Colin Cowherd: Comparing Purdy's situation to Dak

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's based on subjective data. We have a salary cap and he takes a large portion of it, leaving less money to everyone else. That affects the entire organization from top to bottom. He has no class.

What on earth is your definition of class? Are you confusing it with greed?

 

[GINeric]

It took more than one to help lose but Daks failure to perform was a major factor, penalties that’s on MM and Jerry and the no accountability atmosphere in Dallas. The penalties hurt but interceptions and bone head plays hurt more. Your SB reference, That’s a straw man argument and you fully understand that. Dak’s teams were good enough to advance as for Folks and Dilfer they played well enough to get it done and nobody on the planet thinks they are better than Kelly or Marino.

Well if we keep placing a team's playoff success on the quarterback that same energy has to go to ALL quarterbacks.

Dak melted in the playoffs. Purdy played in a Superbowl. So people are trying to say Purdy is better because of where the 49ers went.

So if we're judging playoff success based on the quarterbacks as people were previously doing, then there's no "strawman". You're logic says that Foles and Dilfer are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

The ultimate post season game is the Superbowl. Yes Purdy played in a Superbowl and Dak hasn't. This was a point previously made, I guess to prove that Purdy was better than Dak. I have no argument. So let's keep that same energy for ALL quarterbacks.

Foles and Dilfer won the ultimate post season game called the Superbowl. Marino and Kelly didn't. So if you are saying Purdy is better than Dak because he played in a Superbowl, then you have to say Dilfer and Foles are better than Marino and Kelly because they won Superbowls and Marino and Kelly couldn't.

Cant keep moving goal posts.

 

[Chasing6]

Based on the salary cap and the important players we need to sign and even some of the lesser players who would like to stay here but can't now, it absolutely points to intelligence and class.

Think of a pie being split between 54 people and one person takes 1/3 of it. I think most of us would call that guy a dirtbag.

It points to Jerry's intelligence and class. Jerry chose to back himself in a corner and wait until the last moment and over pay him.

This is 100% on Jerry.

 

[Kingofholland]

It’s a great test as to whether or not the league is waking up to the insanity of paying tier 2 and 3 QBs absurdly out of whack cap crushing contracts.

Imagine if every starting PF/C wanted to be paid what Joker is paid just because they are a starting PF/C. I know it’s not a 1:1 comparison because QB is arguably the single most important position in all of sports, but the principle remains the same.

Maybe the league considers positional caps if they can get it through the NFLPA. Or a player can't count more than x% of the total teams cap. The NFLPA may go for that as the money still would get allocated just not to 1 player.

However, you're right at some point teams have to consider if their tier 2, 3 QB is really a must re-sign.

 

[Hadenough]

Yep, they don't respect him and will NOT play for him.
Our players are not stupid after all these years they have grown tired of carrying the Mr. 240 million $ man.
First spotting of his Deer in the Headlight look the defense stops caring.
A prime example was the 1st half of the GB playoff loss no way could Dak turn that game into an offensive shoot-out just doesn't have the talent for it.
P.S. Does Anyone remember the last shoot-out game we've ever had where both teams scored over 30 points the past 9 seasons?
Not a game where we are down 20+ and Dak does his Garbage 4th Q thing.
Anyone?????????????

Have you ever noticed when he gets the deer in the headlights look he is sitting on the bench all by himself. Not even a coach over there with a tablet explaining what's wrong. Everyone knows any efforts to fight thru this are wasted and the team has lost. I don't blame them! How are you going to tell Dak wake the hell up when his mind is fogged up and he feels all that pressure. He goes from a regular season B rated QB to a 3rd string rookie who looks like he has no business being in the field. Why Jerry couldn't see that before paying him just baffles me. Everybody could see it!

 

[CowboyoWales]

Well if we keep placing a team's playoff success on the quarterback that same energy has to go to ALL quarterbacks.

Dak melted in the playoffs. Purdy played in a Superbowl. So people are trying to say Purdy is better because of where the 49ers went.

