resulting from hits suffered in the K-State game and was reaggrevated in the A&M game. This is not in any way a "serious" condition so long as the shift is not damaging the spinal nerves or causes the spinal column to severe (neither of which happened to McCoy).

 

[BouncingCheese]

Biscuits.

 

[DallasEast]

Biscuits.

Rosebud.

 

[silverbear]

Actually, I am about 1 semester away from graduating with a degree in Biomedical engineering with pre-med requirements from A&M, and plan on attending med school

And an A&M education claims another victim...

You might want to brush up on stingers before you take your medical boards, doctor...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Go learn something about stingers, you're making a fool of yourself...

Then again, you regularly make a fool of yourself, when you play the Aggies homer...

Longhorns, evil; Aggies, good... it really is that simple in your childlike mind, isn't it??

I know exactly what a stinger is and is not. You had to look it up, and even then could only provide a broad definition that in no way pertains to the particulars of McCoy's stinger. The type of stinger you described would be seen in someone who has hyperextended or torn a muscle in their neck or upper back, and there would be clearly visible damage. McCoy had no damage to any tissue anywhere in his body according to team doctors. So, either your team's medical staff sucks, or your half-@**** theory is incorrect

 

[silverbear]

The key difference being that Emmitt pretty much owned the Giants defense that day and won the game, McCoy threw 3 INTs, was sacked 3 times and lost at home to a team with inferior talent

That'll happen to you when you have no strength in your throwing arm and shoulder...

Playing with a stinger is not courage.

Playing with a serious stinger surely is, and anybody who suggests otherwise is utterly clueless about the realities of stingers... indeed, a responsible team doctor would INSIST that a player be held out if he suffered a serious stinger...

 

[The30YardSlant]

That'll happen to you when you have no strength in your throwing arm and shoulder...



Playing with a serious stinger surely is, and anybody who suggests otherwise is utterly clueless about the realities of stingers... indeed, a responsible team doctor would INSIST that a player be held out if he suffered a serious stinger...

Why would they? Playing with a stinger poses no medical risk to the player.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Rosebud.

:laugh2:

I don't have a dog in this fight.

Just a question; What does it matter if he did have a stinger?

 

[The30YardSlant]

:laugh2:

I don't have a dog in this fight.

Just a question; What does it matter if he did have a stinger?

It really doesnt, and in all honesty I care very little about whether or not McCoy will or won't be successful in the future.

It's just fun bantering back and forth with SB because he gets so into it, as if the internet were a serious matter. I'd just prefer he not go around spreading false medical pretense while he's at it is all.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't know how I know, but the writers of ER, House and Grey's Anatomy have read this thread and are going to somehow fit it's theme into each of their shows this fall...

 

[BouncingCheese]

It really doesnt, and in all honesty I care very little about whether or not McCoy will or won't be successful in the future.

It's just fun bantering back and forth with SB because he gets so into it, as if the internet were a serious matter. I'd just prefer he not go around spreading false medical pretense while he's at it is all.

Banter on! It's pretty funny :laugh1:

I can't wait to see Colt McCoy's Wonderlic Scores... he could be bright as far as I know but he sounds a bit

to me....