C'mon, why not upgrade at backup QB?

[AbeBeta]

Exactly. By this reasoning, we might as well let the punter or kicker be the backup QB. I mean, afterall, the season is over if Romo goes down. Why watse money on a backup?

The lovefest continues.

 

[philo beddoe]

Actually, yes I did.

I said "please" and I left out a very ugly word that I very much wanted to include.

I am tired of the two of you whining about this forum. The backlash isn't about the topic of backup QB. Go back and look at my thread posted at the exact same time as one of yours for proof. It got great responses. The backlash is about the two of you and your tag team act. Period.

Don't like the truth? Tough.

I do not routinely "whine" about this forum. You are incorrect about that. Maybe you should be addressing my friend, The Prophet. Not me.

 

[philo beddoe]

Johnson did not suffer a major concussion last season. Aikman was younger when a concussion ended his career. So was Steve Young. Both guys may have been able to continue playing, but head injuries are nothing to play around with. Green may be two years younger than Johnson, but that head injury may have changed him as a QB.

Do you want Dallas to trade a draft pick to KC and still pick up Green's hefty salary for him to be the back up? That just is not a smart move. If Green had not suffered a concussion, then maybe it would be a smart move. Then again, KC would probably not be looking to unload him if that were the case. It is not as if the Chiefs have a young QB. Huard will be 34 when the season starts. If Green is ultimately released, then Dallas can re-evaluate at that time. Of course that will be telling as well in that no team, even ones looking for a starter would be willing to trade for him.

I've never advocated bringing in Trent Green.

 

[philo beddoe]

As a starting QB, Johnson probably is done. As a back up, I think he's still got some life. If we have to go for more then 3 or 4 games without our starting QB, were Probably done anyway. For 3 or 4 games at a stretch, I think Johnson is probably a very capable option. Green is trying to be a starter in Miami. We don't need that. Honestly, I don't understand what the big deal is. We got a decent option at backup QB signed. Lots of teams can't say that right now. I guess I just don't get it.

Which teams are worse off than Dallas at backup QB????

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You want research? Do it yourself, I'm a little busy. I know what I know, and that is that you need a CAPABLE backup QB. A John Beck (or another rookie) could easily give us a better chance of winning than an old goat ready for the glue factory ala Johnson. Johnson offers no mobility or arm strength at this stage in his career. He's way past his prime.

I don't agree with this. Any young QB we bring in is going to have to learn the Pro game. That means a year or two learning curve. I'm not against bringing somebody in but honestly, we don't even know where Baker is at. For all we know, we have a young guy make progress now. To me, back ups need to have experience. They don't need to be fresh out of college.

 

[philo beddoe]

I would be very eager to get younger and better than Johnson (I still think there are several who are still available who could fit the bill), but I believe it is too late for another veteran. We are married to Johnson.

I will be very disappointed if we do not draft a rookie to compete.

Very good post. We MUST draft a QB with real potential--not just a camp arm.

 

[joseephuss]

Exactly. By this reasoning, we might as well let the punter or kicker be the backup QB. I mean, afterall, the season is over if Romo goes down. Why watse money on a backup?

Obviously, you are just being silly, but why waste money on a back up QB? Sure it is wise to invest in a decent back up, but why throw lots of unneccesary money into the position? That is what Trent Green would be if Dallas traded for him. He still cost quite a bit and in addition Dallas would have to lose a draft pick. That is wasting money.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't agree with this. Any young QB we bring in is going to have to learn the Pro game. That means a year or two learning curve. I'm not against bringing somebody in but honestly, we don't even know where Baker is at. For all we know, we have a young guy make progress now. To me, back ups need to have experience. They don't need to be fresh out of college.

I agree. I think the Dallas coaching staff wants to spend the time developing and working with Romo. Johnson is a guy who you don't need to develop he has a very good grasp of the game

 

[superpunk]

You want research? Do it yourself, I'm a little busy. I know what I know, and that is that you need a CAPABLE backup QB. A John Beck (or another rookie) could easily give us a better chance of winning than an old goat ready for the glue factory ala Johnson. Johnson offers no mobility or arm strength at this stage in his career. He's way past his prime.

philo - you (and to a lesser extent, TheProphet) are clearly the resident expert on backup QBs. I figured if anyone had this information handy, it would be you.

Given your enormous concern for the position, you have to have some sort of expectation as to how the backup QB should perform, when pressed into duty. I would expect someone of your learned stature to base those expectations on some sort of precedent, so I assumed you'd have this average-backup-QB-performance handy.

Surely your entire argument isn't based entirely on a QB simply being old - given the track record of longevity at that position?

