Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

[FanofJerry]

actually, if you don't 365x24x7x60x60 criticize dak, then you are a dak supporter.
on this board, even the kicker topic turns into a dak topic.

these dak haters are obsessed.....kind of worrisome for some of them.

actually, if you don't 365x24x7x60x60 criticize dak, then you are a dak supporter.
on this board, even the kicker topic turns into a dak topic.

these dak haters are obsessed.....kind of worrisome for some of them.

Gangs are bad. fact.

 

[J_Allen]

Philly's top 6 contracts are 193M average.
Detroit top 6 contract are 170M average.
GB top 6 contracts are 155M average


Cowboys top 6 contract are 167M average.

so how is those teams are competitive and we are handicapped because of the cap!!!!
are the players on philly, detroit and GB selfish?

We still have Bland and Parsons to sign. And none of those teams has a quarterback who wins absolutely nothing in the postseason yet demanded $60 million a year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We still have Bland and Parsons to sign. And none of those teams has a quarterback who wins absolutely nothing in the postseason yet demanded $60 million a year.

ok, now you are arguing another topic.....I could do the exact same thing for the other teams and who they have to sign.
point was clear, we are not unique and no worse than anybody else.

and the argument is that Dak's contract is stopping us from being able to sign anybody else to make this team better (I mean wouldn't a DT be a nice addition or a nice saftey).
now his ability/inability another argument, but the contract is not the issue here.

and in regards to demands....he could have demanded 80M, doesn't mean jerry has to pay. its a negotiation. you ask high, they go low and if you can't meet in the middle you leave.
Jerry screwed himself, yet again for the 3rd time in Dak negotiations, with leaving himself ZERO qbs under contract for 2025, dragged it to the last hour, literally and then signed. He had all off season to make a decision and move forward, yet he didn't. I don't blame Dak, or his agent. if it was me, I would ask for as much as I could get. because 5M is not the difference between this team being successful or total failure. the GM is.

 

[J_Allen]

the grass is greener elsewhere because they are better run organizations. cowboys had 23M on the cap this year, yet they chose Zeke over Henry or Barkley.
Philly has 6 top 5 positional contracts on their team. yet here we are. they are competing and are contenders. btw, so does Detroit. so how is they are able to keep the players they want and we have become crippled by one contract. which is only 5M more than their QBs. 5M crippled and handicapped the cowboys.... Philly signed hurts to 53M contract and was able to sign Barkley who crossed 2000 yards this season (in 16 games). we went and got Zeke!!!! Philly handed Brown a very nice large contract. we gave CD a contract and are just frozen in cap space!!

who runs the organization matters more than contracts crippling a team.

I agree completely with your last point. My problem is I don't think Dak should have been resigned. Even if he got paid 15 million per year, we still wouldn't win. If a QB turns the ball over as much as he does, stalls out drives, and doesn't score touchdowns in the red zone, the team is going to lose.

if you look across NFL, that's pretty much every team. but you are measuring and comparing cowboys in a vaccum.

Philly's top 6 contracts are 193M average.
Detroit top 6 contract are 170M average.
GB top 6 contracts are 155M average


Cowboys top 6 contract are 167M average.

so how is those teams are competitive and we are handicapped because of the cap!!!!
are the players on philly, detroit and GB selfish?. I didn't realize those numbers so I appreciate you bringing them to my attention.

The root of all of our problems is Jerry and I didn't realize those contract numbers. Where did you find that information?

 

[atlantacowboy]

It’s 100% a moral imperative. It’s ingrained innately in the careers of professional athletes to win titles. That’s the goal and it’s a moral imperative because they are getting paid to achieve that goal. So minimally they have to parse out the best way to win a title. It’s not just about money. I’m a firefighter. I have a moral imperative to accomplish the goals of my job and should strive to do so whether or not I actually pull the baby out of the burning building or not.

Ramirez with the Guardians.

Any other questions?