So if we're judging playoff success based on the quarterbacks as people were previously doing, then there's no "strawman". You're logic says that Foles and Dilfer are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

The ultimate post season game is the Superbowl. Yes Purdy played in a Superbowl and Dak hasn't. This was a point previously made, I guess to prove that Purdy was better than Dak. I have no argument. So let's keep that same energy for ALL quarterbacks.

Foles and Dilfer won the ultimate post season game called the Superbowl. Marino and Kelly didn't. So if you are saying Purdy is better than Dak because he played in a Superbowl, then you have to say Dilfer and Foles are better than Marino and Kelly because they won Superbowls and Marino and Kelly couldn't.

Cant keep moving goal posts.

It's not necessarily the 'play-off' run, it's more down to the optic of taking their chances, against the best....when it matters (usually late, or when trailing).
Most every winning QB has to orchestrate a game winning 4th Q drive and this is the area in which Dak doesn't seem able to step up.

 

[J_Allen]

If your manager/supervisor said "J_Allen, I know the experience and work or service you've done is commensurate to the going rate increase. However, I can't give you that or want you to understand we will not give you a raise, because we have to take care of Becky, Ralph and Lou Ann.....................". I think I'd say J_Allen doesn't have class. He is selfish too. Me, on the other hand...... I'd say...."What does Becky, Ralph, and Lou Ann have to do with my worth? I'm classless.

The difference is there's a salary cap in nfl. There's not one at any other job. And if they have a set budget for pay increases and you take 1/3 of it and leave the rest for your coworkers, yes I would say that's greedy.

 

[J_Allen]

What on earth is your definition of class? Are you confusing it with greed?

Class also involves how your actions affect others.

 

[Aven8]

The kid shares an apartment with other players. He’s due

 

[Cmac]

The difference is there's a salary cap in nfl. There's not one at any other job. And if they have a set budget for pay increases and you take 1/3 of it and leave the rest for your coworkers, yes I would say that's greedy.

You're missing the point, but that's ok. As for salary cap, his contract and Cee Dee is not as roster stricken as you want to believe. And both contracts were after the FA market, Jerry lied to YOU early and you're blaming Dak. No problem.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Class also involves how your actions affect others.

His actions don’t lol. It’s a billion dollar industry. As a matter of fact…..he took 60 million and as a result Dorance Armstrong, Biadiz, Fowler and Stephen Gilmore got paid more and are on playoff teams lol. They all do interviews about how the grass is greener elsewhere so it doesn’t seem his actions negatively affected others. It was all positive.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You're missing the point, but that's ok. As for salary cap, his contract and Cee Dee is not as roster stricken as you want to believe. And both contracts were after the FA market, Jerry lied to YOU early and you're blaming Dak. No problem.

What he’s not realizing is that just because you can’t sign here doesn’t mean your career is over. Plenty of money around the whole league. It’s the weirdest take I’ve ever seen someone have on this site lol.

 

[J_Allen]

His actions don’t lol. It’s a billion dollar industry. As a matter of fact…..he took 60 million and as a result Dorance Armstrong, Biadiz, Fowler and Stephen Gilmore got paid more and are on playoff teams lol. They all do interviews about how the grass is greener elsewhere so it doesn’t seem his actions negatively affected others. It was all positive.

It wasn't positive for the team and of course they're going to say the grass is greener when we made no attempt to resign them.

What he’s not realizing is that just because you can’t sign here doesn’t mean your career is over. Plenty of money around the whole league. It’s the weirdest take I’ve ever seen someone have on this site lol.

I realize their career is not over but perhaps they wanted to stay here? I know Gilmore did.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think Dak should have taken a more team friendly contract like Brady always did.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It wasn't positive for the team and of course they're going to say the grass is greener when we made no attempt to resign them.


I realize their career is not over but perhaps they wanted to stay here? I know Gilmore did.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think Dak should have taken a more team friendly contract like Brady always did.