So please, share the average winning pct. of backup QBs pressed into duty, so that we can have some point of reference. Or, just introduce what Brad Johnson has done when pressed into duty coming off the bench for an injured starter. Your enormous concern on this topic has to come from somewhere -maybe Johnson's prior performance as a backup has you worried?

I'm interested in your buddy TheProphet's research on this critical subject as well.

 

[joseephuss]

I've never advocated bringing in Trent Green.

I was basing this on the point of this whole thread. It started as a discussion of Green over Johnson.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You want research? Do it yourself, I'm a little busy. I know what I know, and that is that you need a CAPABLE backup QB. A John Beck (or another rookie) could easily give us a better chance of winning than an old goat ready for the glue factory ala Johnson. Johnson offers no mobility or arm strength at this stage in his career. He's way past his prime.

That's a cop out. It's not enough to scream and shout that someone sucks, you gotta put some meat into your posts. By sometimes following it up with data which backs up your point...and that's why SP asked you.

 

[AbeBeta]

That's a cop out. It's not enough to scream and shout that someone sucks, you gotta put some meat into your posts. By sometimes following it up with data which backs up your point...and that's why SP asked you.

Oh snap! WG 10 - Philo-Prophet 0 :whip:

 

[philo beddoe]

That's a cop out. It's not enough to scream and shout that someone sucks, you gotta put some meat into your posts. By sometimes following it up with data which backs up your point.

I don't "have to" do anything. I simply expressed my common sense, informed opinion. I have other things to do besides provide "research" to back up obvious facts. If that constitutes a "cop out", so be it. A lot of folks only hear what they want to, regardless of the facts.

 

[philo beddoe]

I don't agree with this. Any young QB we bring in is going to have to learn the Pro game. That means a year or two learning curve. I'm not against bringing somebody in but honestly, we don't even know where Baker is at. For all we know, we have a young guy make progress now. To me, back ups need to have experience. They don't need to be fresh out of college.

Fresh out of college may very well be better than a Brad Johnson on his last legs.

 

[philo beddoe]

Oh snap! WG 10 - Philo-Prophet 0 :whip:

"Oh snap". What is that? Hip slang? LOL

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't "have to" do anything. I simply expressed my common sense, informed opinion.

This is debatable, because you haven't really expressed anything that was informed. Your posts state Brad Johnson is old, arm is shot, and he's not a good backup for this time. I get that. I respect that. But why? Superpunk asked you some pointed questions about things that could've backed up your point and you state you don't have time.

I have other things to do besides provide "research" to back up obvious facts. If that constitutes a "cop out", so be it.

You have time to respond to EVERY post in this thread, but you don't have time to do a little digging to back up your point. It's so much easier to say you don't have time right now, but I'll do it later and get back to you. Basically, what your saying is you don't care to make time, because I prefer to just think what I think, I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I'm not interested in changing my mind. And if that's what you're about, cool.

A lot of folks only hear what they want to, regardless of the facts.

About the only thing I agree with, but when facts are presented, that expands the discussion, because you're no longer basing it on gut feelings.

But I get it, you don't do research. Cool. No problem.

 

[superpunk]

I don't "have to" do anything.

Obviously, friend. Noone is trying to force you into anything. It was a simple request, and IMO with just a quick glance at some of the backup QBs who have been pressed into duty, and their subsequent records - you could very quickly generate an expectation for Brad Johnson. I assumed this was how you came to your conclusion.

I simply expressed my common sense, informed opinion.

The only thing I'm asking for is your basis for this informed opinion. Certainly your history here dictates that we grant your opinion enormous respect, but sometimes we like to see some backup information before OUR minds are made over.

I'm very near to your way of thinking, friend. Your arguments are starting to sway me. A factual breakdown like the one I've requested (I assume you have this handy, given your strong feelings on the subject) could just be the straw that breaks the proverbial camel's back. I look forward to seeing your findings.

Make it a great day.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fresh out of college may very well be better than a Brad Johnson on his last legs.

The question here is one of probability. How probable is it that we can draft a QB in say the 4th rd that can come in and back up effectively this year. I'm not looking for "could happen" scenarios here. I'm looking for fair odds on the chances of that happening.

 

[Stash]

Sounds like baby throws a hissy-fit when his favorite team doesn't do exactly what he thinks they should.

And it continues to amaze me that this clueless trouble-maker is allowed to pollute this board with his adversarial nonsense.

Calling it like I see it.

 

[philo beddoe]

Sounds like baby throws a hissy-fit when his favorite team doesn't do exactly what he thinks they should.

And it continues to amaze me that this clueless trouble-maker is allowed to pollute this board with his adversarial nonsense.

Calling it like I see it.

Yes, and things have been done so "right" the last TEN years. LOL. Perhaps the team would be well advised to start consulting Philo Beddoe.