Man, don't even compare the heroic work you do and its moral imperative to guys that entertain us playing a game. Sure they want to win, but in this modern era of football, the money is so big that it washes out any moral imperatives to do anything else. Otherwise, you wouldn't see free agents jumping to bad teams. You wouldn't see Dak maximizing his big day to the detriment of the rest of the team. Dak cared more about the "brotherhood" of NFL QBs and what he owed them than the Dallas Cowboys. All they really care about is money. Fans care about winning way more.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The man who offered Dak his current contract is the man with the responsibility to build a competitive roster. Jerry Jones is purportedly a brilliant business man. He would not have offered Dak $60 million AAV if he thought it would prohibit him from putting together a team that can compete for a Super Bowl. He just hasn’t managed to do it in quite some time. Cowboys fans will just have to be patient and trust Jerry knows what he’s doing.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Nonsense to compare the two.
This is insulting to fans that they would buy into this carp.

One has talent i.e. Purdy.
The other is irrelevent, as Dak.

 

[CowboyoWales]

the only viable solution is to draft a QB high in the draft which Jerry doesn't do. or he wants to pick Manziel because he is thinking how many Jersey's he can sell. his other top choice was Lynch, which we all know how he turned out.

There are many lesser QB's that have made Championship games, even ones that weren't taken in first round.
It's the old perspective that a rookie or lesser QB can thrive in a good team eg 2016.

 

[CowboyFrog]

What does this matter..again they dont have JJ as a GM, the 2 situations are far from =, before you dive too deep would you rather have the niners GM or Jerry because anything after that is just ripples on the pond made by the GM....Purdy at 60 mill might be fine on a roster ran by a competent GM...any QB paid in Dallas is going to find a bad ending becaus this team is ran by an idiot.....

 

[CowboyoWales]

Philly's top 6 contracts are 193M average.
Detroit top 6 contract are 170M average.
GB top 6 contracts are 155M average


Cowboys top 6 contract are 167M average.

so how is those teams are competitive and we are handicapped because of the cap!!!!
are the players on philly, detroit and GB selfish?

Years, spread of CAP, Guaranteed Money, flexibility?? It's like your obsession with the carry-over CAP, this year was a soft reset and because of Dak's 2024 performance and injury then 2025 will be similar
Whichever way you deal it, Jerry's out of his depth and the number 1 existing example is that Dak deal.....throwing contracts, not on projected abilities, but on: commerciality, the past and an inability to do anything other than 'rinse and repeat'.
Jerry must have thought he was able to build a roster, ......well he just may not of thought that Dak would fall off a cliff in 2024. As soon as the All-In attitude to 2023 (like it or not, that's as close Jerry's going to get to All-In) then Dak reverted back to closer to norm.
We aren't as different as you may think. It's just I can see Dak as part of the problems created by Jerry.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree completely with your last point. My problem is I don't think Dak should have been resigned. Even if he got paid 15 million per year, we still wouldn't win. If a QB turns the ball over as much as he does, stalls out drives, and doesn't score touchdowns in the red zone, the team is going to lose.

The root of all of our problems is Jerry and I didn't realize those contract numbers. Where did you find that information?

ok, then people can debate about that and there are points and counter points.

regarding the turnovers, he had high turn over rate this year, but that's after the contract. last year he had 9 interceptions. the year before, it was 15, highest in his career. prior he was at 10 or below each year.

so if you are saying turnovers is the only reason, then are you just looking at this year?

I think when we are forced to be a passing team only, often having to play from behind, then he tends to feel the pressure, starts to force the ball and then turnovers come. he plays much better and can actually win you some games if you have a more balanced offense.

now, did I want us to move on from Dak? yes. I think it was just time to do that, not just for cowboys, but also for Dak. he is not going to win anything in Dallas, as a matter of fact, nobody is going to win anything in dallas, with Jerry in charge.

the contract numbers are on https://www.spotrac.com/nfl

 

[Johannes44]

What does this matter..again they dont have JJ as a GM, the 2 situations are far from =, before you dive too deep would you rather have the niners GM or Jerry because anything after that is just ripples on the pond made by the GM....Purdy at 60 mill might be fine on a roster ran by a competent GM...any QB paid in Dallas is going to find a bad ending becaus this team is ran by an idiot.....