So initially you painted it as it was selfish for the players….now it’s selfish for the team lol. Even though them leaving gave guys like Chauncey Gholston a shot to play, gave Rico Dowdle a shot to play….gave guys like Oruwariye a shot.

That’s how the NFL works lol.

But listen to yourself. You accuse Dsk of being selfish but not a guy like Gilmore who could’ve took less to be here.

But then there’s also the fact the Cowboys could’ve kept Gilmore if they signed Lamb and Dak sooner.

I understand the notion he should take less. But Pats had good will with Brady because they spent their money wisely. Cowboys have shown they don’t spend money to improve the team. They prove they only over pay and over value their own players.

Daks contract isn’t why Henry isn’t here. Your owner said Zeke isn’t far off from Henry. Money isn’t the issue incompetence is.

We will just agree to disagree though. Enjoyed the back and forth.

 

[Cmac]

What he’s not realizing is that just because you can’t sign here doesn’t mean your career is over. Plenty of money around the whole league. It’s the weirdest take I’ve ever seen someone have on this site lol.

TheMarathonContinues..........I'm glad they aren't on the board or management for MY raise. Seems like many want to make suggestions about someone else's money. Jerry had a choice and leverage too. Dak and his agent witnessed more than any of us.....the roster formulation. I'm thinking it's just continued playoff failure frustration that's clouding logic, and the need for a Fall Guy.

 

[SlammedZero]

B Quarterback? Wasn't Purdy being stroked as the next coming of Tom Brady a season or two ago?

 

[shabazz]

Depends. If I’m Brady I can justify taking a pay cut. If I’m Dak? Why would I take a pay cut? So you can save the money? Because I know you aren’t going to spend it in free agency or trading. You didn’t do it when he made 500k a year why would you do it?

In Jerry's case, it's been proven true that he won't use hometown discount contracts to use in signing real FAs.....but I'd be more concerned how it looks to my teammates and fans if I've already broken the bank with big contracts and franchise tags.

I can see both sides of the coin

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In Jerry's case, it's been proven true that he won't use hometown discount contracts to use in signing real FAs.....but I'd be more concerned how it looks to my teammates and fans if I've already broken the bank with big contracts and franchise tags.

I can see both sides of the coin

Well in regards to fans they are gonna complain regardless. They complained when Dak made 500k and they will complain later. They complain about Micah on his rookie deal. That’s gonna happen. As far as teammates goes I think they understand…they know it’s a business. Because they know when it’s their turn they gonna get every coin they can get. It may not be in Dallas but like I said earlier it’s not like Dallas is some great organization to play for. We are at the point now to where these guys haven’t even been alive long enough to remember the 90s Cowboys.

 

[Bullflop]

Dak needs his mom to keep his head straight, but she's unfortunately gone.
When he tries to say good things, he makes a fool of himself, instead.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Maybe the league considers positional caps if they can get it through the NFLPA. Or a player can't count more than x% of the total teams cap. The NFLPA may go for that as the money still would get allocated just not to 1 player.

However, you're right at some point teams have to consider if their tier 2, 3 QB is really a must re-sign.

that's going to be a dog fight for the NFLPA within their own ranks. if they put a cap on position salaries, any type of cap, then the position players may fight and argue back. so the players union has to approve that. it may start with QB, then who is next? WR? DEs?

the owners don't care. there is a cap floor spend and cap max they have to manage against, and they don't give a darn who gets paid. the market will set the price and they have a range to stay within. they may not be interested at all in position caps, because it creates further complexity for them.

I think the cap works as it is. smart teams are able to put toghether a good team, play in championships and be lucky enough to winit. every year there is two teams in superbowl. 4 teams in league championship games, etc.

and the market is driven by supply and demand. there is one mahomes, one burrows, with Allen a close third, then there is 29 others.

some teams are smarter than others. (philly, Detroit). some aren't so smart (Cowboys).