1. No he won't. Anyone with functional eyesight can see that the 49-ers as a team are not reliant on their QB but rather their skill players executing. Yes, a QB helps but Purdy is no better or worse than some of the others that have held the position in the last decade.
2. Will be very surprised if they actually sign him. It is more likely that they either let him walk or trade him and go with the cheaper option while bolestering their defense and offensive skill players. Why hand someone that kind of money when there won't be any material difference in play? Purdy struggles with the current talent he has around him so he certainly isn't going to be better when they pay him more and have to reduce the talent around him because they can't afford them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There are many lesser QB's that have made Championship games, even ones that weren't taken in first round.
It's the old perspective that a rookie or lesser QB can thrive in a good team eg 2016.

I don't think any rookie QB has ever made the championship game. defintely nobody is made the superbowl. Rookies are for the future of a team.

and lesser QBs make superbowls, by having a very strong team around them. the team has to excel and be one of top teams in several other areas. like running game, defense and have strong players on offense to support this lesser player. like Dilfer, Foles, Hostetler, Purdy Hurts etc. and strong strong coachig.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Years, spread of CAP, Guaranteed Money, flexibility?? It's like your obsession with the carry-over CAP, this year was a soft reset and because of Dak's 2024 performance and injury then 2025 will be similar
Whichever way you deal it, Jerry's out of his depth and the number 1 existing example is that Dak deal.....throwing contracts, not on projected abilities, but on: commerciality, the past and an inability to do anything other than 'rinse and repeat'.
Jerry must have thought he was able to build a roster, ......well he just may not of thought that Dak would fall off a cliff in 2024. As soon as the All-In attitude to 2023 (like it or not, that's as close Jerry's going to get to All-In) then Dak reverted back to closer to norm.
We aren't as different as you may think. It's just I can see Dak as part of the problems created by Jerry.

all of those taken into account. every team does it. detroit does it. philly does it, and so on and so forth. their contracts are not much different than cowboys contracts or generally the ones in the league.
they have to manipulate the cap year to year and manage year to year and manage different contract values over different years and so on.
so I don't buy into Jerry's and Stephen's BS....

if you are complaining because of two cocntracts, then you are out of your depth, you are incompetent or you are just lying trying to fool people and I think its more of the latter than the former. they have no intention but to maximize profits. they target average, casual and fringe fans. not die hard fans that comprise a much smaller portion of the fanbase.

and I agree, fully Jerry signs player based on commerciality, based on ROI, based on profitability. he wants to keep cowboys close enough to keep them relevant. I think if he really had championships as his top priority, he would have made different moves. can we win with Dak? not if Dak has to carry the team. and that statement goes for 29 starting QBs in the league. so get the right team, right help and actually try and make a run. lesser QBs have done it. have had the right team, right coaching and made it. we are not that team. jerry is not that type of GM.

everyone makes it about Dak all the time. its not just about Dak. its about this team. nobody could have won with this team.
I mean look at KC, they did not score over 30 points once this season. in fact they scored 30 points only twice in 16 games.. and that's with Mahomes at the helm. but they are 15-1. their offense is 11th in the league. but their defense is second in the league and 2nd in scoring against. they paid Jones 31M Average. they understood importance of building the right defense. and value of the defense. Jones' look at how many Jersey's this player or that player can sell.

 

[Hadenough]

Well in regards to fans they are gonna complain regardless. They complained when Dak made 500k and they will complain later. They complain about Micah on his rookie deal. That’s gonna happen. As far as teammates goes I think they understand…they know it’s a business. Because they know when it’s their turn they gonna get every coin they can get. It may not be in Dallas but like I said earlier it’s not like Dallas is some great organization to play for. We are at the point now to where these guys haven’t even been alive long enough to remember the 90s Cowboys.

I disagree! As far as teammates go I think giving Dak that massive contract has torn up the locker room. Every player on the team sees Dak choking and not one of these guys goes over to him on the sidelines. Coaches don't even go over with a tablet because they know when he gets the deer in the headlights look he's done.

 

[CowboyoWales]

all of those taken into account. every team does it. detroit does it. philly does it, and so on and so forth. their contracts are not much different than cowboys contracts or generally the ones in the league.
they have to manipulate the cap year to year and manage year to year and manage different contract values over different years and so on.
so I don't buy into Jerry's and Stephen's BS....

if you are complaining because of two cocntracts, then you are out of your depth, you are incompetent or you are just lying trying to fool people and I think its more of the latter than the former. they have no intention but to maximize profits. they target average, casual and fringe fans. not die hard fans that comprise a much smaller portion of the fanbase.

and I agree, fully Jerry signs player based on commerciality, based on ROI, based on profitability. he wants to keep cowboys close enough to keep them relevant. I think if he really had championships as his top priority, he would have made different moves. can we win with Dak? not if Dak has to carry the team. and that statement goes for 29 starting QBs in the league. so get the right team, right help and actually try and make a run. lesser QBs have done it. have had the right team, right coaching and made it. we are not that team. jerry is not that type of GM.

everyone makes it about Dak all the time. its not just about Dak. its about this team. nobody could have won with this team.
I mean look at KC, they did not score over 30 points once this season. in fact they scored 30 points only twice in 16 games.. and that's with Mahomes at the helm. but they are 15-1. their offense is 11th in the league. but their defense is second in the league and 2nd in scoring against. they paid Jones 31M Average. they understood importance of building the right defense. and value of the defense. Jones' look at how many Jersey's this player or that player can sell.

Whilst Dak is taking 17%+ of the CAP and playing the position the does, then he takes the corresponding responsibility. The biggest differences with Mahomes, is that as well as the Defense Dak also needs: protection of the O-Line, running game and receiving corp.

As for 'manipulating the Cap', of course we do.....how do you think we paid for that 2023 roster, we put it on the credit card?

 

[CowboyoWales]

I don't think any rookie QB has ever made the championship game. defintely nobody is made the superbowl. Rookies are for the future of a team.

and lesser QBs make superbowls, by having a very strong team around them. the team has to excel and be one of top teams in several other areas. like running game, defense and have strong players on offense to support this lesser player. like Dilfer, Foles, Hostetler, Purdy Hurts etc. and strong strong coachig.

.....exactly. Then if/when you pay your QB you have to sacrifice other areas. You cant apportion the blame on the JAG, when the QB is failing (as he did this year.

Rookie Deals, not necessarily in yr1.

 

[Hadenough]

I don't think any rookie QB has ever made the championship game. defintely nobody is made the superbowl. Rookies are for the future of a team.

and lesser QBs make superbowls, by having a very strong team around them. the team has to excel and be one of top teams in several other areas. like running game, defense and have strong players on offense to support this lesser player. like Dilfer, Foles, Hostetler, Purdy Hurts etc. and strong strong coachig.

Just stop! We've seen Dak for many years and he just isn't that good against good teams. He's good front runner against bad teams but a little sticky coverage and he won't release the ball into tight windows over the middle. He holds the ball too long. Lacks arm strength and accuracy. Dak has shown nothing to lead me or many other people to believe he can get the job done.

 

[MyFairLady]

We gotta stop comparing Dak to QBs who actually play in championship games and super bowls.

 

[CWR]

We still have Bland and Parsons to sign. And none of those teams has a quarterback who wins absolutely nothing in the postseason yet demanded $60 million a year.

We aren't unique talent wise. Look at what Philly has to pay for now and into the future.

We just use our future signings as an excuse because "we draft so well."

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/philadelphia-eagles